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Author Topic: The correct build of Hulk  (Read 7012 times)
walking dude
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« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2003, 05:33:24 pm »

Tendrills is a much much better deck than rector trix.  I'm not quite  ready to go for a radical redo of tog yet. I'm still working on boards, I'm willing to devote up to 4 slots, and I have 12 ideas that currently need to be tested in those spots, so I'll be testing a while. If that doesn't work I think I'd just play urphid rather than redo tog. If you evolve a deck too far away from its base it gets weak.
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PucktheCat
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« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2003, 06:58:26 pm »

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Quote Tendrills is a much much better deck than rector trix.  I'm not quite  ready to go for a radical redo of tog yet. I'm still working on boards, I'm willing to devote up to 4 slots, and I have 12 ideas that currently need to be tested in those spots, so I'll be testing a while. If that doesn't work I think I'd just play urphid rather than redo tog. If you evolve a deck too far away from its base it gets weak.

While I agree in principal that making to many changes to a deck can weaken the inherent strengths that made it good in the first place I am not so sure that this is true of Tog decks.  As I said above I think their are only around 11-12 cards that give the deck its explosive combo-like power and creature control.  Everything else is pure control, geared for a game that doesn't last all that long.  As far as the Tog's concerned a Duress and a Mana Drain are the same spell: Summon Lunch.

Pyschatog's record in other formats shows this as well.  Look at the swing from Zevatog to Probatog.

The thing that makes Tog a great creature is that it pretty much does its thing regardless of what the rest of your deck is up to, as long as you draw cards Tog will be a beast.  The only element besides Togs and card draw that plays a crucial role in the central 'combo' is the Cunning Wish > Berserk.

Leo
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Lord of the Goats
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« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2003, 12:00:42 am »

hehe.... wastelands are so huge it's not even funny. after today i'd say that properly metagamed hulk takes about 60% from tendrils although that was only one testing session so it may be skewed but i tried to adjust for that. wastelands are good, shaman is good but i'm not sure if it's good enough, 4 duress are a must. fire/ice is also suprisingly good at buying time... i'm pretty sure i've iced more things than i've fired.

fever's on the right track with the strips although i don't like the rest of his deck.
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Dante
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« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2003, 12:31:47 pm »

Quote from: Lord of the Goats+July 25 2003,00:00
Quote (Lord of the Goats @ July 25 2003,00:00)hehe.... wastelands are so huge it's not even funny. after today i'd say that properly metagamed hulk takes about 60% from tendrils although that was only one testing session so it may be skewed but i tried to adjust for that. wastelands are good, shaman is good but i'm not sure if it's good enough, 4 duress are a must. fire/ice is also suprisingly good at buying time... i'm pretty sure i've iced more things than i've fired.

fever's on the right track with the strips although i don't like the rest of his deck.
So what mana base did you test and like?  I think we both agree that fever's needed more blue, but what did you edit for wastes?

Say a typical mana base was similar to

6 lotus-mox
5 -6 fetch
3-4 underground
3 volcanic
2 trop
2 islands
1 strip
1 loa
(24 cards)

if you wanted to add wastes, 1 waste = 25th mana source, where do the 2 others come from, the two islands?

Dante
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Lord of the Goats
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« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2003, 01:17:25 pm »

Quote from: Dante+July 25 2003,10:31
Quote (Dante @ July 25 2003,10:31)So what mana base did you test and like?  I think we both agree that fever's needed more blue, but what did you edit for wastes?

Say a typical mana base was similar to

6 lotus-mox
5 -6 fetch
3-4 underground
3 volcanic
2 trop
2 islands
1 strip
1 loa
(24 cards)

if you wanted to add wastes, 1 waste = 25th mana source, where do the 2 others come from, the two islands?

Dante
i cut the pearl and 1 basic island to fit them in. that leaves me with 15 blue sources+sapphire and lotus... which is a bit tight but certianly better than 13 sources including sappire.

i may also cut the second island for the 4th sea (i run 6 fetch 3 sea now) but that's tough against bloodmoon.
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Azhrei
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« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2003, 10:56:25 pm »

Expect an updated list for Hulk and a primer immediately following GenCon this weekend.
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