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« on: September 24, 2003, 02:06:27 am »

What makes a magic player good?

     When I ask myself this question, the things that seem the most obvious are card choices.  Yes, there are a lot of things that factor into a successful player, but you don't win a knife fight with a pillow.  A players abilities to identify the best cards and then play them are the key to every format.
     In limited it's obvious.  You play the good cards and win.  In Constructed, I wonder why people catch so much heat when playing with obviously overpowered decks.  Gro-a-tog is the perfect example.
     I saw tons of pepole have a negative attitude towards Gush.  I personally think, anyone playing a deck with cards that go on to be restricted clearly had the right idea.  I don't get angry if I get stomped by some insane deck, I show the person some respect.  I'll even show some respect right now to all the people playing with Intuition and Burning Wish.  They are amazing cards, abuse the hell out of them while you can.  That is, after all, what makes magic so different from other games.
     The person with the best deck of cards has the advantage.  Even if they restrict every card you want, there will still be a very sick deck.  People will still be complaining and getting all emotional because their crappy deck doesn't win.
     So the question remains.  Why complain about good decks instead of playing one?  Well, I know I see things different than most, so I hope to hear how everyone else feels on this.

In closing I say, "bring it on."  You bring your broken pile, I'll bring mine.  We'll butt heads and in the end whoever is better on that day wins.  

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Eric
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Mon, Goblin Chief
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2003, 07:41:30 am »

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Quote Gro-a-tog is the perfect example.
   I saw tons of pepole have a negative attitude towards Gush.  I personally think, anyone playing a deck with cards that go on to be restricted clearly had the right idea.  I don't get angry if I get stomped by some insane deck, I show the person some respect
Well, the respect wears down after playing against net-decked GAT for the x-th time.
I was one of them, hating Gush in the end. When I first saw the deck, I loved it. I looked crazy and strong -> icredibly cool.
After playing against it often enough, I just hated Gush. GAT was unnerving. So my answer is: Playing broken cards is tech, copying topdecklists from the net en masse makes people hate the card, which makes the deck tick.

Another reason is disliking a card for a something special. Blood Moon does that to me, as I hate being randomly locked out of the game.\n\n

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2003, 07:46:16 am »

Oh, then I guess you're just gonna looovvveeee the Chalice eh Mon?

I agree with what you said, it's exactly true.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2003, 10:04:54 am »

Personally, it wasn't how GOOD the deck was that was annoying, it was just too good in the hands of just anyone. Unfortunately, there will always be popular dominant decks that are easy to play in type 1. It's something we just have to accept, but it's annoying to not have a chance to outplay an inferior player. Bottom Line: I didn't get angry if GAT rolled me, but noone got my respect for Gushing 5 times. It did, however make the victories sweeter since I was the underdog statistically.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2003, 11:55:42 am »

Quote from: ELD+Sep. 24 2003,00:06
Quote (ELD @ Sep. 24 2003,00:06)Even if they restrict every card you want, there will still be a very sick deck.  People will still be complaining and getting all emotional because their crappy deck doesn't win.
     So the question remains.  Why complain about good decks instead of playing one?  Well, I know I see things different than most, so I hope to hear how everyone else feels on this.
A-Fucking-Men.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2003, 02:09:12 pm »

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Quote   So the question remains.  Why complain about good decks instead of playing one?  Well, I know I see things different than most, so I hope to hear how everyone else feels on this.

I guess my take on the situation is this:

Many players who play type 1 play it because they are reminiscent of the "old" days where "sedge troll control" was actually a deck. People play non-tier-1 decks because they are trying to find that niche in type 1 that identifies most with what they knew type 1 to be back in the beginning when they first started to play magic.

Another factor may of why people don't play the most competative/dominant deck is because they have some issues about jumping on a bangwagon once it has gotten started.

"If I wasn't there in the beginning, then I won't be there at all."

From what I gather about type 1, it is a mix of a few groups of people:

1. Truely competative players that build and play the best decks every time.
2. Casual players that play with budget decks because of the steps required to get power.
3. Casual/competative players who have all the cards but play whatever deck they want to because the deck is different, seems cool, or are trying to experient to find the next GAT.dec.

For people that fall into category 2, I think that they have a valid point at arguing about gush being cheap. However, that is the way the world turns. Not everyone can own a set of power because there aren't enough sets to go around. A teenager in high school who doesn't work would have a tough time getting that playset of workshops, moxes, et al.

One of the main questions that I have is exactly how much of the type-1 -OR- prospective type-1 community fall into category 2?
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2003, 02:59:55 pm »

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Quote Many players who play type 1 play it because they are reminiscent of the "old" days where "sedge troll control" was actually a deck.

from what I hear ICT is still tier 1... it's only bad matchups are the mirror and island.dec


But seriously... Gush was annoying... I don't think that many competitive players hated the card so much as they were sick of seeing really shitty players win because they copied a broken list.\n\n

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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2003, 06:12:43 pm »

I concur with Eastman and Zherbus.   It was only bad when a player who never worked, tested, or tried to play beat another who put in the blood, sweat, and tears to be better but decided to play something else.  Then the guy goes and shoves it his opponent's face for losing cause they did alot and he/she did nothing but copy a list.  That's just utter garbage.  

I will not exclude however that there are just naturally talented players out there who don't have to work as hard,  but that is a different case.
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