Last Minute Predictions... Tomorrows BnR List

[MolotDET]

As tomorrow is the new BnR announcement.  And everyone who is anyone has had something to say about this so, what is your prediction?

A few notes:

1)  This thread will be closed when I wake up tomorrow.

2)  Predictions only, I don't want anyone to reply to what anyone else said.

3)  Flaming/Spamming will not be tolerated (anyone Flaming/Spaming will get a warning).

4)  One reply per person, if you wish to change your prediction, please edit your post.

     Now that that is out of the way.  I have a sinking feeling that nothing will be banned or restricted but several things will be added to the watch list.
     Not that I think this is what should happen, but what I predict will happen.

Mo.

[BeeArr]

I think Chrome mox and spoils get restricted. That is all. No bannings. Also.... well no also.

[Black Explosion]

For type 1:
Restricted - Spoils
Restricted - Chrome mox

And then either...

Restricted - LED

OR

Banned - Will

I would vasty prefer will getting banned, but I have a feeling that they will wait until the will situation is even worse before finally axing it.\n\n

[IllusionX]

Everything - Unbanned.
Everything - Restricted.
Welcome to Highlander kiddos.

[Dr. Sylvan]

I predict:

Type 1:
Lion's Eye Diamond is restricted.
Spoils of the Vault is restricted.
Chrome Mox is restricted.

Type 1.5:
LED is banned.
SotV is banned.
Chrome Mox is banned.

Type 1.x:
Tinker is banned.
Grim Monolith is banned.
Goblin Recruiter is banned.
Hermit Druid is banned.
Mind's Desire is banned.
Chrome Mox is banned.

I also predict that their explanations will be vague statements about fast mana and tutoring.

[wuaffiliate]

Banned: nothing
Restricted: nothing

[Smmenen]

Speaking solely about type one:

I think its very hard to accurately predict what's going to be restricted.  One reason is that we haven't had a deck dominating that comes close to the level of domination of GAT and BBS before that that triggered previous restrictions.  I beleive that Long should be dominating and so have publicly called for LED to be restricted -  but I don't think that should happen if the results don't reflect it.  

I think the card that is most likely to be restricted is Mox Chrome - although that is simply based upon what we know about moxen in type one.  It could very well deserve resriction, but our format is so broken right now that a 4 Chrome Mox deck isn't as good as the alternatives...for what that says about the situation.

I do not think Workshop or Spoils will get resricted for reasons I've stated time and again.  Remember that the DCI is very conservative and cautious when it comes to type one.  If there is a card that has been burning up the metagame (although clearly not dominating at no more than 2-3 in any given top 8) is Dragon which would suggest Bazaar.  So based upon empirical evidence, Bazaar is most worthy...but that just suggests that the format isn't probably going to have any restrictions.

I honestly was trying to think: What really SHOULD be restricted based upon my knowledge - but not based upon what probably will happen.

I think the answer to that is Restrict LED and Chrome Mox.  I think Chrome Mox IS broken, but the format is just too good to really abuse it at the moment.  You know my opinion on LED.

Beyond that, once you start restricting other cards, there are SERIOUS consequences that go beyond killing a stupid combo deck that shoudn't exist.  Spoils, Dark Ritual, Workshop, and Bazaar are all necessary components of the Type One metagame.  

Stephen Menendian\n\n

[jntemp777]

Banned: nothing
Restricted: nothing

I don't think Wizards gives a damn about Type 1.  If they did then:

Banned: nothing
Restricted: a whole bunch of stuff
New rule: restriction on # of restricted cards

[Moxlotus]

probably restrict:

chrome mox
spoils of the vault

possibly:
LED

[Phantom Tape Worm]

Radio psychic.  Radio psychic.
If they didn't restrict rector last time around, they ain't gonna touch anything this time around.  Nothing will get restricted in type 1.

[Tristal]

Chrome Mox and LED get smacked in T1.

Extended says goodbye to Tinker, and Mana Severance.

Yes, Mana Severance.  Not that it's broken by ANY means, but the DCI sure does have a habit of banning the wrong cards (See Dark Ritual, Frantic Search) that power combo engines.

[SummenSaugen]

Restricted:

Spoils of the Vault
Though it isn't dominating Type 1 right now (not a key feature of any of the top decks) it can be very broken in 1.5, as I'm led to believe PTW's 1.5 dragon can be.

Other than that, there aren't any cards that warrant being touched, however, Chrome Mox might get hit for its effects (if any) in 1.5, or just out of principle.  Both I doubt.  Long isn't dominating so Burning Wish and LED should be safe, but since when Long does actually win it's in a very masturbatory way, Wizards might hit LED anyway to promote player interaction.

As far as extended, I don't play it, but I thought they should have banned Tinker in that format ages ago.

[IvoryGargoyle]

Type 1:

Restrict:
LED
Chrome Mox

Banned: Nada.

Extended:

Banned:
Tinker
Goblin Recruiter
Grim Monolith
Chrome Mox
Possibly Ancient Tomb

Nothing from Angry Hermit needs to go because of the fact that its combo is really fragile and easy to disrupt. There's nothing wrong with Mana Severance/Goblin Charbelcher as long as Tinker and Grim Monolith go.

[CrazyCarl]

I'd like to see LED and Workshop go(yes i'm a Team Mean Deck member).

I doubt anything will go.

And will you all stop harping about Chrome Mox?  The card is awful :<

I doubt Spoils will go because, while its good, the risk you take I think is enough to let it stay around.

[shlnmnk]

"IF" anything does end up being restricted, my guess puts lions eye highest on the list.

though the dci does have a habit of doing things that are a little random.

[Bastian]

I definitly hope Chrome Mox doesn't go. People whine so much about it but the card hasn't proved itself yet... The moment it's abused then start asking for its restriction. Same thing for spoils...

Besides, with me moving to 1.5, I'd really like for them NOT to be restricted in type 1!

Probably they'll mess up again as they always do...

1.x
Tinker
Grim Monolith
Goblin Recruiter

type 1
heck, as long as they keep chrome mox and spoils out I'll be more than satisfied.
I think they might go for Mishra's Workshop.\n\n

[spevack]

Type 1:
Restrict Chrome Mox
There will be some unrestrictions of non-played cards

Extended:
Ban Tinker
Ban Goblin Recruiter
Ban Mind's Desire

[kl0wn]

I predict a bunch of ignorant people will say some really stupid shit.\n\n

[TheRock]

Type 1:

Restrict - Chrome Mox
Unrestrict - Fork
Some other unrestrictions possible

Type 1.X

Ban - City of Traitors
Ban - Ancient Tomb

That's it.  You don't need to ban anything else from Extended except for possibly Voltaic Key.  You stop turn one Monolith and broken turn two plays and Tinker is fine.

[Kerzkid11]

Quote Restricted:

Spoils of the Vault
Though it isn't dominating Type 1 right now (not a key feature of any of the top decks) it can be very broken in 1.5, as I'm led to believe PTW's 1.5 dragon can be

Yes. Spoils will be Restricted on the principle of 1.5 only, I think.

[Azhrei]

Restricted:

Force of Will

Unrestricted:

Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Mox Ruby
Mox Emerald
Sol Ring
Black Lotus
Tolarian Academy
Mind's Desire

Banned:

Creatures

"The DCI has been trying unsuccessfully to keep Vintage from becoming a format dominated by combo for years. Unfortunately, since it is against our policy to ban cards in Type One, we gave up and decided to go the other route. Take your medicine and like it."

[Arex]

way to go....I didnt see lots of posts about banning restricting Workshop...that is good...I guess....Long live our favorite production line place!

[Godder]

Type 1.5 is ruined!

[Toad]

I'm surprised no one mentionned the obvious need to ban Blood Moon or Back to Basics.

Seriously, I hope nothing gets restricted. I love the format as it is.

[MoreFling]

Workshop won't get the axe. I talked to Jaap about it, and he sort of misspoke himself which led me to conclude that. Ofcourse, he tried to recover with "But I was talking about the upcoming month" ;p

Anyway, I think Led, Burning Wish, Chrome Mox will be restricted.

Maybe spoils for 1.5, but I wouldn't know.

I myself would only find it fair if Cunning Wish would be restricted too.

If they restrict Bazaar, then they will have to hit Workshop too.

[Desert Fox]

My guess is nothing will get restricted/banned this time around.

If anything, Chrome Mox will get restricted for the typical vague mana acceleration reason when, in fact, Wizards is just restricting it because it has Mox in the title.  

[rozetta]

Type 1 Restricted: Nothing new
Type 1 Banned: Nothing new.
Type 1 Unrestricted: Fork (it's a fun scepter target at best)

[Grendal]

Type 1 Restrictions
1. Spoils of the Vault
2. Chrome Mox
3. Lion's Eye Diamond
4. (Possibly) Burning Wish or all Wishes


Type 1 Bannings
1. Yawgmoth's Will or Burning Wish gets Restricted


I would like to hope that they would not restrict the Workshop, but I wouldn't be to terribly shocked if they did, although i'm not expecting it to be restricted...  at least not on this go around.

Type 2 / 1.5 / Extended
Could care less...  :-/

- Grendal

[Black_plague]

bit off topic but does anyone know what time  the list will come out .
thx
luis

[Drogo]

Chrome Mox will go, it has to based on past history.  I don't see how you can have Mox Diamond and Lotus Petal restricted and not restrict Chrome Mox.  

LED will get restricted too, which is really unfortunate.  It will be one of those drive by bannings that blasts an innocent bystander (madness) as well as the target (Long).  

Spoils I think they will will wait and see.  It is an instant speed tutor so again, based on their past explanations it should get restricted but it is so painful I think they will give it a few more months and see what happens.

No changes other than LED and Chrome Mox.

Tony