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NaClhv
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« on: July 29, 2002, 11:38:48 pm »

I'm piloting ABM (#24 on the ToC decklist), David Kaplan is piloting Dkaps sligh (#54).  I win 2-1.

Summary of the games:

Game 1:  I mulligan down to 5 cards.  Not a good way to start the ToC.  I keep this hand because I have a mox sapphire and a mystical tutor.  I figure that worst case scenario, my opponent casts first turn mox monkey, but I'll still have time to both tutor for and cast ancestral.

Wouldn't you know it, Dave casts not only a first turn mox monkey, but also a mox ruby.  The monkey eats my mox.  In response, I tutor for ancestral anyway, hoping to draw into a blue source soon.  So not only did I mull down to 5, now I'm mana screwed.

From here, I topdeck like a savage mizer and win the game.

Just kidding.

I don't draw into any mana source, and the game is soon over.  I don't have the logs for this game, since I lost and "mull to 5, mana screw, lose" is not very interesting.

Game 2: A nice, long game.  I have a pretty solid opening hand, and Highlights include a first-turn ancestral, soon followed by a scroll rack and a balance, clearing his side of the early beats.  Gorilla shaman makes an appearance post-balance, and does some annoying munching, and does so for quite some time (it eventually even killed my scroll rack).  I ignore the shaman for now, and go with regrowing my ancestral and casting mind twist.  The card advantage here leads to an stp for shaman, another scroll rack, and I scroll rack into fof.  Fof does its massive digging job combined with the scroll rack, and I soon get a land tax.  Tax-rack means game, as I soon find a tutor to get yawgwill, and it's one of the more borken yawgwills I've cast.  Most importantly, the yawgwill gives me the zuran orb back, which was destroyed by a shaman earlier.  Dave concedes soon thereafter.

Game 3: I keep a not-bad hand.  Dave apparently doesn't have too much in terms of early beats beyond a shaman, and throws a lot of burn my way.  I kill his shaman pretty early (to protect a sol ring), and cast fact or fiction, getting some good stuff.  The fof, combined with gemstone mines expiring, gives me threshold, and I cast a mystic enforcer with the mana from the gemstone mines.  The enforcer goes all the way, with me holding a stp and a misdirection for backup.

Apprentice logs:

Game 2:
19:27:53 - NaClhv is requesting a new game.
19:28:09 - Dave is requesting a new game.
19:28:09 - Dave has a 15 card sideboard
19:28:09 - Dave has a 60 card deck.
19:28:09 - Dave's life is now 20.
19:28:09 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:28:09 - Dave draws no cards.
19:28:09 - NaClhv is setting up cards.
19:28:09 - NaClhv has a 15 card sideboard
19:28:09 - NaClhv has a 60 card deck.
19:28:09 - NaClhv's life is now 20. (+14)
19:28:09 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:09 - NaClhv draws no cards.
19:28:09 - -- NaClhv's Security Code: 151497
19:28:09 - -- NaClhv says: ''I am ready.''
19:28:09 - -- Dave's Security Code: 151508
19:28:10 - -- Dave says: ''I am ready.''
19:28:12 - Dave says:'p/d?'
19:28:14 - NaClhv says:'I'll play'
19:28:16 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:17 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:17 - It is now turn 0.
19:28:17 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:17 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:18 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:18 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:28:18 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:18 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:28:19 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:28:20 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:28:23 - NaClhv drew 7 cards.
19:28:24 - Dave drew 7 cards.
19:28:27 - NaClhv says:'keep'
19:28:29 - Dave says:'kp'
19:28:36 - NaClhv plays Island.
19:28:42 - NaClhv says:'during your upkeep'
19:28:44 - It is now turn 1.
19:28:44 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:28:46 - Island is tapped.
19:28:47 - NaClhv plays Ancestral Recall.
19:28:51 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:28:52 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:28:52 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:28:54 - NaClhv buries Ancestral Recall.
19:28:57 - NaClhv says:'go on'
19:28:58 - Dave draws a card.
19:29:01 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:29:02 - Mountain is tapped.
19:29:03 - Dave plays Gorilla Shaman.
19:29:08 - It is now turn 2.
19:29:08 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:29:12 - Island is untapped.
19:29:13 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:29:15 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:29:31 - NaClhv plays Plains.
19:29:32 - Island is tapped.
19:29:33 - Plains is tapped.
19:29:40 - NaClhv plays Scroll Rack.
19:29:44 - It is now turn 3.
19:29:44 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:29:46 - Mountain is untapped.
19:29:47 - Dave draws a card.
19:29:49 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:29:50 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
19:29:50 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
19:29:52 - NaClhv's life is now 19. (-1)
19:29:54 - Mountain is tapped.
19:29:56 - Dave plays Goblin Cadets.
19:29:59 - Mountain is tapped.
19:30:04 - Dave plays Chain Lightning.
19:30:07 - NaClhv's life is now 18. (-1)
19:30:07 - NaClhv's life is now 17. (-1)
19:30:08 - NaClhv's life is now 16. (-1)
19:30:10 - Dave buries Chain Lightning.
19:30:11 - It is now turn 4.
19:30:11 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:30:15 - Island is untapped.
19:30:15 - Plains is untapped.
19:30:16 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:30:18 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:30:26 - Island is tapped.
19:30:27 - Scroll Rack is tapped.
19:30:30 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:30:32 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:30:33 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:30:36 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:30:39 - Dave says:'um wait'
19:30:42 - Dave says:'u didnt discard'
19:30:46 - NaClhv says:'hm?'
19:30:51 - NaClhv says:'discard for what?'
19:30:52 - Dave says:'u had 8 in hand last turn'
19:30:58 - NaClhv says:'no, I have 4 now, '
19:31:01 - NaClhv says:'4 on the table'
19:31:06 - NaClhv says:'because I had 7 last turn'
19:31:09 - NaClhv says:'and I drew one'
19:31:11 - NaClhv says:'this turn'
19:31:28 - Dave says:'ok'
19:31:39 - NaClhv says:'continuing with scroll...'
19:31:45 - NaClhv drew 4 cards.
19:32:00 - NaClhv is peeking at a facedown card.
19:32:09 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:32:09 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:32:09 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:32:11 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:32:21 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
19:32:25 - Plains is tapped.
19:32:26 - NaClhv plays Sol Ring.
19:32:28 - NaClhv plays Zuran Orb.
19:32:30 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:32:31 - Sol Ring is tapped.
19:32:34 - NaClhv plays Balance.
19:32:43 - NaClhv says:'response'
19:32:49 - NaClhv buries Undiscovered Paradise.
19:32:50 - NaClhv's life is now 17. (+1)
19:32:50 - NaClhv's life is now 18. (+1)
19:32:59 - NaClhv says:'balance resolves?'
19:33:00 - Dave buries Gorilla Shaman.
19:33:00 - Dave buries Goblin Cadets.
19:33:03 - NaClhv buries Balance.
19:33:07 - NaClhv's life is now 17. (-1)
19:33:09 - NaClhv says:'burn'
19:33:11 - It is now turn 5.
19:33:11 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:33:12 - Mountain is untapped.
19:33:12 - Mountain is untapped.
19:33:13 - Dave draws a card.
19:33:14 - Dave plays Wasteland.
19:33:15 - Mountain is tapped.
19:33:17 - Dave plays Gorilla Shaman.
19:33:21 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:33:26 - NaClhv buries Zuran Orb.
19:33:30 - It is now turn 6.
19:33:31 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:33:37 - Island is untapped.
19:33:37 - Plains is untapped.
19:33:37 - Scroll Rack is untapped.
19:33:37 - Sol Ring is untapped.
19:33:40 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:33:40 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:33:43 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
19:33:44 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:33:45 - Plains is tapped.
19:33:46 - NaClhv plays Regrowth.
19:33:54 - NaClhv moves Ancestral Recall from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:33:58 - NaClhv moves Ancestral Recall from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:34:03 - NaClhv buries Regrowth.
19:34:05 - Island is tapped.
19:34:06 - NaClhv plays Ancestral Recall.
19:34:08 - NaClhv says:'k?'
19:34:08 - Dave says:'yup'
19:34:10 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:34:10 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:34:11 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:34:13 - NaClhv buries Ancestral Recall.
19:34:23 - It is now turn 7.
19:34:23 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:34:26 - Mountain is untapped.
19:34:27 - Wasteland is untapped.
19:34:27 - Dave draws a card.
19:34:30 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:34:33 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
19:34:34 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
19:34:36 - NaClhv's life is now 16. (-1)
19:35:02 - Mountain is tapped.
19:35:03 - Mountain is tapped.
19:35:03 - Mountain is tapped.
19:35:04 - Mountain is untapped.
19:35:05 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:35:11 - NaClhv buries Sol Ring.
19:35:18 - It is now turn 8.
19:35:18 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:35:22 - Island is untapped.
19:35:22 - Plains is untapped.
19:35:22 - Undiscovered Paradise is untapped.
19:35:23 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:35:24 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:35:25 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:35:32 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
19:35:33 - Island is tapped.
19:35:33 - Plains is tapped.
19:35:34 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:35:35 - NaClhv plays Mind Twist.
19:35:39 - NaClhv says:'for 2'
19:35:48 - Dave randomly buried Wheel of Fortune.
19:35:51 - Dave randomly buried Fork.
19:35:53 - NaClhv buries Mind Twist.
19:35:56 - It is now turn 9.
19:35:56 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:35:59 - Mountain is untapped.
19:35:59 - Mountain is untapped.
19:35:59 - Wasteland is untapped.
19:35:59 - Gorilla Shaman is untapped.
19:35:59 - Dave draws a card.
19:36:01 - Dave plays Wasteland.
19:36:04 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
19:36:05 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
19:36:06 - NaClhv's life is now 15. (-1)
19:36:08 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:36:08 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:36:09 - Mountain is tapped.
19:36:09 - Mountain is tapped.
19:36:10 - Mountain is tapped.
19:36:14 - NaClhv buries Scroll Rack.
19:36:15 - It is now turn 10.
19:36:15 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:36:20 - Island is untapped.
19:36:20 - Plains is untapped.
19:36:20 - Undiscovered Paradise is untapped.
19:36:21 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:36:22 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:36:23 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:36:34 - NaClhv plays Library of Alexandria.
19:36:40 - It is now turn 11.
19:36:40 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:36:41 - Mountain is untapped.
19:36:41 - Mountain is untapped.
19:36:41 - Mountain is untapped.
19:36:41 - Wasteland is untapped.
19:36:41 - Wasteland is untapped.
19:36:41 - Gorilla Shaman is untapped.
19:36:42 - Dave draws a card.
19:36:44 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
19:36:44 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
19:36:47 - NaClhv's life is now 14. (-1)
19:36:52 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:36:54 - It is now turn 12.
19:36:55 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:36:59 - NaClhv says:'eot'
19:37:00 - Library of Alexandria is tapped.
19:37:01 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:37:06 - NaClhv buries Library of Alexandria.
19:37:06 - Dave buries Wasteland.
19:37:07 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:37:13 - Plains is tapped.
19:37:16 - NaClhv plays Swords to Plowshares.
19:37:19 - Dave removes Gorilla Shaman from the game.
19:37:19 - NaClhv buries Swords to Plowshares.
19:37:19 - Dave's life is now 21. (+1)
19:37:27 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:37:29 - Plains is untapped.
19:37:30 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:37:32 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:37:38 - Island is tapped.
19:37:38 - Plains is tapped.
19:37:41 - NaClhv plays Scroll Rack.
19:37:44 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
19:37:47 - Scroll Rack is tapped.
19:37:48 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:37:50 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:37:51 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:37:55 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:37:57 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:38:01 - NaClhv drew 4 cards.
19:38:09 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:38:09 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:38:12 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:38:12 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:38:16 - It is now turn 13.
19:38:16 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:38:25 - Dave draws a card.
19:38:46 - Dave says:'i have a responce to my wasteland activation'
19:38:50 - Wasteland is tapped.
19:38:51 - Dave buries Wasteland.
19:38:52 - Mountain is tapped.
19:38:52 - Mountain is tapped.
19:38:54 - Dave plays Price of Progress.
19:38:59 - NaClhv's life is now 13. (-1)
19:38:59 - NaClhv's life is now 12. (-1)
19:39:02 - Dave buries Price of Progress.
19:39:03 - NaClhv buries Undiscovered Paradise.
19:39:07 - It is now turn 14.
19:39:07 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:39:14 - Island is untapped.
19:39:14 - Plains is untapped.
19:39:14 - Scroll Rack is untapped.
19:39:16 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:39:16 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:39:39 - NaClhv plays Island.
19:39:41 - NaClhv plays Mox Sapphire.
19:39:46 - It is now turn 15.
19:39:46 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:39:48 - Mountain is untapped.
19:39:48 - Mountain is untapped.
19:39:48 - Dave draws a card.
19:39:51 - Mountain is tapped.
19:39:53 - Dave plays Jackal Pup.
19:39:58 - NaClhv says:'k'
19:40:00 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
19:40:04 - Island is tapped.
19:40:05 - Island is tapped.
19:40:06 - Plains is tapped.
19:40:06 - Mox Sapphire is tapped.
19:40:09 - NaClhv plays Fact or Fiction.
19:40:11 - Dave says:'k'
19:40:18 - NaClhv moves Whirlpool Warrior from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:40:20 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:40:22 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:40:24 - NaClhv moves Force of Will from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:40:26 - NaClhv moves Mox Pearl from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:40:31 - Dave is now the controller of Whirlpool Warrior.
19:40:31 - Dave is now the controller of Plains.
19:40:31 - Dave is now the controller of Plains.
19:40:31 - Dave is now the controller of Force of Will.
19:40:31 - Dave is now the controller of Mox Pearl.
19:40:40 - Dave says:'that might be the worst fof ive ever seen =D'
19:41:06 - NaClhv is now the controller of Force of Will.
19:41:07 - NaClhv is now the controller of Whirlpool Warrior.
19:41:07 - NaClhv is now the controller of Mox Pearl.
19:41:07 - NaClhv is now the controller of Plains.
19:41:07 - NaClhv is now the controller of Plains.
19:41:12 - NaClhv buries Whirlpool Warrior.
19:41:12 - NaClhv buries Mox Pearl.
19:41:16 - NaClhv moves Force of Will from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:41:16 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:41:16 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:41:26 - NaClhv says:'still your discard phase'
19:41:37 - NaClhv buries Fact or Fiction.
19:41:58 - Dave says:'...'
19:42:11 - Dave says:'well?'
19:42:16 - NaClhv says:'it's still your discard phase'
19:42:19 - Dave says:'so'
19:42:24 - It is now turn 16.
19:42:24 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:42:30 - Island is untapped.
19:42:30 - Plains is untapped.
19:42:30 - Island is untapped.
19:42:30 - Mox Sapphire is untapped.
19:42:32 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:42:33 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:42:37 - Scroll Rack is tapped.
19:42:38 - Island is tapped.
19:42:41 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:44 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:46 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:47 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:49 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:51 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:42:57 - NaClhv drew 6 cards.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:06 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:43:07 - Plains is tapped.
19:43:10 - NaClhv plays Land Tax.
19:43:13 - Island is tapped.
19:43:14 - Mox Sapphire is tapped.
19:43:17 - NaClhv plays Powder Keg.
19:43:18 - It is now turn 17.
19:43:18 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:43:20 - Mountain is untapped.
19:43:20 - Dave draws a card.
19:43:22 - Jackal Pup is tapped.
19:43:22 - Jackal Pup is attacking.
19:43:24 - NaClhv's life is now 11. (-1)
19:43:25 - NaClhv's life is now 10. (-1)
19:43:33 - It is now turn 18.
19:43:34 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:43:39 - Island is untapped.
19:43:39 - Plains is untapped.
19:43:39 - Scroll Rack is untapped.
19:43:39 - Island is untapped.
19:43:39 - Mox Sapphire is untapped.
19:43:41 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
19:43:43 - Powder Keg now has 1 counters. (+1)
19:43:45 - NaClhv says:'tax'
19:43:48 - Dave says:'no'
19:43:51 - NaClhv says:'?'
19:43:57 - Dave says:'the counter'
19:44:00 - Dave says:'on keg has resolved'
19:44:05 - Dave says:'u chose not to active tax'
19:44:15 - Dave says:'u have to stack them otherwise'
19:44:26 - NaClhv says:'the effects all trigger at the beginning of upkeep'
19:44:32 - Dave says:'yes thus u must stack them'
19:44:35 - Dave says:'u let keg resolve'
19:44:38 - NaClhv says:'since they are all my effects, they trigger in the order I choose'
19:44:39 - Dave says:'thus u chose  not to tax'
19:44:43 - Dave says:'wrong'
19:44:48 - Dave says:'u must stack them first'
19:44:53 - Dave says:'last in first out'
19:44:58 - Dave says:'u never announced tax'
19:45:01 - Dave says:'and keg resolved'
19:45:03 - NaClhv says:'fine, if you want to be that way about it'
19:45:06 - Dave says:'so keg was last'
19:45:06 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:45:10 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:45:15 - It is now turn 19.
19:45:15 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:45:18 - Jackal Pup is untapped.
19:45:19 - Dave draws a card.
19:45:20 - Jackal Pup is tapped.
19:45:21 - Jackal Pup is attacking.
19:45:23 - Powder Keg is tapped.
19:45:25 - NaClhv buries Powder Keg.
19:45:27 - Dave buries Jackal Pup.
19:45:28 - Mountain is tapped.
19:45:29 - NaClhv says:'keg for 1'
19:45:30 - Dave plays Goblin Cadets.
19:45:37 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
19:45:41 - NaClhv says:'no effects'
19:45:42 - It is now turn 20.
19:45:43 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:45:47 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
19:45:54 - NaClhv says:'I will announce putting tax on the stack'
19:45:57 - Dave says:'k'
19:46:02 - NaClhv says:'tax resolves'
19:46:06 - NaClhv is looking through library...
19:46:07 - Dave says:'it doesnt mattter if theres only 1 effect'
19:46:09 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:46:11 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:46:14 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:46:15 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:46:15 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
19:46:18 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:46:18 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:46:18 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:46:20 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:46:23 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:46:25 - Scroll Rack is tapped.
19:46:27 - Island is tapped.
19:46:30 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:31 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:33 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:37 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:39 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:41 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:43 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:46:49 - NaClhv drew 7 cards.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:46:56 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:47:19 - NaClhv plays Gemstone Mine.
19:47:22 - Gemstone Mine now has 3 counters. (+3)
19:47:26 - Plains is tapped.
19:47:29 - NaClhv plays Land Tax.
19:47:36 - Dave says:'ok'
19:47:38 - Mox Sapphire is tapped.
19:47:39 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
19:47:41 - Gemstone Mine now has 2 counters. (-1)
19:47:46 - NaClhv plays Powder Keg.
19:47:50 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
19:47:54 - Dave says:'no fx'
19:47:57 - NaClhv moves City of Brass from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
19:47:59 - It is now turn 21.
19:47:59 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:48:01 - Mountain is untapped.
19:48:01 - Dave draws a card.
19:48:03 - Goblin Cadets is tapped.
19:48:03 - Goblin Cadets is attacking.
19:48:06 - NaClhv's life is now 9. (-1)
19:48:06 - NaClhv's life is now 8. (-1)
19:48:09 - It is now turn 22.
19:48:10 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:48:13 - NaClhv says:'eot'
19:48:17 - Island is tapped.
19:48:21 - NaClhv plays Mystical Tutor.
19:48:23 - Dave says:'ok'
19:48:25 - NaClhv is looking through library...
19:48:27 - NaClhv moves Yawgmoth's Will from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:48:30 - NaClhv buries Mystical Tutor.
19:48:33 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:48:33 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
19:48:38 - NaClhv moves Yawgmoth's Will from tabletop to NaClhv's library.
19:48:44 - NaClhv says:'begin turn'
19:48:46 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:48:49 - Island is untapped.
19:48:49 - Plains is untapped.
19:48:49 - Scroll Rack is untapped.
19:48:49 - Island is untapped.
19:48:49 - Mox Sapphire is untapped.
19:48:49 - Gemstone Mine is untapped.
19:48:50 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
19:48:54 - Powder Keg now has 1 counters. (+1)
19:48:56 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:48:57 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:49:03 - It is now the Main Phase.
19:49:06 - NaClhv plays Black Lotus.
19:49:10 - Black Lotus is tapped.
19:49:12 - NaClhv buries Black Lotus.
19:49:13 - NaClhv says:'bbb'
19:49:16 - NaClhv plays Yawgmoth's Will.
19:49:19 - Mountain is tapped.
19:49:19 - Mountain is tapped.
19:49:21 - Dave plays Incinerate.
19:49:23 - Dave says:'u'
19:49:31 - NaClhv's life is now 7. (-1)
19:49:32 - NaClhv's life is now 6. (-1)
19:49:32 - NaClhv's life is now 5. (-1)
19:49:35 - Mountain is tapped.
19:49:36 - Dave plays Lightning Bolt.
19:49:38 - Dave buries Incinerate.
19:49:42 - NaClhv's life is now 4. (-1)
19:49:43 - NaClhv's life is now 3. (-1)
19:49:43 - NaClhv's life is now 2. (-1)
19:49:46 - Dave says:'resolves'
19:49:48 - Dave buries Lightning Bolt.
19:49:59 - NaClhv moves Black Lotus from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:50:07 - NaClhv moves Mox Pearl from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:50:11 - NaClhv moves Zuran Orb from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:50:29 - Mox Sapphire is tapped.
19:50:30 - NaClhv moves Mystical Tutor from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:50:34 - NaClhv is looking through library...
19:50:39 - NaClhv moves Time Walk from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:50:40 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:50:40 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
19:50:43 - NaClhv moves Time Walk from tabletop to NaClhv's library.
19:50:48 - NaClhv removes Mystical Tutor from the game.
19:50:55 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
19:50:58 - NaClhv moves Swords to Plowshares from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:51:01 - Dave removes Goblin Cadets from the game.
19:51:02 - Dave's life is now 22. (+1)
19:51:03 - Dave's life is now 23. (+1)
19:51:06 - NaClhv buries Swords to Plowshares.
19:51:09 - Dave says:'rfg'
19:51:09 - NaClhv moves Swords to Plowshares from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:51:11 - NaClhv removes Swords to Plowshares from the game.
19:51:28 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:51:34 - Island is tapped.
19:51:37 - NaClhv moves Ancestral Recall from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:51:42 - Dave says:'ok'
19:51:42 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:51:42 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:51:42 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:51:46 - NaClhv removes Ancestral Recall from the game.
19:51:54 - Island is tapped.
19:51:55 - Plains is tapped.
19:51:56 - NaClhv plays Time Walk.
19:51:59 - NaClhv removes Time Walk from the game.
19:52:02 - Dave says:'ok'
19:52:12 - Black Lotus is tapped.
19:52:14 - NaClhv removes Black Lotus from the game.
19:52:15 - NaClhv says:'bbb'
19:52:19 - NaClhv moves Sol Ring from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:52:25 - NaClhv says:'bb left'
19:52:41 - Sol Ring is tapped.
19:52:45 - NaClhv moves Powder Keg from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:52:50 - Dave says:'k'
19:52:58 - NaClhv moves Mind Twist from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:53:02 - Dave moves Wasteland from Dave's hand to Dave's graveyard.
19:53:03 - NaClhv says:'with bb'
19:53:06 - NaClhv removes Mind Twist from the game.
19:53:19 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:53:22 - NaClhv plays Land Tax.
19:53:29 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
19:53:35 - NaClhv's life is now 3. (+1)
19:53:35 - NaClhv's life is now 4. (+1)
19:53:37 - NaClhv buries Gemstone Mine.
19:53:53 - NaClhv removes Yawgmoth's Will from the game.
19:53:56 - NaClhv moves Gemstone Mine from NaClhv's graveyard to tabletop.
19:54:00 - NaClhv removes Gemstone Mine from the game.
19:54:07 - NaClhv says:'ok'
19:54:09 - NaClhv says:'time walk turn'
19:54:15 - Dave says:'k'
19:54:16 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:54:18 - Island is untapped.
19:54:18 - Plains is untapped.
19:54:18 - Island is untapped.
19:54:18 - Mox Sapphire is untapped.
19:54:18 - Mox Pearl is untapped.
19:54:18 - Undiscovered Paradise is untapped.
19:54:18 - Sol Ring is untapped.
19:54:21 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:54:27 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
19:54:36 - Dave says:'cant u come up with a better kill than mystic enforcer?'
19:54:50 - NaClhv says:'I will stack land tax, then stack the putting the counter on the keg'
19:55:01 - NaClhv says:'counter resolves'
19:55:05 - Powder Keg now has 1 counters. (+1)
19:55:07 - NaClhv says:'tax'
19:55:11 - NaClhv is looking through library...
19:55:12 - Dave says:'ok'
19:55:15 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:55:19 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
19:55:21 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:55:21 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
19:55:24 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:55:24 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
19:55:25 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:55:26 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:55:35 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
19:55:37 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
19:55:38 - Island is tapped.
19:55:41 - Plains is tapped.
19:55:42 - Sol Ring is tapped.
19:55:45 - NaClhv plays Mystic Enforcer.
19:55:50 - Dave says:'k'
19:55:51 - NaClhv says:'1 floating'
19:55:56 - Scroll Rack is tapped.
19:55:59 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:56:00 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:56:03 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:56:07 - NaClhv plays a card facedown.
19:56:11 - NaClhv drew 4 cards.
19:56:16 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:56:16 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:56:16 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:56:16 - NaClhv moves a face-down card to the library.
19:56:20 - NaClhv plays Mox Diamond.
19:56:21 - NaClhv moves Gemstone Mine from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
19:56:24 - Mox Diamond is tapped.
19:56:28 - Mox Sapphire is tapped.
19:56:30 - Mox Pearl is tapped.
19:56:32 - Island is tapped.
19:56:34 - Dave says:'can i just look at t4 and most likely scoop?'
19:56:34 - NaClhv plays Mystic Enforcer.
19:56:38 - NaClhv says:'sure'
19:56:41 - Dave draws a card.
19:56:41 - Dave draws a card.
19:56:43 - + Dave is sideboarding (changes won't take effect until the start of the next game)

Game 3:
19:57:46 - NaClhv is requesting a new game.
19:57:47 - Dave has a 15 card sideboard
19:57:47 - Dave has a 60 card deck.
19:57:47 - Dave's life is now 20. (-3)
19:57:47 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:57:47 - Dave draws no cards.
19:57:47 - NaClhv is setting up cards.
19:57:47 - NaClhv has a 15 card sideboard
19:57:47 - NaClhv has a 60 card deck.
19:57:47 - NaClhv's life is now 20. (+16)
19:57:47 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:57:47 - NaClhv draws no cards.
19:57:47 - -- NaClhv's Security Code: 151497
19:57:47 - -- NaClhv says: ''I am ready.''
19:57:47 - -- Dave's Security Code: 151508
19:57:47 - -- Dave says: ''I am ready.''
19:57:55 - NaClhv says:'play?'
19:58:00 - Dave says:'yes'
19:58:01 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:58:02 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:02 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:58:02 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:03 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:03 - Dave is shuffling library...
19:58:03 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:04 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:04 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
19:58:06 - Dave drew 7 cards.
19:58:07 - NaClhv drew 7 cards.
19:58:19 - Dave says:'kp'
19:58:20 - NaClhv says:'keep'
19:58:27 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:58:27 - Mountain is tapped.
19:58:30 - Dave plays Gorilla Shaman.
19:58:33 - It is now turn 2.
19:58:34 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:58:37 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:58:38 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:58:47 - NaClhv plays Island.
19:58:48 - Island is tapped.
19:58:51 - NaClhv plays Sol Ring.
19:58:54 - It is now turn 3.
19:58:54 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:58:56 - Mountain is untapped.
19:58:56 - Dave draws a card.
19:58:58 - Dave plays Mountain.
19:58:59 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
19:59:00 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
19:59:01 - NaClhv's life is now 19. (-1)
19:59:03 - Mountain is tapped.
19:59:07 - Dave plays Chain Lightning.
19:59:15 - NaClhv's life is now 18. (-1)
19:59:15 - NaClhv's life is now 17. (-1)
19:59:15 - NaClhv's life is now 16. (-1)
19:59:16 - Dave buries Chain Lightning.
19:59:17 - Mountain is tapped.
19:59:19 - Dave plays Cursed Scroll.
19:59:30 - Dave says:'k?'
19:59:32 - NaClhv says:'k'
19:59:33 - It is now turn 4.
19:59:33 - It is now the Untap Phase.
19:59:37 - Island is untapped.
19:59:38 - It is now the Draw Phase.
19:59:39 - NaClhv draws a card.
19:59:43 - NaClhv plays Gemstone Mine.
19:59:44 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
19:59:47 - Gemstone Mine now has 2 counters. (+2)
19:59:52 - NaClhv plays Swords to Plowshares.
20:00:00 - Dave removes Gorilla Shaman from the game.
20:00:01 - Dave's life is now 21. (+1)
20:00:01 - NaClhv buries Swords to Plowshares.
20:00:07 - It is now turn 5.
20:00:07 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:00:10 - Mountain is untapped.
20:00:10 - Mountain is untapped.
20:00:11 - Dave draws a card.
20:00:15 - It is now turn 6.
20:00:15 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:00:18 - Gemstone Mine is untapped.
20:00:19 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:00:20 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:00:32 - NaClhv plays Gemstone Mine.
20:00:36 - Gemstone Mine now has 3 counters. (+3)
20:00:37 - It is now turn 7.
20:00:37 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:00:40 - Mountain is tapped.
20:00:41 - Dave plays Lightning Bolt.
20:00:47 - NaClhv says:'eot, I presume?'
20:00:50 - Dave says:'yes'
20:00:51 - NaClhv's life is now 15. (-1)
20:00:51 - NaClhv's life is now 14. (-1)
20:00:51 - NaClhv's life is now 13. (-1)
20:00:53 - Dave buries Lightning Bolt.
20:00:55 - Mountain is untapped.
20:00:56 - Dave draws a card.
20:00:58 - Mountain is tapped.
20:00:59 - Dave plays Chain Lightning.
20:01:05 - NaClhv's life is now 12. (-1)
20:01:05 - NaClhv's life is now 11. (-1)
20:01:05 - NaClhv's life is now 10. (-1)
20:01:07 - Dave buries Chain Lightning.
20:01:07 - It is now turn 8.
20:01:08 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:01:10 - NaClhv says:'eot'
20:01:14 - Sol Ring is tapped.
20:01:15 - Island is tapped.
20:01:16 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
20:01:17 - Gemstone Mine now has 2 counters. (-1)
20:01:19 - NaClhv plays Fact or Fiction.
20:01:21 - Dave says:'ok'
20:01:24 - NaClhv moves Werebear from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:01:26 - NaClhv moves Land Tax from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:01:27 - NaClhv moves Fire/Ice from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:01:29 - NaClhv moves Time Walk from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:01:31 - NaClhv moves Whirlpool Warrior from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:01:34 - Dave is now the controller of Werebear.
20:01:34 - Dave is now the controller of Land Tax.
20:01:34 - Dave is now the controller of Fire/Ice.
20:01:34 - Dave is now the controller of Time Walk.
20:01:34 - Dave is now the controller of Whirlpool Warrior.
20:02:01 - NaClhv is now the controller of Whirlpool Warrior.
20:02:01 - NaClhv is now the controller of Werebear.
20:02:01 - NaClhv is now the controller of Time Walk.
20:02:01 - NaClhv is now the controller of Land Tax.
20:02:01 - NaClhv is now the controller of Fire/Ice.
20:02:22 - NaClhv moves Werebear from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:02:22 - NaClhv moves Land Tax from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:02:22 - NaClhv moves Fire/Ice from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:02:24 - NaClhv buries Whirlpool Warrior.
20:02:24 - NaClhv buries Time Walk.
20:02:26 - NaClhv buries Fact or Fiction.
20:02:42 - Dave says:'...'
20:02:43 - NaClhv says:'proceeding with my turn...'
20:02:48 - Island is untapped.
20:02:48 - Sol Ring is untapped.
20:02:48 - Gemstone Mine is untapped.
20:02:50 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:02:51 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:03:03 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
20:03:09 - NaClhv plays Land Tax.
20:03:16 - Dave says:'counter'
20:03:16 - Island is tapped.
20:03:19 - Gemstone Mine now has 1 counters. (-1)
20:03:20 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
20:03:23 - Gemstone Mine now has 1 counters. (-1)
20:03:26 - NaClhv plays Werebear.
20:03:29 - It is now turn 9.
20:03:29 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:03:31 - Mountain is untapped.
20:03:32 - Dave draws a card.
20:03:52 - Mountain is tapped.
20:03:54 - Dave plays Lightning Bolt.
20:03:57 - NaClhv buries Werebear.
20:03:59 - Dave buries Lightning Bolt.
20:03:59 - It is now turn 10.
20:04:00 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:04:06 - Island is untapped.
20:04:06 - Gemstone Mine is untapped.
20:04:06 - Gemstone Mine is untapped.
20:04:08 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:04:09 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:04:17 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
20:04:18 - Gemstone Mine is tapped.
20:04:20 - NaClhv buries Gemstone Mine.
20:04:22 - NaClhv buries Gemstone Mine.
20:04:22 - Sol Ring is tapped.
20:04:25 - NaClhv plays Mystic Enforcer.
20:04:34 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
20:04:35 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
20:04:37 - NaClhv plays Land Tax.
20:04:38 - It is now turn 11.
20:04:38 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:04:41 - Mountain is untapped.
20:04:41 - Dave draws a card.
20:04:44 - Dave says:'jesus'
20:04:46 - Mountain is tapped.
20:04:47 - Dave plays Gorilla Shaman.
20:04:48 - It is now turn 12.
20:04:49 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:04:53 - Sol Ring is untapped.
20:04:53 - Undiscovered Paradise is untapped.
20:04:54 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:04:56 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
20:04:58 - NaClhv says:'tax'
20:05:02 - NaClhv is looking through library...
20:05:06 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:05:08 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:05:11 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:05:12 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
20:05:12 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
20:05:15 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:05:15 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:05:15 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:05:17 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:05:18 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:05:22 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
20:05:27 - Mystic Enforcer is tapped.
20:05:27 - Mystic Enforcer is attacking.
20:05:34 - Dave's life is now 20. (-1)
20:05:34 - Dave's life is now 19. (-1)
20:05:35 - Dave's life is now 18. (-1)
20:05:35 - Dave's life is now 17. (-1)
20:05:35 - Dave's life is now 16. (-1)
20:05:35 - Dave's life is now 15. (-1)
20:05:39 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
20:05:42 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
20:05:43 - It is now turn 13.
20:05:43 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:05:53 - Mountain is untapped.
20:05:53 - Dave draws a card.
20:05:56 - Dave plays Wasteland.
20:05:58 - Gorilla Shaman is tapped.
20:05:58 - Gorilla Shaman is attacking.
20:06:10 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
20:06:11 - Island is tapped.
20:06:13 - NaClhv plays Fire/Ice.
20:06:17 - NaClhv says:'1 and 1 to you'
20:06:19 - Dave's life is now 14. (-1)
20:06:21 - NaClhv buries Fire/Ice.
20:06:22 - Dave buries Gorilla Shaman.
20:06:22 - Wasteland is tapped.
20:06:23 - Mountain is tapped.
20:06:23 - Mountain is tapped.
20:06:25 - Dave plays Chimeric Idol.
20:06:31 - It is now turn 14.
20:06:31 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:06:36 - Island is untapped.
20:06:36 - Mystic Enforcer is untapped.
20:06:36 - Undiscovered Paradise is untapped.
20:06:38 - NaClhv moves Undiscovered Paradise from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:06:38 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
20:06:41 - NaClhv says:'tax'
20:06:43 - NaClhv is looking through library...
20:06:45 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:06:49 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:06:50 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:06:51 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
20:06:51 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
20:06:53 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:06:53 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:06:53 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:06:55 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:06:56 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:07:03 - Mystic Enforcer is tapped.
20:07:03 - Mystic Enforcer is attacking.
20:07:05 - Dave's life is now 13. (-1)
20:07:05 - Dave's life is now 12. (-1)
20:07:05 - Dave's life is now 11. (-1)
20:07:05 - Dave's life is now 10. (-1)
20:07:05 - Dave's life is now 9. (-1)
20:07:06 - Dave's life is now 8. (-1)
20:07:08 - NaClhv plays Plains.
20:07:13 - It is now the Discard / Cleanup Phase.
20:07:16 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
20:07:21 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
20:07:23 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's hand to NaClhv's graveyard.
20:07:24 - It is now turn 15.
20:07:24 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:07:26 - Mountain is untapped.
20:07:26 - Mountain is untapped.
20:07:26 - Wasteland is untapped.
20:07:27 - Dave draws a card.
20:07:32 - Mountain is tapped.
20:07:33 - Mountain is tapped.
20:07:33 - Wasteland is tapped.
20:07:36 - Dave plays Chimeric Idol.
20:07:43 - Chimeric Idol is tapped.
20:07:43 - Chimeric Idol is attacking.
20:07:43 - NaClhv says:'k'
20:07:57 - NaClhv's life is now 9. (-1)
20:07:58 - NaClhv's life is now 8. (-1)
20:07:58 - NaClhv's life is now 7. (-1)
20:08:01 - It is now turn 16.
20:08:01 - It is now the Untap Phase.
20:08:06 - Mystic Enforcer is untapped.
20:08:08 - It is now the Upkeep Phase.
20:08:10 - NaClhv says:'tax'
20:08:13 - NaClhv is looking through library...
20:08:15 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:08:16 - NaClhv moves Island from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:08:20 - NaClhv moves Plains from NaClhv's library to tabletop.
20:08:21 - NaClhv is shuffling library...
20:08:21 - NaClhv stops looking through library.
20:08:23 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:08:23 - NaClhv moves Island from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:08:23 - NaClhv moves Plains from tabletop to NaClhv's hand.
20:08:25 - It is now the Draw Phase.
20:08:26 - NaClhv draws a card.
20:08:31 - Mystic Enforcer is tapped.
20:08:31 - Mystic Enforcer is attacking.
20:08:33 - Dave's life is now 7. (-1)
20:08:33 - Dave's life is now 6. (-1)
20:08:33 - Dave's life is now 5. (-1)
20:08:33 - Dave's life is now 4. (-1)
20:08:34 - Dave's life is now 3. (-1)
20:08:34 - Dave's life is now 2. (-1)
20:08:37 - NaClhv plays Undiscovered Paradise.
20:08:38 - Undiscovered Paradise is tapped.
20:08:39 - Plains is tapped.
20:08:41 - NaClhv plays Fire/Ice.
20:08:43 - NaClhv says:'fire you'
20:08:54 - Dave says:'ughh'
20:09:05 - NaClhv says:'game?'
20:09:21 - Dave says:'i had u next turn'
20:09:28 - NaClhv says:'past this?'
20:09:30 - NaClhv plays Misdirection.
20:09:31 - NaClhv plays Swords to Plowshares.
20:09:32 - NaClhv plays Whirlpool Warrior.
20:09:39 - Dave says:'so'
20:09:43 - Dave plays Fireblast.
20:09:44 - Dave plays Jackal Pup.
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Razor
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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2002, 12:19:13 am »

Well, your ABM deck just beat some tough competition.

So far, the Enforcers (and Wumpus) are going the distance for us!

 

Congrats.
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SpikeyMikey
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2002, 11:54:03 am »

That hurts, I was hoping to see Sligh do well.  I mean, I know it's asking a bit much in a Stacker heavy field, but I wanted to see all the Sligh's win first round...
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Fishhead
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2002, 02:46:12 am »

Nicely done.  You are happy to put up two strong games for the comeback after the sad mulligan start.  Wink

And DKaplan is no slouch; an impressive scalp.  Like SpikeyMikey I'd enjoy seeing Sligh do well, but I think I'd enjoy seeing ABM do well even more.  Hehe.
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psyduck
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2002, 03:27:59 pm »

Nice.. Good sportsmanship too Nachlv in the face of .... Well good sportsmanship. BTW you dont have to announce tax going on the stack but I guess he was really mad and was losing so you didn't want to beat him up that bad. that was nice of you.
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Fishhead
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2002, 04:37:19 pm »

Yes, I noticed that little exchange too.  Wink  

I wonder what a judge would rule?  AFAIK, both effects go on the stack.  After that though, Dave is making a bold assumption - basically he's saying that if NaChlv doesnt explictly stack the effects then they get stacked in the most disadvantageous order.  Considering that they had played relatively loosely up until that time (notice how tight the announcing and playing gets for a couple turns afterwards) I didnt think it was unclear what NaChlv was doing there.

If I were judging I would tell NaChlv to be clearer in the future and hand Dave a small slice of Cheddar so he doesn't go away empty-handed.  Wink  But then, I am not a judge, so thats just my totally unproffessional opinion.

Any real judges want to take a swing at this?
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SpikeyMikey
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2002, 04:47:37 pm »

He's perfectly within his rights, technically, he's right, but usually, games on apprentice are played in a more friendly manner.  Like people don't usually hit all the phases of their turn.  Technically, they should, but it's not usually a big deal to anyone.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2002, 04:56:12 pm »

That really gets me some times.  And no, I'm not talking about "getting rules cheesed".  I'm talking about when someone says something along the lines of: "fine, if you want to be that way about it".  This may be a game, but what do you do in a game? You play by the rules[/b].  When someone calls you on the rules, they have every right to.  This usually isn't a problem in my area(I hold people to mistakes, this helps them LEARN to not make them again).  I may sound like a dick, but it REALLY pisses me off when people say things like that.  I try to play pretty strictly, and in a tournament, I expect the same of my opponents.  it makes the game easier to keep track of and helps prevent confusion.

Sorry this is so off topic, but regardless: If your opponent holds you to something you did wrong(Even if you didn't know it was wrong) PLEASE don't make them out to be the bad guy.  Learn from it, benefit from it, get better because of it.

Carl
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brianb
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2002, 06:06:37 pm »

Ok, I'm ruling with Fishhead on this one.  Here's my take.

Both land tax and powder keg need to go on the stack at the beginning of upkeep, regardless of whether tax will be used or a counter added to keg.  NaClhv needs to choose the order they go on the stack.  He failed to stack them and proceded to resolving them in the order of his choice.  In a loose game, you can just let that go.  If the opponent wants to play tight or if he has some tricky instant effect to play that depends on precise timing, he needs to tell NaClhv to back up and stack the effects properly as soon as NaClhv starts to resolve anything.  Dave wants to assume that because NaClhv added a counter to the keg without stacking anything, he must have stacked land tax above the keg effect and let it resolve before, whereupon he declined to tax.  That assumption doesn't fly.  If you give Dave his way on this one, he could just as easily claim that a counter couldn't be added if NaClhv taxed first.  If there were an echo or an upkeep cost involved, he could declare it not payed as soon as the keg counter was added.  Basically he allows NaClhv to make a procedural error so that he can assume NaClhv's intentions and turn it to his advantage.  The correct way to deal with a procedural error is to correct is as soon as it's recognized unless a significant action has happened since then.  A significant action would be something like drawing a card that would give NaClhv a hint at how he should play his upkeep effects.  If he draws a card, then by all means, he shouldn't get to go back and tax (or add a counter to a keg or pay an upkeep or perform any other optional upkeep action).  Since he didn't (and no other significant action occured), he simply needs to remove that fuse counter, stack his effects properly, and go from there.

So, if I'm judging and I'm called into the middle of this, I simply back the action up to the beginning of the upkeep.  NaClhv gets a caution to play more carefully.  At a PT or GP, he might get a warning.  I wouldn't give Dave a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct, but i'd probably tell him to watch his step.  I don't mind new players calling a judge over for stupid stuff or players who are actually confused on rules, but i don't have a lot of patience for good players who rules-lawyer (at least when they don't have a case).  Calling a judge on something like that would pretty much spend my patience with a player for that tourney.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2002, 06:32:45 pm »

Edit:  My post was sitting in the edit buffer for a while & brianb must have submitted his post before I did mine.  He basically said what I wanted to but he did it with better detail.

Looks to me like the Powder Keg and Land Tax on the stack issue was less about following the rules, and more about how informally the players were going to announce their phases and effects.  NaClhv never announced he was adding the "counter to the Keg" effect to the upkeep stack, either, so if Dave was claiming that you must announce every upkeep effect being added to the stack, then they should have backed up to the beginning of the upkeep and had NaClhv declare his upkeep stacking.  Frankly though, playing Magic on Apprentice strictly to the rules of step declaration can become VERY tedious, and I don't see the point in doing this all the time unless you're trying to rules lawyer someone.  I mean, it's clear that NaClhv wanted to both add a counter to the Keg and use Land Tax during his upkeep, and there was nothing tricky required to accomplish this.

Basically, if something needs clarifying, a player wasn't given a chance to respond, etc., because of informal play, then players should back up the game to that point.  Otherwise, informal play over Apprentice is fine and insisting on nitpicky details where no confusion, etc. exists is just silly.
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Dave Kaplan
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2002, 08:06:47 pm »

Was I just rules dicking on a technicallity because I was mad that I was losing to keeper minus half the good cards? Yes. End of story. I would never normally do this over appr, but I might irl if a decent prize is up for stakes. I am a DCI judge and I use it to my advantage when I can.
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brianb
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2002, 08:40:48 pm »

Good to hear you say that.     It's tough to keep your cool when you're frustrated and we've all been jerks at times like that.  Even in RL with a huge prize on the line, though, that kind of gambit won't fly if the judge knows what's what.
After thinking about it a while, I remembered a PT top-8 where a nearly exactly analogous situation came up.  It involved a masticore.  Its controller (player A) wanted to ping a few times during his upkeep before letting the core die.  So A tapped a bunch of mana, pinged some guys, and dropped the core in the gy.  His opponent (player B) claimed that since he didn't stack the core's upkeep and went straight to casting other effects, that he had therefore chosen to bury the core.  The judge who was watching (presumably a lvl 4) the whole episode rejected player B's rules lawyering and just made player A go back and stack it all by the book.
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Dave Kaplan
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2002, 09:06:27 pm »

The Masticore situation is completely different because you must stack it, you do not however, have to stack either Keg or Tax, so if you only choose 1 and it resolves, that means no others were chosen.
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brianb
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2002, 10:36:08 pm »

wrong--you must stack both the keg and the tax.  Whether or not you actually use them is decided on resolution.  Read comp rules on triggered effects with the word "may".
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Fishhead
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2002, 12:10:08 am »

Well, anyway, besides the ruling:

Perhaps Dave has some insight on these games?  

In the third one he seemed to draw no creatures except Shaman; he did burn NaChlv down to 10 but wasnt able to follow up before the Enforcer finished him.  Thats not exactly lucky; but one thing about that Enforcer is that it gives you a very finite amount of time to find a solution.  And, as NaChlv shows, he wasnt even close to being out of gas at the end.

The second game, though, Dave seemed to have a lot of play.  NaChlv just got a good start and then managed to get that Scroll Rack digging for answers.  Was this game more typical of the matchup?
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The Bahoo
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2002, 09:29:53 am »

If you're gonna exercise poor sportsmanship, and downright lameness, at least know the rules.
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Nevyn
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2002, 12:59:51 pm »

Rules refresher for everyone:

Both powder keg and land tax use the words "at the beginning of your upkeep" and the word "may"

In this scenario, let's be very clear about what happens. Both of the abilities always trigger. They trigger before either player has priority, and the trigger itself is not optional. The controller decides what order they trigger in.

The active player gets priority with both triggers on the stack, and can play fast effects or pass priority. Assuming both players pass (as above) the player then chooses for the top trigger whether or not to perform the action, then likewise for the bottom trigger (after both players pass again).

So in the above, NalClhv made the mistake of not explicity announcing the order in which he stacked the two triggers. The most this could ever get him is a caution/warning (warning unlikely) for procedural error-minor. He also did not explicitly say that he was resolving the tax trigger and choosing not to perform the action, hence if called over I would rule that the tax trigger was still on the stack as this is the clear intent of the player and he did nothing to mislead the opponent with regards to it. So he would be able to do the keg and the tax, and he would get a caution to play more carefully (except at very high REL where I wouldn't be ruling, but the worst that would happen would be a warning). At higher REL's, Dave would likely have just called a judge to clarify this, so nothing would happen to him. If he did not, and tried to tell NalClhv that he could not tax, or summarily rule this way, he could conceivably get an unsportsmanlike conduct caution/warning, although this is also unlikely.

NalClhv should have been more precise about his intent but did nothing explicitly wrong and should have been able to tax. Dave has every right to question rules interactions, but in this case his interpretation was wrong, and at his own admission, a little petty and based on the disappointing game state.

Know the rules, kids, they are the basis for the game and you should expect correct play in a tournament.

Nevyn
DCI Level 1 Judge and Level 5 Bad Player
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