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Author Topic: Type 1 Tourney Barely top 8!  (Read 1944 times)
Anonymous
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« on: January 05, 2003, 02:08:01 pm »

Well I'll be the first of the Charleston players to place a tourney report for the monthly type one in charleston at the Green Dragon.  Good Turn out, like 24 people I think

David Allen was kind enough to let me borrow his keeper, while he player auhnk sligh.  I fought long and hard against a field of hate and still made top 8! and then peetered out like a peetering out thing that has its peeter out!

I was piloting my version of keeper which I admit has some interesting card choices

Trapper Keeper Ultra Keeper Futura 2000 (with a cooler picture of Dawson's Creek on the cover)

Blue 19

2 Morphlings
4 Drain
4 FoW
2 C Wish
1 Ancestral
1 Walk
1 Stroke
1 Geyser
1 M Tutor
1 FoF
1 MisD

Black 7

1 Abyss
1 D Tutor
1 V Tutor
1 Chainer's Edict
1 M Twist
1 Y Will
1 Haunting Echoes

White 3

1 Balance
1 StP
1 Moat

Red 1
 
1 B Wish

Gold 1

1 Lobotomy

Artifacts 6

6 SoLoMoxen

Lands 23

4 Tundra
4 Volcanic
4 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
2 CoB
3 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
1 LoA

SB 15 (thrown together right before)

1 CoP: Red
1 Light of Day
1 Karmic Justice
1 Presence of the Master (Hey Albert!)
1 StP
1 D Edict
1 Allay
1 S Pulse
1 Timetwister
2 Pyroclasm
4 REB

Alrighty then

Round 1: Fight!
First Matchup of the day Billy (don't know his last name)
playing suicide black with null rods and shades

As a former suicide player I was worried, I popularized JP meyer fleshreaver.dec in this area and it eats keeper for lunch usually.  Billy was running a version with shade and no 1 drop critters.

Game 1:

Hard, rough game, I chump a shade with morph to kill the shade and I loose the morph.  I had another in hand, drop it, 4 turns later we are shuffling up.

Game 2:

Drop land, done go. He duresses me, grabs the mind twist.  Next turn I lotus, will, land, mox, lotus, twist for 5.   Later it's moat, morph, win.

1:0

Round 2: Fight!

For round 2 who do I get pared with, Marek.  A navy nuke guy who still thinks that White Weenie is viable.  

Game 1:

I joke with him, "playing white weenie? I accept your concession!"  we start playing and soon Marek places my ass on a plater and presents me with it. I don't remember white weenie playing with mask and dreadnought?

Game 2:

No sir, mana drain says you will not put that @#%#$! mask into play.  Drain mana helps lobotomy remove all the dreadnoughts.  Maskanought becomes mask-a-NOT!  Morph and his own mana crypt eat his ass.  

Game 3:

Hard fought, lots of counters and discard getting thrown back and forth.  He gets out the fatness.  StP gains him 12 life.  
Moat comes out.  Hyppie comes out.  Morph comes out.  Bye bye hyppie. I buzz over with morph and again his mana crypt helps relieve him of his extra 12 while morph takes care of the original 20.

2:0

Round 3: Lets not fight...

Nether Void played by Jesse Driggers.  one more black deck and I am going to have to use my secret tech (the under the table jimmy kick!).  Jesse did an awesome job, and I give him lots of props for playing so well with his now fully powered void.

Game 1: I big twist his hand away second turn.  He scoops and we shuffle up for round 2!

Game 2:

Its just waste, duress, duress, nullrod all my mana away, sink, waste, sink, god make it stop....  and the shade helped to relieve me of the rest of my life.

Game 3:  

If I see another nullrod I will shove it up my opponents ass.  Instead I get a shade and hyppie up the ass.  Ouch!

2:1

Round 4: Why can't we all just get along...

I am now facing Shawn playing red/green aggro.  He is part of the savannah crew and regulary plays against keeper, in fact as it would turn out, all 15 cards in his board are keeper hate.
He did an awesome job and deserves alot of recognition.  

Game 1:  

I lobotomy him second turn and grab all of his tiagas, turn after that haunting echoes grabs all his fetchlands.  
Kirds, riverboa, bolts, lavamancer, all come out from one forest and one mountain.  My ass must be tasting good today because it seems to be getting eaten.

Game 2:

It takes an abyss, moat, and cop red to hold him off, morph comes in and it is a slow, nerve racking win as my life total is in the bolt range.

Game 3:

lets just say, naturalize and lots of free legates, eat my ass like its a buffet...

again sorry I didn't post your name guy!

2:2

Round 5:

Matt Hatch.  Little Matty Hatch is running reanimator.  Damn all these black decks.  Matt and I have played togther several times and He is a great opponent, really a nice kid.  I used to run reanimator so as we are playing we keep exchanging advice and card options.

Game 1:

Edict, stp, haunting echoes...  with no more entomb, exhume, reanimate, or buried alive, how will the deck work?

Game 2:

See game 1 only I don't have to wish for the extra stp and edict.

3:2

I came out as the top 3:2 and just managed to squeek into top 8 as the bottom seat.  top 8 is all aunk sligh, TNT,  void, and void with deeds... Mommy I don't want to play anymore.
I will point out I was the only keeper out of 3 that made it to top eight and both were paragonish.  So before you rip my deck appart remember it was the only one in top 8.

Round 1 and only 1 of top eight

I am playing to top seat who is playing (drum roll, VOID!)
I am playing Brian another of the savannah boys.  great guy, just really getting into type 1.  I think he has only played type one a couple of times before.  He reffered to my underground sea as the "blue, black one" when he wastelanded it.  I give me muchu uber props.

Game 1:

Rough like sex with a bull. I get out abyss and moat. He consults for a keg, kills all my mana, duresses me. He almost concedes.  I am sitting at 2 life, but I have out moat and abyss...  

On Lookers: "Well there is no way he can win now."

as a former mono black player I cannot listen to this blatant black bashing!

Me (da moron!): "no he can always mass cast hyppies and swing over, I'm only at 2!"

he casts necro, necros for 19, and goes to one.  

next turn, its duresses, then rit, rit, will, rit, rit, rit, hyppie, hyppie, shade, shade, sink... the only thing I remeber was trying to figure out how I would draw into a white mana source and the balance in one draw....

Game 2:  

I slow his roll, drop light of day and moat.  IN YOUR FACE!!!!
he duress me, hymns, blah, blah, and gets out Dystopia.
IN MY FACE!!!
then to make matters worse he drops out void.  I manage one heroic pyroclasm under the void before he rips away my lands and hand. He is now just waiting to draw into a threat. He gets out a shade with enough mana to pump him to well over my life total.  I am dead next turn...

I start really having fun

Me: untap all my lands,
enter my upkeep,
I have no effects,
I pass priority, no responses?  
I draw my card for the turn,
I pass priority,
no responses?
Enter my main phase,
lay a scary CoB...
Announce my attack phase,
no creatures are attacking...
enter my second main phase.
Tap CoB
in response to the damage,
put my concession on the stack?
do you have any responses?
my concession resoves.

I give him a good honest hand shake an wish him well.

He is baffled.  The savannah environment is a bunch of cutthroat players.  Highly competative.  Out guys are just as good in fact its often a chucktown boy that wins their tourney.  He is just surprised that I am not cussing and frustrated for losing.

Brian: You guys play for fun here?

Me: No, we have fun playing!

its a game

Props:

Major Props to all my opponents, Brian, Marek, Jesse, Matt, and Shawn.  Great job, as a keeper opponent much more than a keeper player I love it when the technological terror gets beaten even if I am piloting it.

Props to everyone for all the aggro decks out there.  I love to see critters other that morph finishing off people.

Special Super Double Props to Dave for letting me play his keeper.

Props to the savannah boys for showing up, and learning how to trash talk and have fun while playing.

Props to Cullen for puttin up with me

SLOPS

slops to Chub Toad for playing trix....

"this one time I say two guys kissing in the park, that was the gayest thing I had ever seen until I saw trix"

(side props to all his opponents for stopping a deck that is no fun to play against.)

Slops to people who ID so they don't have to risk loosing to get into top 8, even though I have done it before too.  

Slops to AJ for farting so often and stinking up the joint...

This will most likely be the last time I ever hold real cards in my hand ever so thank you to everyone for making my last competative magic tourney a memorable one.

LOVE
"Evil" Bill
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Matt The Great
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2003, 03:54:08 pm »

That's a good report. Good job getting to top eight in what sounds like a sea of black decks.
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MoreFling
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2003, 04:02:06 pm »

Not to put down your result or anything, but how can you T8 going 3-2?

i want tournaments where that happens!
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Zelif
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2003, 09:47:20 pm »

Quote from: Guest+Jan. 05 2003,14:08
Quote (Guest @ Jan. 05 2003,14:08)Round 4: Why can't we all just get along...
I am now facing Shawn playing red/green aggro.  He is part of the savannah crew and regulary plays against keeper, in fact as it would turn out, all 15 cards in his board are keeper hate.
He did an awesome job and deserves alot of recognition.  

[snip]
I will point out I was the only keeper out of 3 that made it to top eight and both were paragonish.  So before you rip my deck appart remember it was the only one in top 8.

Props to the savannah boys for showing up, and learning how to trash talk and have fun while playing.

This will most likely be the last time I ever hold real cards in my hand ever so thank you to everyone for making my last competative magic tourney a memorable one.

LOVE
"Evil" Bill
1) Shawn is from Savannah??

2) If "Paragon" means 4 Mana Drains, 4 Forces, and some Dual lands, I guess you could call my deck "Paragon"

3) Didn't I teach you how to trash talk?

4) I don't believe for a minute you are all the way gone, bro.

Bill, you will be missed.

Darren A. Dew
THE UNION
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Carbon
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2003, 10:11:13 pm »

Good Job in the tourney bill
i'm glad your constant harassment of letting me loan you 2000 was worth it
BUT DONT FRET!
we have proxy tourney for february and i hope you will play again
too bad we both scrubbed out in the first round of top 8
maybe better luck next time
if you had G.B.S you might have done better

Dave Allen
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Anonymous
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2003, 01:28:32 am »

Special thanks again to Spires (my constant and favorite opponent), Dave (for loaning cards and sharing tech), Darren (my first and favorite magic "dinosaur" the one who taught me the true power of type one) , and Cullen (constant team member even when the team was only the two of us, and constant friend.)

Ok enough of that, where the hell are all the critiques of my build?  No one got stuff to say about lobotomy? Echoes? Moat main?
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Gilthanas01
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2003, 05:13:23 pm »

Yeah Bill, I'll comment on your deck. After the black thrashing that my Keeper took Saturday, I wish to hell that I'd run Moat main like you did, it was a good call. But I still wouldn't have maindecked Echoes, that's what Burning Wish is for.......you need to hitch a ride with Dave one night, come over to the house, and learn a thing or two about Magic, lol.....And by the way, I truly appreciate you coming to my tourney, it's always a pleasure to have a player of your caliber in the field.

Jon
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Jesse Driggers
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2003, 08:19:20 pm »

Thanks for the props Bill!  You did better than expected given the field that day.  I guess playing black so long paid off?

three things though.
1: Shawn is a Charleston player
2: My Void has always been powered.
3: I hope you get back into the game/come to tourneys some time.  You are a blast to play against, and not an ass like some people.

MoreFling:  Two of his opponents were undefeated, thats how he squeaked in 8th.  Jon has the numbers on how many were 3-2, there were several that lost out due to tiebreaks.
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Zelif
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2003, 09:22:03 pm »

Quote from: Guest+Jan. 06 2003,01:28
Quote (Guest @ Jan. 06 2003,01:28)Special thanks again to Spires (my constant and favorite opponent), Dave (for loaning cards and sharing tech), Darren (my first and favorite magic "dinosaur" the one who taught me the true power of type one) , and Cullen (constant team member even when the team was only the two of us, and constant friend.)

Ok enough of that, where the hell are all the critiques of my build?  No one got stuff to say about lobotomy? Echoes? Moat main?
Whoa. Big props from getting lucky draws against you?? Well, I'll take 'em where I get 'em!!

Onto the build, I will say that I agree with Jon: the Echoes is probably a bit optimistic in the main, and, hell, if you can cast Echoes, shouldn't you just, I dunno, kill them? If you want it for the SB, fine, but I would also consider some other options for the Wishes, especially considering the field you were in.

Right now, Burning Wish can fetch you two cards: Pyroclasm and Timetwister (and YawgWilled cards, I know). So, can we optimize Cunning Wish to fill those slots? What about Firestorm, in place of Pyroclasm? Cunning Wishable, especially in the face of 300 critters. Maybe keep the 'Clasm for the Mongeese, etc, but board it in, or even maindeck it, as its more regular than Echoes!  

The Moat in the main is fine, imho. Even Lobotomy is great, at the right time, but optimal with some kind of information gathering, a la Duress, Scrying Glass, Capsize, Recoil, etc. Maybe a build emphasizing a slightly different, but by no means worse, search engine? Scrying Glass, Brainstorms, so that you can put the Lobotomy back when its unnecessary/too slow? Yer already using the fetchers.

On that note, try and split the fetchlands. If yer using Echoes, so might someone else: get 2 of the Delta, and 2 of the Plain. People also use Misdirection, I heard. It can guard you against Lobotomy, too.


Anyway, good job, and we'll see you again soon, bruthah.


Darren A. Dew
THE UNION
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Anonymous
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2003, 01:49:24 am »

Yeah like I said alot of the card choices were for there for versatility and testing in real life.  I have always tried to make cards as generic as possible with the most possible effects and protection while being dead against as few decks as possible.

Haunting Echoes:  When I ran burning wish in the main, I almost always wished for the echoes after I dropped a moat or abyss to remove threats from their deck, or to finish off combo after a counter war full of drain mana.  Also with the new power of all the welder decks having a graveyard sweeper maindeck that isn't bad against any deck is great.  I am stubborn. I love echoes as it is a scary threat to throw at anyone.  

Burning Wish: My board used to optimalize it better and it was great for that second yawgmoth's will.  But in this tourney I boarded it out every time and never used it.  It may not make the cut anymore (I have actually removed it for the time being).  Though many games have been saved by wishing for pyroclasm.

Lobotomy:
Again, it is just such a powerful effect.  It's duress on steroids.  Of my odd card choices this one saved my ass more than anything.  The neutering of maskanaught alone was worth it and it again is a threat against anydeck.

Brainstorm: I do not like it, period, I am a stubborn ass, I do not like green eggs and ham!

Alter Reality: God if only I had had this during the void matchup.  Change it to black!  One will hide in my side from now on.

Celestial Dawn: I think I want to try bleach in the sideboard, or maybe the main? Would certainly smooth out the mana base right!

and here is my new jank to try...

Void

not nether void, just void

for the unfamiliar
 
Void  

Sorcery   BR3
    
Choose a number. Destroy all artifacts and creatures with converted mana cost equal to that number. Then target player reveals his or her hand and discards from it all nonland cards with converted mana cost equal to the number.  

aftifact and creature sweeper, plus discard all wrapped up into one.  It is currently occupying the burning wish slot.  
now before all the comments on the casting cost, shattering pulse is the same cost and it only hits one artifact.  It also can't hit other critters and cannot make you opponenet discard.  All for the same price.

I am not saying it is better I am just saying where as pulse is definately a sideboard card not good in all matchups, the void can do all kinds of silly things and help save your butt from stuff that everyone will have out.  

Void kills...
ankh
morph
all the 4 cc TNT critters (ok they can regen masticore)
stompy's critters
sligh's critters
zoo's critters
suicide's critters
weird reanimator critters
acts like wrath for token generating decks
I won't even get into the discard effects it can have

Test before you critisize...

Darren have Cullen tell you about the "Keeper" deck I am running in the next proxy tourney.  It cannot win with out the side board...
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Anonymous
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2003, 10:07:46 pm »

Nice job Bill...

too bad we'll never get that rematch.  I leave the area on Friday.  Anyways... did I mention I      lobotomy?  Never really expected it.  Oh well...congrats on the top 8 anyways.  By the way...White Weenie IS good...just not very often.

Marek
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Anonymous
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2003, 02:58:00 am »

Marek you will be missed.  You were always a hell of a fun guy to play against.  

"may you harbours always find you safe at the ends of your journeys"

Bill
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