Spike Weaver and Feeder Question

[ReplenishedGuy]

Hey, I was just wondering about my Oath deck and what creatures to play against different decks (assuming people run 1 Weaver/Feeder/Morphling).  Could anyone tell me what creatures do better against different decks?  I'm not really sure...any info would be appreciated.

[Nova]

Well, I believe Crater Hellion used to be played as a creature-sweeper (anything 4 toughness or less) and Spirit of the Night was played against control (which seems to have been superseded by Akroma).  Hope that helps!

[cooberp]

Akroma goes farming.

[j_orlove]

SB woodripper is ridiculous (  ) against TnT and possibly Mask (although mask may not give you the chance to oath it up)

[Grand Inquisitor]

i only use these as the oath conversion for emerald alice, but the same principles apply.

stompy: feeder, morph, weaver

ankh sligh: woodripper, morphling, feeder

other sligh: (i stick with dryads, so i can't help ya)

super gro: feeder, weaver, morphling (if they run scroll racks or something else, maybe ripper)

mask: woodripper, weaver, morphling (and yes, this works quite well)

tnt: woodripper, weaver

white weenie: morphling, weaver, feeder

psycho-gro: weaver, morphling

sui: weaver, feeder, morphling

thats all that i can think of at the moment, hope it helps.

[Nova]

@CooberP: so does Spirit of the Night, but that didn't stop people from playing it

Phantom Nishoba rips the nuts off aggro too, but Oath is anti-aggro already.  I can't believe I missed Woodripper!

[MoreFling]

To answer the original question : I doubt you need a feeder. A Weaver + a Morphling should be enough. You can add another creature depending on the metagame though.

[Andreas]

Do not forget Triskelion. Compared with Crater Hellion it has the big advantage (for an Oath deck) that it can kill itself at any time the player wants it to. If I were to play Oath I would seriously consider replacing one of the Spikes (probably the Weaver) with it.

Actually before Triskelion rotated out of Extended the Oath creature bas of choice was either Triskelion, Feeder, Weaver or Morphling instead of the Weaver.

[MoreFling]

Andreas : that would be a clearly outdated version imho.
The choice before the rotation was clearly Feeder / Weaver / Morphling, and sometimes with inclusion of Crater Hellion, which kills itself as well through echo. Sometimes people left the Feeder out.
Triskelion can only shoot itself if you leave 1 counter on it, so you can effectively can do 2 damage (assuming there's no feeder or weaver to place counters on it).
Basicly, I think it's an inferior choice.

[Zherbus]

Moved to the Newbie forum for the nature of the question.

[Andreas]

Quote (MoreFling @ Feb. 03 2003,11:31)Andreas : that would be a clearly outdated version imho.
The choice before the rotation was clearly Feeder / Weaver / Morphling, and sometimes with inclusion of Crater Hellion, which kills itself as well through echo. Sometimes people left the Feeder out.

I was talking about the rotation before that rotation. In the Extended before last rotation Triskelion simply was no longer an option because it was not in the cardpool. And I remember some Bob Maher winning a Pro Tour with a Shard Phoenix as a Triskelion substitute.

Crater Hellion can´t kill itself immediately, the echo will only kick in the next turn. In between you give your opponent the opportunity to use Oath at least once, and you can´t respond to that with an Oath activation of yours immediately. Trust me you do not want that if you can avoid it.

Quote Triskelion can only shoot itself if you leave 1 counter on it, so you can effectively can do 2 damage (assuming there's no feeder or weaver to place counters on it).

Well, in the situations where you need to kill Triskelion in order to keep the Oath recursion going the 2 damage will be enough.

And without Triskelion (i.e. with Morphling/Feeder/Weaver) you can loose to all kinds of nasty utility creatures. Goblin Welder comes to mind.

Basically it is a metagame question in the end, though.

[PsychoCid]

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stompy: feeder, morph, weaver

ankh sligh: woodripper, morphling, feeder

other sligh: (i stick with dryads, so i can't help ya)

super gro: feeder, weaver, morphling (if they run scroll racks or something else, maybe ripper)

mask: woodripper, weaver, morphling (and yes, this works quite well)

tnt: woodripper, weaver

white weenie: morphling, weaver, feeder

psycho-gro: weaver, morphling

sui: weaver, feeder, morphling

Stompy: I don't know that I'd even bother with Feeder, here.  Be aggressive in finding an Oath, and that'll grab you a nice Morphling/Weaver.  Usually you'll drop your feeder for your sideboarded 2nd Weaver, here.

Ankh Sligh:  Morphling, Feeder, 2nd Feeder/Baloth is the norm.  Since you have alternate ways of dealing with everything else, counters and kegs are usually enough to take care of Scrolls/Ankhs to give you time to kill.

Other Sligh:  Nothing to it.  Swap out Weaver for Baloth.

SuperGro:  You can either take out the Feeder for whatever other anti-gro card you have, or replace it with the second Weaver.  Your call depending on if you want to see Weaver half or two-thirds of the time.

Mask:  This is the most likely matchup for me to remove Morphling against.  Although Morphling against a Negator is wonderful, Morphling against a Dreadnought could spell a crucial loss of a significant amount of life.  Weaver and Woodripper go in, Morphling is your call.

TnT:  Morphling, Weaver, and Woodripper.  All do well against fatties.

White Weenie:  Morphling and 1-2 Weavers is all you need, here.

Other Gro:  Morphling and 1-2 Weavers.

Sui:  Morphling and Weaver should stay in.  If you have Triskelion/Hellion, bring it in over Feeder to make them pay for their use of Negator.

BASICALLY:
-You take out Feeder against decks w/o a lot of fast damage.
-You take out Weaver versus decks that are likely to remove it before it's useful.
-It's pretty damn rare that you'll take out Morphling, but it is done, sometimes, in a gamble in hopes that two more bullet-like creatures will just own the board.

Before TnT, Mask, and Gro became so popular--back when I was running 5cOath--I used to side out Morphling against pretty much everything that wasn't control or didn't have StPs.  Shivan Hellkite nuked all opposing wieners and killed in 4 turns--so what if it got double bolted, it would be back.  Maindecking it is not a problem, since it is able to block an opposing Morphling, unlike Triskelion/Crater Hellion/Ancient Hydra.