A little something I threw together...

[Anonymous]

I <3 Black/White decks. I also <3 the idea of getting that Black Lotus at Altered States. So, to put two and two together, I printed out every WW, SuiBlack, and Nether Void primer that I found (yes, even Rakso's ~121 page WW primer), and studied them day and night for the past week and a half. The result is this monstrosity of a deck, what shall be dubbed 'Byakko no Ken', or 'Fist of the White Tiger' for the Japanese-impaired.

//Mana
  7 Swamp
  5 Plains
  4 Scrubland
  4 Wasteland (?)
//Removal
  4 Duress
  3 Seal of Cleansing
  3 Swords to Plowshares
  2 Hymn to Tourach
//Utility
  3 Dark Ritual
  2 Tithe
  1 Armageddon (?)
//Restricted
  R Black Lotus
  R Black Vise (?)
  R Mox Jet
  R Mox Pearl
  R Sol Ring (?)
  R Strip Mine
//Creatures
  4 Phyrexian Negator
  4 Savannah Lions
  3 White Knight
  3 Black Knight
  2 Phyrexian War Beast
//Sideboard
I dunno yet...

Any of the (?) cards denotes that the slots are changable, and may be so when I bring this baby to the Invitational. I intend for it to play like a weird love child of WW and SuiBlack, with a little bit of both, and yet some janky shite in there as well. It doesn't appear to fare too badly against combo and other aggro decks (although Sligh does provide a problem against 1st turn 'Gators), but control might provide a bit of a problem.

Also, the SB is in idea limbo, and it might contain enough to turn this into an aggro-Trix if I can con, err... 'trade' for the cards needed. Other than that, it doesn't seem to be all that bad, IMHO. Any feedback, whether it be 'i7 5uc|<5, j0!' or something like that, will be accepted. (although it may not be listened to...)

[ump]

I suggest picking one color as your main color and splashing the other color as it's really hard and unreliable to support both double black and double white early.  Therefore, no White Knight and Black Knight in the same deck.  I think black is your stronger color, so replace the White Knights.  If you cut down on the number of white spells, you can probably go with a mana base of 4 Scrublands, 4 Tainted Field (or Caves of Koilos), and the rest swamps.  You would be better off with a full set of 4 Dark Rituals and 4 Hymn to Tourach.  Black Vise seems out of place.  Maybe with more of a commitment on black, Nantuko Shade or even the black pump knights are better than Black Knight.  Of course I can be narrow-minded and say that Hypnotic Specter is one of the best black creatures around and deserves to be in this deck.  As for sideboard consideration, go with some combination of the sideboard in the Suicide Black primer depending on your metagame.  I definitely suggest Masticores since it appears you at least have Sligh in your metagame.

[Matt The Great]

You have no reason not to play Demonic Tutor.

[j_orlove]

I hear Necroptence and Yawgmoth's Will are good too.  

And if you want, you could always throw in a Demonic Consultation. If you don't like it, though, that's completely understandable.

Also 6 3-drops seems like a lot, especially so little below it. I'd cut war beasts for something cheaper.

[MoreFling]

I think vindicate wants to be in the mix.

Probably, a seal of cleansing next to a necropotence is gbs I hear.

[Anonymous]

Ok, I don't know how long a topic can last before being dubbed 'unrepliable', but oh well. I've been doing some tweaking to the deck, and it looks like this now:

10 Swamp
3 Plains
4 Scrubland
4 Tainted Field

4 'Gators
4 Flesh Reaver
4 Spectral Lynx
3 White Knight

4 Dark Rits
2 Tithe

4 Duress
3 Seal of Cleansings
3 StP
2 Hymns

SoLoMoxen (Pearl & Jet)
Necro
Strip

It does work pretty well, and the mana base is much more stable, but it is still missing a sideboard, since there is NO T1 anything in East Greenbush, NY. However, I am thinking of throwing in 1-3 Null Rods, just in case...

Quote You have no reason not to play Demonic Tutor.

Point taken, but actually I'm not running Demonic for one reason: I don't have it, and my 5 proxy slots are probably gonna be filled if I can't get ahold of a few of the cards. If I do have an extra proxy slot open, however, may I drop dead from repeated squirrel floggings if I don't throw it in there.

[MoreFling]

My friend Marco once piloted the following deck :

11 Marco Kiewit, BW Discard-LD
 
Main Deck
 
1 Zuran Orb
1 Mind Twist
1 Necropotence
1 Balance
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Enlightened Tutor
4 Hymn to Tourach
2 Hypnotic Specter
3 Juzam Djinn
4 Duress
3 The Rack

 2 Diabolic Edict
4 Vindicate
4 Sinkhole
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
3 Dark Ritual
4 Scrubland
2 Plains
10 Swamp
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet

Sideboard

 3 Perish
3 Planar Void
3 Phyrexian Negator
3 Engineered Plague
3 Circle of Protection: Red

It is somewhat outdated (it's from may) but I hope it's usefull nonetheless.

He finished 11th in a 60+ ppl tournament.

[Anonymous]

 

11th out of 60+? wow.. Using Juzams too...  

Thanks, man. I'll deconstruct that and see what makes it tick, then see if I can glean any knowledge from the parts.

[Anonymous]

Just a little something I'd like to add.

I piloted a 1.5 WW/r deck to a first place in a loval 1.5 tournament, and I can tell you that the fetchland are invaluable.  With a set of dual lands and pain lands, plus the 8 fetchlands that can fetch your dual, you end up with something like a 95%+ chance of getting a dual/pain in your opening hand, which can be invaluable in playing a multi-color deck.

The two painlands that can fetch a swamp (read-> dual land) are the bloodstained mire (R/B) and polluted delta (U/B).  Being able to cast both WW or BB spells on the second turn is great.

CopperLeaf

Also, if you want my WW/r deck, just ask.  I consider it a better splash than black, as you gain direct burn for one R (lighning bolt and chain lightning) card drawing (browbeat) and an insane first turn drop (Jackal Pup).  1st turn savannah lion, 2nd turn savannah lion and jackal pup.  

Of course the above part (about the WW/r) is only really relevant to 1.5.

[Anonymous]

I like the idea to add red also, but since you have picked black, I will restrict my comments to that area.

I like vindicate in this deck.  It is super usefull and could replace a seal or two...

Flesh Reaver is big at 4/4 for 2 mana, but I would rather pay 2 mana for a 3/3 with a smaller drawback.  read - Wretched Anurid)  Just a suggestion, but I would at least try it out.

If you dont have demonic tutor, do you have vampiric?  I like the idea of a tutor somewhere in the deck, but I dont know how available the cards are for you...

You dont have any 1-drop creatures unless you get a rit... it worries me a little, but savannah lions cant be cast turn 1 reliably.  

Also, I notice you can proxy.  One of the slots should be Black Lotus.  You could have some incredible opening plays with this card in your first 2 draws.  

I would say:
-2 seal of clensing
-4 flesh reaver
-1 Negator
-1 spectral lynx

+2 Vindicate
+3 Wretched Anurid  
+1 Savannah Lions
+1 Black Lotus
+1 Balance


Just my opinion.
Good luck.

[Spizzard]

Vindicate is almost too good not to use in b/w.  The flexibility of this card is amazing, if you can cast it, theres something to hit it with.  ALmost never dead.

Dark Ritual + White Knight = Not good.  
The WW casting of White Knight makes it unreliable.  Hypnotic specters would be better - Even if BB in cost, there are more ways to produce it.  A first turn specter can crush a lot of decks besides.  

Do you really want to take damage from the 'reaver?  Savanah Lions seams like a much better alternative.

[Anonymous]

@xrizzo: FYI, SoLoMoxen means Sol Ring, Lotus, and any of the Moxen. I already thought of that. Also, I actually think I might be able to get a Demonic, because I think I skipped over it whilst looking through my friend's rather expansive collection (hell, he has Garfield-signed playtest cards, signed artist proofs, and multitudes of other cards).

However, I think I will toss the Flesh Reavers in favor of the Anurids. Heck, I doubt I could've found the Reavers in time for the tourney, and the Anurid being in Onslaught only makes it easier for me to get.

@Spizzard: I removed the Knights already, putting in 2 Claws of Gix* and a Balance.

*:ninja:-tech. If the Gators are blocked, I sac them to the Claws after damage is on the stack and I end up not having to sac anything due to the Gator's ability. Besides, it's a 0-drop, and it can remove anything I have for possible card advantage w/Necro.

@Copperleaf: I personally think that I can do enough damage to myself as it is without the aid of the fetchlands. Besides, people over-play them, and the value of the fetching is dead mid- to late-game.

So far, these changes have been made, and the cards just need to be acquired:

-4 Flesh Reaver
+4 Wretched Anurid

-1 Dark Ritual
-1 Seal of Cleansing
+2 Vindicate

-3 White Knight
+2 Claws of Gix
+1 Balance

-1 Plains
+1 Demonic Tutor

And the sideboard is slowly being developed as well, currently being...

3 Encroach - Nonbasic hoser
3 Chainer's Edict (Innocent Blood?) - Non-targetted removal.
2 CoP: Red - Anti-Sligh measures
2 Vindicate - Can't really remove too much more from the MD, so they go here.
1 Seal of Cleansing - Better safe than sorry.
1 Swords to Plowshares - Again...


I thank you all greatly for helping put this deck together, and may I be able to one day stomp over all of your faces.

[Anonymous]

How come nobody ever plays 4 gerrard's verdicts, with the hymns?  You can never have too much discard.

[j_orlove]

Quote (Guest @ Feb. 25 2003,19:00)How come nobody ever plays 4 gerrard's verdicts, with the hymns?  You can never have too much discard.

But you can have too much discard. When your opponent has no cards in his hand, and you topdeck a second verdict, you'll certainly wish it was something else.

Hymn+Duress is generally enough.