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Mage of Dreams
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« on: November 23, 2003, 03:52:14 pm » |
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With the interest in the upcoming B/R list, I thought a stroll down memory lane might be nice. All comments welcome. Next week I'll add the 95' list. Anyone who can direct me to more info would be greatly appreciated. Also I will be adding comments/quotes from the people involved as I can.
Released in August 1993 at GenCon the original Alpha print run of 2.6 million cards was sold out by in September of the same year. The second Beta print run of 7.8 million cards was quickly released in October and again sold out by December that same year. It was quite apparent that the small game it’s creator Richard Garfield had envisioned was well received. During this first year M:TG was quite different then the game we play now. Decks were a minimum of 40 cards, there was no limit on the number of a given card, no Banned/Restricted List. The game was played more along the lines of RPG’s where “house rules” were the norm. With the 40 million print run of Unlimited on the horizon, 1993 coming to an end, M:TG began its next growth, Organized Play.
The first year of Magic the Gathering’s organization was a bit chaotic as the Duelists' Convocation (DC) began the process of structuring the game. The minimum deck size was upped to 60 from 40, the “4 of “ rule was adopted, and the Banned/Restricted List was instituted. This first year cards flew on and off the List almost monthly, with a total of 8 revisions.
Banned and Restricted List 1994
January Unlimited Released Arabian Nights sold out Banned Contract from Below Darkpact Demonic Attorney Jeweled Bird Shahrazad Restricted Ali from Cairo Ancestral Recall
Berserk**Adam Conus--“Combined in a deck with Fork, Berserk was one of the first cards in Magic to be recognized as degenerate. “**Richard Garfield--"Anything which multiplies is potentially abusive. Failure to have a Fog should not warrant 80 damage."**Skaff Elias--"In fact, eventually we stopped making doubling cards. This card probably wasn't broken, given all the other cards that truly were, but it needed to be put on the list once the truly broken stuff was taken care of."
Black Lotus Braingeyser Dingus Egg Gauntlet of Might Icy Manipulator Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Orcish Oriflamme Rukh Egg Sol Ring Time Vault Time Walk Timetwister
February Removed Orcish Oriflamme Rukh Egg
March Unlimited sold out Antiquities released Banned Time Vault Restricted Channel Copy Artifact Demonic Tutor Wheel of Fortune Regrowth Removed Icy Manipulator
April Revised Released Antiquities sold out
May Banned Bronze Tablet Restricted Candelabra of Tawnos Feldon's Cane Ivory Tower Library of Alexandria Removed Dingus Egg Gauntlet of Might
June Legends released and sold out Banned Rebirth Tempest Efreet Restricted Mishra's Workshop
August The Dark released Banned Divine Intervention**Alan Conus--“Draws are traditionally undesirable in competitive events, and Divine Intervention's sole effect is create them. Also, in a tournament setting, a single card should not have such a dramatic influence on the outcome of the game.” Restricted Chaos Orb Falling Star Mind Twist Mirror Universe Recall
Sword of the Ages**Alan Conus--”…simply deals too much damage, especially for an artifact. This allows any deck containing creatures a potentially game-winning blast of damage for which there is little defense.”**Skaff Elias--"This probably should never have been on the list!"[/i]
Underworld Dreams
October Restricted Maze of Ith
November The Dark sold out Fallen Empires released
So at the close of 1994 we end up with 42 cards on the List.
BANNED---10 Cards Contract from Below Darkpact Demonic Attorney Divine Intervention Jeweled Bird Shahrazad Time Vault Bronze Tablet Rebirth Tempest Efreet
RESTRICTED---32 Cards Ali from Cairo Ancestral Recall Berserk Black Lotus Braingeyser Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Sol Ring Time Vault Time Walk Timetwister Channel Copy Artifact Demonic Tutor Wheel of Fortune Regrowth Candelabra of Tawnos Feldon's Cane Ivory Tower Library of Alexandria Maze of Ith Mishra's Workshop Chaos Orb Falling Star Mind Twist Mirror Universe Recall Sword of the Ages Underworld Dreams
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rozetta
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2003, 04:32:18 pm » |
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This is looking to be the beginnings of a very interesting article. I wonder if you should add some reasons why certain, non-obvious cards were restricted, for those who don't know.
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BuboniC
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2003, 05:24:45 pm » |
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lol dingus, and it was because people thought mana should be a good thing, and you shouldnt be awarded for removing it..
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Crater Hellion
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2003, 05:25:52 pm » |
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whoa whoa. it was that losing a land is punishing enough, and you shouldn't get punished more. same thing? ok.
is this the whole piece?
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z28camaro
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2003, 05:37:43 pm » |
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It would be nice to add the reasons that some cards were restricted/banned and a look at how people abused these cards in decks. There are some cards on the list that, as I see, were just rediculiously put on the list. Yet I have no idea why. The article looks good, it would help us bone up on our history a bit.
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Charlie Yu
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 02:59:57 pm » |
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Here is a site with B/R history until 2002: http://magic.flaminio.com/banned.htmlThere's no T2 restricted list which was enforced during 1995-96
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blue_negator
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 03:25:43 pm » |
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Quote (z28camaro @ Nov. 23 2003,14:37)It would be nice to add the reasons that some cards were restricted/banned and a look at how people abused these cards in decks. There are some cards on the list that, as I see, were just rediculiously put on the list. Yet I have no idea why. The article looks good, it would help us bone up on our history a bit.
Z which specific cards are you wondering about? Here's a few that I thought were interesting Orcish oriflamme - the original printing had an error that made it less to cast i believe Rukh egg - people use to discard this from their hand and get a 4/4 flyer ali cairo - this was before people understood what creature elimination was Time vault -this was before the errata and their were just too many combos that were broken at the time Mirror universe - i think this one was too good before errata? Candlelabra - too much pre errata goodness One thing I wanted to mention was that Mind Twist was the ONLY card ever to be banned due to it's sheer power alone. Not because it was part of a broken combo, ante card, or dexterity card, but simply because it was too powerful.
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z28camaro
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 03:55:30 pm » |
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Feldon's Cane, Gauntlet of Might, and Sword of the Ages came to mind. I never understood why these cards were restricted.
I also thought Channel was banned due to its sheer power; I may be mistaken though.
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cobar
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2003, 05:12:10 am » |
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Quote (blue_negator @ Nov. 25 2003,12:25) Quote (z28camaro @ Nov. 23 2003,14:37)It would be nice to add the reasons that some cards were restricted/banned and a look at how people abused these cards in decks. There are some cards on the list that, as I see, were just rediculiously put on the list. Yet I have no idea why. The article looks good, it would help us bone up on our history a bit.
Z which specific cards are you wondering about? Here's a few that I thought were interesting Orcish oriflamme - the original printing had an error that made it less to cast i believe Rukh egg - people use to discard this from their hand and get a 4/4 flyer ali cairo - this was before people understood what creature elimination was Time vault -this was before the errata and their were just too many combos that were broken at the time Mirror universe - i think this one was too good before errata? Candlelabra - too much pre errata goodness One thing I wanted to mention was that Mind Twist was the ONLY card ever to be banned due to it's sheer power alone. Not because it was part of a broken combo, ante card, or dexterity card, but simply because it was too powerful. It sounds like you're speculating rather than being certain. While it's quite hard to find information from that far back, there are articles that go into the reasoning behind a few of those cards. As other's have said it would be interesting to build a more flavorful article with decklists and the players who broke the cards and so on. The B/R list has a lot of potential in terms of directions you can go with it. You might start with talking with some of the Wizards folk who were in charge of B/R back in the day. I'm not sure who made the decisions, but Skaff Elias, Richard Garfield, Mark Rosewater and other might have insights.
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skycreatoR
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2003, 06:31:03 am » |
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I might have a idea of a few of the cards;
Orcish Oriflamme were a mere 2cc card at 1R, which was far to powerfull back in alpha
Mirror Universe / Lich combination..
Time Vault, because of the Animate Artifact / Instill Energy / Vault combo..
Yet, it is funny restrictions they had back then 8]
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Mage of Dreams
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2003, 01:41:24 am » |
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Thanks for the intrest guys!!, No the article is not complete. I will be adding to it weekly, editing as I flesh out some details ect. Info from pre '96 is sketchy at best. I have lots of d/l files I'm going thru to get quotes and actual reasons from the people involved in the decisions.
As I'm only home 2 days a week usually progress might be a little slow but the project will continue. Your feedback is helpful in guiding the direction of intrest, so keep it up and check back for updates(usually sat or sun)
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2003, 05:30:16 pm » |
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I believe channel was restricted because it fuled two turn one kills, both requiring the lotus though. One with fireball, the other with brain geyser/black vise. Channelball was the predominat one. I don't know why its still on the list to be honest.
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Crater Hellion
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2003, 05:36:05 pm » |
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Although it seems silly for it to be restricted, we would break if it unrestricted. Think about it.. there are people who advocate the restriction of dark ritual, and channel basically says GG: add 19 to your mana pool.
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