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Alfred
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« on: April 19, 2004, 05:26:15 pm »

This is one of my first attempts at a T1 deck in a while, so I thought that it deserved a spot in the newbie forum.

Discard:
4x Duress
4x Hymn to Tourach
3x Unmask

Removal:
3x Swords to plowshares
2x Vindicate

Critters:
3x Exalted Angel
3x Glowrider
4x Icatian Javellineers
3x Phyrexian Negator

Utility/Draw
3x Phyrexian Arena
3x Null Rod

Tutors:
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Demonic Tutor

Mana:
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Jet
1x Chrome mox
1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
4x Scrubland
4x Polluted Delta
5x Swamp
3x Plains
2x Ancient Tomb

In the current metagame, lots of good disruption is important for aggro decks. This is the reason for 11 discard spells. I originally thought about using cabal therapy, but I figured that unmask would be better, especially in the early game. The creature base tries to be a combination of disruption elements and fat. The removal is also pretty solid.

One of my main concerns is in the Draw/utility section. I was wondering whether phyrexian arena was a good choice. Also, is null rod better than damping matrix?

A final note on the deck: The sideboard needs to be created. I need help choosing some solid SB picks along with ones that would fluctuate based on the meta.

P.S. If anyone has a suitable name, please feel free to suggest one.
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2004, 06:13:52 pm »

Have you thought of Necro, it could be a good inclusion, instead of one of the arenas.

I know a guy here tried to run arena in his 1.5 sui-black, and it wasn't that great, probably because he was trying to come up with an answer for a change for necro from his t1 build.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2004, 06:18:49 pm »

I don't have dark ritual in this decklist, as it doesn't have enough targets. For this reason, necropotence might not be consistant enough to include. I will consider it though. 100 Posts W00t!
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2004, 06:21:51 pm »

It looks like the makings of EBA, sans blue; was your deck an intentional path off EBA? If not, I would suggest looking over the other lists and taking some suggestions from them.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2004, 06:33:55 pm »

I know quite a bit about EBA, my friend owns the deck. I did take some tips from that deck, as you can see in the removal section. This deck is much more agressive than EBA, as you can see in the creature base. EBA, is aggro-control, wheras this is almost pure aggro with disruption elements, so the need for reactive counters go down considerably. The deck that I would compare this to the most would be suicide black, but with a much better creature and removal base.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2004, 07:36:46 pm »

I really cant see the value in Ictian Javelneers. I know they are weenies that can ping for a bit, but the really are probably too small to be much of a help. You would probably only use them to ping creatures, but you already have Vindicates and StPs to take care of creatures. and obviously their power isnt great compared to other options out there. I would suggest savvanah lions instead, becuase they give you a faster clock, which is what every aggro decks needs.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2004, 07:57:32 pm »

what about gerrards verdict?  its like a hymn, but they pick, and it matches your colors.  not to mention if they pitch a land, you get 3 life.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2004, 07:59:46 pm »

Life doesn't matter, and BB is usually easier to get than BW. What's more important is that you can nail their good cards; if you use Verdict, then they'll just pitch the unimportant ones.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2004, 08:11:37 pm »

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what about gerrards verdict?  its like a hymn, but they pick[/u], and it matches your colors.  not to mention if they pitch a land, you get 3 life.


The only[/u] reason Hymn to Tourach is good is because the discard is random. The life would rarely matter.

As for the list, I don't think Glowrider is really useful at all. It can't be dropped fast enough to matter against combo, control will deal with it or play around it, and aggro will race it or kill it.

Unmask is good, but bad tempo and usually unnecessary with 8 discard spells already, unless you're worried about combo/hardcore control.

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[edit]Damn, Sarnath'd on the Gerard's Verdict.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2004, 08:46:36 pm »

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Quote from: gregg
what about gerrards verdict?  its like a hymn, but they pick[/u], and it matches your colors.  not to mention if they pitch a land, you get 3 life.


The only[/u] reason Hymn to Tourach is good is because the discard is random. The life would rarely matter.

As for the list, I don't think Glowrider is really useful at all. It can't be dropped fast enough to matter against combo, control will deal with it or play around it, and aggro will race it or kill it.

Unmask is good, but bad tempo and usually unnecessary with 8 discard spells already, unless you're worried about combo/hardcore control.

Good luck,
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[edit]Damn, Sarnath'd on the Gerard's Verdict.


I'm going to pretend that you said "bad card advantage" instead of bad tempo about unmask. As for glowrider, I haven't tested it but it seems to perform a double role, both as a sphere of resistance and as a critter. It doesn't matter if control has to play around it, it just makes their life harder while bringing their life total from 20 to 0. I put Icatian Javelineers in because they are good at removing goblin welders, goblin lackies and fish creatures while beating down against control.

I've been thinking about adding withered wretch, as it's ability is pretty good.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2004, 04:29:03 pm »

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I'm going to pretend that you said "bad card advantage" instead of bad tempo about unmask.


Bah, you know what I mean.

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 As for glowrider, I haven't tested it but it seems to perform a double role, both as a sphere of resistance and as a critter. It doesn't matter if control has to play around it, it just makes their life harder while bringing their life total from 20 to 0.


You've got better critters and Sphere of Resistance is not good in this style of deck. I meant that control will just counter it, kill it, or ignore it for a few turns then deal with it. You need to test this out, just thinking it will work is a recipe for disaster in anything deck.

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I put Icatian Javelineers in because they are good at removing goblin welders, goblin lackies and fish creatures while beating down against control.


I'm quite in favor of this card in some decks, but you'll have to test it to see how well it performs in this style of play.

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I've been thinking about adding withered wretch, as it's ability is pretty good.


Sideboard 'em unless graveyard decks (I.E. Slaver, Dragon) are extremely prevalent in your are. The deck is clogged as it is.

In conclusion, test, test, TEST![/u] Then get back to us. New deck concepts often win more when you use them at all.

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2004, 09:56:05 am »

I can't say that I care much for that version of B/W aggro control.  I will say that angel does undoubtably belong in b/w, she is absolutely amazing.
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