3CB Tournament #35 Results and Discussion

[wonkey_donkey]

I'd like to congratulate PandaPokemon as the winner of 3CB Tournament #35
A lot of storage-land decks this time around, which gave the window for one of the least efficient processor.decs I've seen take first place by some distance!
There were no winners of the mise-prize, although pyromaniac wasn't far away.

The rules for this competition will be: Anything Goes!

Banned list:
Portal
Unglued
Black Lotus
Mesmeric Fiend
Blackmail
Chain of Smog
Hymn to Tourach
Cabal Therapy
Encroach
Mind Swords
Forget
Anvil of Bogarden
Strip Mine
Wasteland
Raze
The Rack
Wheel of Torture
Balance
Meddling Mage
Show and Tell
Isochron Scepter
Phrexian Dreadnaught
Lion's Eye Diamond
Evil Presence
Sea's Claim

Entrant - Deck Name - Deck

1. wonkey_donkey - itdoesn'tgrowontress,youknow.dec - Treetop Village, Eladmiri's Vineyard, The Tabernacle and Pendrell Vale
2. Jacob Orlove - Triple Threat - Treetop Village, Eladmiri's Vineyard, Words of Wilding
3. Pyromaniac - (No Name) - Dwarven Hold, Nether Spirit, Apocalypse
4. Combo_dude - Enter the Dragon - Fountain of Cho, Eternal Dragon, Disenchant
5. Lhyrrus - Florida.dec - Peat Bog, Swamp Mosquito, Diabolic Edict
6. r_x_ - recycled junk.dec - Sand Silos, Indentured Djinn, Confiscate
7. Setnakt - (No Name) - Bayou, Rogue Elephant, Duress
8. Detroit - I <3 bottle gnomes.dec - Mishra's Workshop, Bottle Gnomes, Trinisphere
9. Morefling - (No Name) - Island, Mana Crypt, Donate
10. LotusHead - PaperAirplane.dec - Icatian Store, Auriok Salvagers, Roterothopter
11. Ephraim - Little Green Death - Rushwood Grove, Lowland Basilisk, Nantuko Vigilante
12. Zelc - Ale Shop - Mishra's Workshop, Steel Golem, Powder Keg
13. theorigamist - Turn 1 (only) win - City of Traitors, Sphere of Resistance, Scalding Tongs
14. xrizzo - Trickster Nabob - Island, Trickster Mage, Squee, Goblin Nabob
15. PandaPokemon - (No Name) - City of Traitors, Ancient Tomb, Phyrexian Processor
16. Unearthly - Pwned by the Dragon - Mercadian Bazaar, Form of the Dragon, Form of the Dragon
17. CmdrSam - div x E = -1/c dB/dt - Saprazzan Skerry, Energy Field, Scalding Tongs

How to read the table:
Match the deck# on the left with the deck # on top. Append a 1 for the last 7 decks. The #s on the right of that deck correspond to how many points that deck received versus the deck on top. (Once again append a 1 for the last 7. The 1's are missing to make the table more clear)

0  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7   Total
1| x 2 2 0 6 0 2 2 6 6 0 2 0 4 0 6 6     44
2| 2 x 2 3 6 6 0 0 6 6 3 3 0 4 0 6 6     53
3| 2 2 x 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 6 2 0 2 2     32
4| 6 3 2 x 0 0 0 6 6 6 2 6 6 2 0 6 6     57
5| 0 0 2 6 x 0 0 0 0 0 6 2 0 6 0 0 6     28
6| 6 0 2 6 6 x 4 6 0 6 6 4 6 2 0 6 6     66
7| 2 6 6 6 6 1 x 3 3 0 0 0 3 2 6 6 6     56
8| 2 6 2 0 6 0 3 x 3 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 6     34
9| 0 0 2 0 6 6 3 3 x 6 0 0 3 6 0 3 0     38
0| 0 0 2 0 6 0 6 6 0 x 0 0 6 2 0 0 0     28
1| 6 3 2 2 0 0 6 6 6 6 x 6 6 2 0 6 6     63
2| 2 3 2 0 2 1 6 6 6 6 0 x 6 3 0 6 6     55
3| 6 6 0 0 6 0 3 3 3 0 0 0 x 3 6 0 6     42
4| 1 1 2 2 0 2 2 3 0 2 2 3 3 x 1 2 1     24
5| 6 6 6 6 6 6 0 6 6 6 6 6 0 4 x 6 0     76
6| 0 0 2 0 6 0 0 6 3 6 0 0 6 2 0 x 0     31
7| 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 6 6 0 0 0 4 6 6 x     30

Final Standings:

1:   PandaPokemon 77
2:   r_x_ 66
3:   Ephraim 63
4:   combo_dude 57
5:   Setnakt 56
6:   Zelc 55
7:   Jacob Orlove 53
8:   wonkey_donkey 44
9:             theorigamist 42
10:           MoreFling 38
11:   Detroit 34
12:   Pyromaniac 32
13:   Unearthly 31
14:           CmdrSam 30
15:   LotusHead 28
                Lhyrrus
17:   xrizzo 24

Again, no second decks. The high percentage of storage-land.dec meant that the most powerful turn2.dec won the tournament. The vineyard decks proved ineffective as they made the inefficient decks become that bit quicker. Ought to be an interesting metagame for next time, though, although we still haven't had one that doesn't change as of yet - although this change was not anticipated by many who brought workshop-hate decks. Lets see what happens in the next one!

No changes to the banned list from here, do people agree?
Please post corrections/discussions.

Tom

[Lyhrrus]

How do I lose against CmdrSam?  Swamp Mosquito does not need to deal damage to deliver poison counters, merely not blocked.  I should be 6-0 against him.  (yay, not last place)


Poison >> Scalding Tongs.  

[Jacob Orlove]

Heh. This is what happens when no one plays discard OR workshops. Stop trying to find "tech", people, and play good decks so I can metagame!

[Ephraim]

How exactly did you calculate damage for MoreFling's Donate/Mana Crypt deck? Did you just assume that it would deal its three damage every other turn?

[theorigamist]

Ephraim, random effects always go in the opponent's favor, so Mana Crypt would deal damage every turn.  That rule also kills my Chaos Orb deck, which would have killed everybody.  Not that I'm bitter.

EDIT: Wonkey donkey, I just checked the PM I sent you, and I had Mishra's Workshop, not City of Traitors.  City was in the Chaos deck, which I didn't use.  This does affect some matchups, so I'll check all of my matches and post again.

EDIT2: Okay, matchups:

Against:        Going first:          Going second:         Total Points
1                    win                     win                           6
2                    win                     win                           6
3                    lose                    lose                          0
4                    lose                    lose                          0
5                    win                     win                           6
6                    lose                    lose                          0
7                    win                     lose                          3
8                    win                     lose                          3
9                    win                     lose                          3
10                  lose                    lose                          0
11                  lose                    lose                          0
12                  lose                    lose                          0
14                  win                     lose                          3
15                  win                     win                           6
16                  lose                    lose                          0
17                  win                     win                           6

That gives me 42 points total, and I think it probably changes about half of the other people's points as well.

[Ephraim]

I think that my deck (#11) should beat MoreFling's deck (#9) then. If the Mana Crypt is his only kill condition, I can destroy it with Nantuko Vigilante.

[theorigamist]

Ephraim's right.  If he uses the Mana Crypt mana, he doesn't die before he can unmorph the Vigilante, even if Morefling goes first.

[Pyromaniac]

How the heck do I draw versus everything?

Apocalypse

      Color= Red    Type= Sorcery    Cost= 2RRR    TE(R)
      Text (TE+errata): Remove all permanents from the game. You discard your hand. [Oracle 1999/05/01]

I play Apocalypse at some time during the game, discard my Nether Spirit which will come back and beat ppl. Or am I wrong?

[Jacob Orlove]

How the heck do I draw versus everything?

Apocalypse

      Color= Red    Type= Sorcery    Cost= 2RRR    TE(R)
      Text (TE+errata): Remove all permanents from the game. You discard your hand. [Oracle 1999/05/01]

I play Apocalypse at some time during the game, discard my Nether Spirit which will come back and beat ppl. Or am I wrong?

Everyone can just play nothing vs you, and get a draw.

[Pyromaniac]

Ok, I understand

Well, off to the secret lab again

[PandaPokemon]

My deck is ineffcient =(  Didn't want to play City of Traitors Sol Ring because of the damn Trinispheres. *sniff*  How did I lose to the bottle gnomes deck anyway?  Or am I missing something.

[wonkey_donkey]

EDIT: Wonkey donkey, I just checked the PM I sent you, and I had Mishra's Workshop, not City of Traitors.  City was in the Chaos deck, which I didn't use.  This does affect some matchups, so I'll check all of my matches and post again.

EDIT2: Okay, matchups:

Against:        Going first:          Going second:         Total Points
1                    win                     win                           6
2                    win                     win                           6
3                    lose                    lose                          0
4                    lose                    lose                          0
5                    win                     win                           6
6                    lose                    lose                          0
7                    win                     lose                          3
8                    win                     lose                          3
9                    win                     lose                          3
10                  lose                    lose                          0
11                  lose                    lose                          0
12                  lose                    lose                          0
14                  win                     lose                          3
15                  win                     win                           6
16                  lose                    lose                          0
17                  win                     win                           6

That gives me 42 points total, and I think it probably changes about half of the other people's points as well.

Very sorry, you're right. Stupid of me, but never mind - I'll sort them out and have them up after the football tonight   .

I think that my deck (#11) should beat MoreFling's deck (#9) then. If the Mana Crypt is his only kill condition, I can destroy it with Nantuko Vigilante.

Hmm. Odd. I remember distinctly calculating it, and giving you a 6-0. Quite why I wrote it down the other way round is beyond me. I'll change it.

How do I lose against CmdrSam? Swamp Mosquito does not need to deal damage to deliver poison counters, merely not blocked. I should be 6-0 against him. (yay, not last place)

Fair point, I'd just assumed that energy field beat creatures. Will be fixed.

Tom

[Jacob Orlove]

Energy Field also loses to Vineyard mana burn.

[r_x_]

Energy Field prevents DAMAGE, not life loss, which Mana Burn is..

[rozetta]

Damn, I thought Fifth Dawn was still illegal, so I didn't enter my super secret tech deck and couldn't come up with anything good in time before going off to Juhannus. Will it be legal for the next one?

[combo_dude]

Ah, bugger - I forgot about the Salvagers being in 5D.

You mean you presumed people can read...

Sorry, but if you can't be bothered to read the thread that says 3CB tournament #36 then...

But yeah, it's legal.

[Machinus]

Morefling, your deck is 1337.

[combo_dude]

Morefling, your deck is 1337.

It's also his "classic". Seen it so many times before. Still great.

[rvs]

Morefling, your deck is 1337.

It's also his "classic". Seen it so many times before. Still great.

Actually, my classic would be Mox Pearl, Mishra's Factory, Balance, which I suprised the field with in 3CB #2, the first time I participated.

[combo_dude]

Morefling, your deck is 1337.

It's also his "classic". Seen it so many times before. Still great.

Actually, my classic would be Mox Pearl, Mishra's Factory, Balance, which I suprised the field with in 3CB #2, the first time I participated.

Damn, that's good...I hadn't even heard of TMD then though. And Balance only "surprised" for one tournament because it got banned, presumably?

[Machinus]

I came up with that deck on my own but decided against submitting it to #36 because it is horrible going first. There are better support cards for 2cc.

[rvs]

I came up with that deck on my own but decided against submitting it to #36 because it is horrible going first. There are better support cards for 2cc.

BS.

and Balance is banned.

Balance goes 50% against everything, and doesn't have too much trouble 6-0-ing against a bunch of decks. So in general, if there are 15+ players, it autowins.

[r_x_]

Balance goes 50% against everything, and doesn't have too much trouble 6-0-ing against a bunch of decks. So in general, if there are 15+ players, it autowins.

Not all decks. Decks with Nether Spirit it ties, and loses on decks with Dodecapod/Sand Golem (Mirage version, not sure about the name). But in general, its very good deck.

[combo_dude]

But Dodecapod sucks against anything other than Balance. The metagame's a *little* more diverse than that. And without LED, Spirit decks tend to be shooting for the mize-prize.

LED/Spirit or Violent Eruption/Arrogant Wurm decks were good.

[r_x_]

City of Traitors, Anvil of bogardan, N.Spirit ? Too bad the Anvil is banned..

Dodecapod is just metagame card, like Duress, Encroach, Ostracize, Swamp Mosquito, Serenity and the list goes on... Its bad on the metagame now, but it has been useful.