Breaking News: Origins Results

[Phantom Tape Worm]

<PTWafk> origins
<PTWafk> 1s't place
<PTWafk> hulk
<PTWafk> smmenen
<PTWafk> 1st hulk smmenen
<PTWafk> 2nd travis hopkins, super grow
<PTWafk> 3rd bushman w/hulk
<PTWafk> 4th or 5th kerz with gat and atog lord w/drain slaver
<PTWafk> metagame was lots of hulk, little bit gat, little bit 4 color control
<PTWafk> dryads decks out of 40 people
<PTWafk> 5 dryad decks out of 40 ppl
<PTWafk> 2 stax decks
<PTWafk> 2 drain slavers
<PTWafk> approx 8 hulks
<PTWafk> 1 belcher
<PTWafk> misreported match slip error in steve's favor
<PTWafk> same shit that happened to me last year at gencon
<PTWafk> steve got the win over belcher
<PTWafk> when he lost to belcher 0-2
<PTWafk> EVERYONE CHECK YOUR GODDAMN MATCHSLIPS AGAINST MEANDECKERS!!!!!!
<PTWafk> belcher is broken
<PTWafk> too many bombs to stop
<PTWafk> two more tourneys to go from origins
<PTWafk> kowal is playing in the midnight event but meandeck is taking the night off
<PTWafk> still no word on the friday event, meandeck didn't play on friday
<PTWafk> just got the phone call from chains



Sorry if that's hard to read, but it's the latest dirt from Origins straight from the mouths of team "matchslip", which is apparently THE Meandeck tech.  So day 3 of origins was won by Smmenen in a fashion oh so familiar to yours truly.

Unfortunately, none of Team shortbus could make it up for the event (which accounts for Meandeck's success), but rest assured we are ready for your sekrit tech, we'll be watching our matchslips very carefully  

Day 3 origins results:
1st Hulk - Smmenen
2nd Super grow - Travis Hopkins
3rd Hulk - Bushman
4th/5th GAT/Drain Slaver - Kerz/Atog Lord



Good job Steve, team shortbus can hardly wait until the SCG event so that we can cross swords once again with team matchslip.

[Hyperion]

I talked to Rich (The Atog Lord) a few minutes ago, and he told me he thinks he finished 3rd with Control Slaver, not 5th. Not sure what to make of that other than that it differs from what you were told.

It's unfortunate that the tournament outcome was decided by a match slip reporting error . Apparently there were numerous officiating blunders as well, such as

*a judge ruled that Time Walk targets :shock:! (i.e., that it could be Misdirected to let the player casting Misdirection take an extra turn)

*in a game between Rich and Travis, neither could remember if Travis had played a land during his current turn, so they asked the judge how to resolve it. The judge then gave them both warnings, let slip that Travis had no lands in hand (!) and then told him he couldn't play any lands for the rest of the game (!). I don't remember if the same penalty was applied to Rich but I will call him back later tonight to see if I can get more specifics. Rich will have a full tournament report when he gets back, I am told.

Hopefull the judging will be better for the other upcoming T1 tournaments.

[Mith]

The judge then gave them both warnings, let slip that Travis had no lands in hand (!) and then told him he couldn't play any lands for the rest of the game (!).

Are you serious? That's fucking ridiculous. I'm guessing it was the same mental giant who decided that Time Walk targets...

[FireFall26]

*a judge ruled that Time Walk targets :shock:! (i.e., that it could be Misdirected to let the player casting Misdirection take an extra turn)

That is ridiclous.  How can you be a judge and rule that.  I cannot believe at a tournmanet such as that, an event like that would occur.  That is basic magic, nothing fancy.  It makes me wonder how much the judges there really know about magic..

[Toad]

ROFL. Awesome judges.
:lol:

<PTWafk> still no word on the friday event, meandeck didn't play on friday

I received a PM from Kowal yesterday afternoon. Our broken Battle of Wits build Top8ed

[Jacob Orlove]

I received a PM from Kowal yesterday afternoon. Our broken Battle of Wits build Top8ed :D

Great, now the tournament is an even bigger joke. :/

[Dr. Sylvan]

BoW makes Baby Sylvan cry. :<

[Methuselahn]

Bwahahahaaa!

Match slip tech, horrible judges, BoW, die rolls, random brokenness...  Tell me again why people try to achieve a refined meta of like 5 decks when stuff like this happens.

[Vegeta2711]

Tell me again why people try to achieve a refined meta of like 5 decks when stuff like this happens.

People um... need to kill time? After reading all this crap, who really knows.

[The Atog Lord]

For the record, I played Control Slaver, not Drain Slaver, in the Saturday morning tournament  

I won the Saturday Midnight tournament with Control Slaver, and it involved two maindeck Darksteel Citadels.

I'll have a full report up in a little while. Yes, the judging there was less than optimal. But, it was still really cool to hang out with everyone. Certainly good times.

[CrazyCarl]

Who plays in tourneys?

I ran 2.

I did very poorly.

I'm going to write about it.

Good times had by all.

[Klep]

Origins was the hotness, as was BoW.  MARK FUCKING TEDIN was there.  I didn't play due to lack of power, but I did enough testing to confirm, once and for all, that Reaplace is fucking terrible.  Rich did indeed get third on Saturday, Kerz was 8th.  I forget how the rest of the t8 was, but someone has the result sheet.  More information tomorrow or whenever I get around to writing about it.

[Zherbus]

I vow that if a matchslip ever gets messed up and it doesn't get fixed that I will drop. That's pretty poor if you ask me.

[Klep]

I vow that if a matchslip ever gets messed up and it doesn't get fixed that I will drop. That's pretty poor if you ask me.

I really don't like their draconian adherence to the matchslip.  It seems to me that if both players request the result be changed, and can produce bystanders to affirm that the results are other than what it says on the match slip, that a change should at least be considered.

[Toad]

Players that don't check the paper slip before signing it are just stupid anyways.

[SliverKing]

Players that don't check the paper slip before signing it are just stupid anyways.

Well of course thats what a Team Matchslip player is gonna say...

[rvs]

I vow that if a matchslip ever gets messed up and it doesn't get fixed that I will drop. That's pretty poor if you ask me.

I really don't like their draconian adherence to the matchslip.  It seems to me that if both players request the result be changed, and can produce bystanders to affirm that the results are other than what it says on the match slip, that a change should at least be considered.

I disagree. If you are too moronic to make sure you signed it correctly before you hand it in, it should NEVER be changed. It messes up the tournament anyway. Only if you find out before the round ends, THEN it can be changed. Otherwise, it's stupid.

[Toad]

Players that don't check the paper slip before signing it are just stupid anyways.

Well of course thats what a Team Matchslip player is gonna say...

No, that's what every judge says.

[The M.E.T.H.O.D]

God... Its not like your filling out a tax reform.

You write how many games you won, how many your opponent won, and sign the slip.  If someone goofed it he deserves the loss.  

[SliverKing]

Players that don't check the paper slip before signing it are just stupid anyways.

Well of course thats what a Team Matchslip player is gonna say...

No, that's what every judge says.

Every judge but me...

Seriously though, as long a the next round hasnt started yet, there is no harm done to the tournament to fix a match slip. I discussed this with L4 Sheldon Menary last year following the GENCON snafu, and he agreed, on the assumption that its caught before the next round starts.  HJ's (or TO's pushing their nose where it doesnt belong) who REFUSE to change the result are just being stubborn and lazy.

Yes its a stupid mistake, but its an easily solvable one, and as a judge tournament integrity is one of your big goals.  Once the next round has started, then you end up HURTING the tournament integrity by changing it and re-pairing the round, so at that point its too late.

[Toad]

That is correct, results are easily changed before the round starts. But usually, people notice their mistakes when looking at the pairings, and then It would take a lot of time to correct the mistake and re-order a pairing.

The best thing to do here is to swap the two players, then change the results, then re-pair the two players against the right opponents manually. Nevertheless, that takes some time and recquires a good knowledge of the DCI Reporter.

[kl0wn]

I thought you were just supposed to re-pair and re-play the round in question.

[Jebus]

Bad judges make baby Jebus cry.

[Jacob Orlove]

I thought you were just supposed to re-pair and re-play the round in question.

Then you could play round 2 a second time. How good! Is there any chance that you'd also get to mysteriously skip round 8? After all, no one likes round 8 anyway.

[Hi-Val]

I played Teh D4RG0N against Jon Patch (Soupboy) playing D7 and went into that mysterious realm between light and shadow known as Game 4. Round 1, I had a first-turn kill but forgot to drop the fscking mox in my hand to generate the infinites, so I had to throw the game into a loop. Game 2 gave me a win after he forgot to sac LED in response to Wheel and game three and four he went broken.

Game 4 involved our evil doppelgangers duelling in a parallel dimension.

[Vegeta2711]

Game 4 involved our evil doppelgangers duelling in a parallel dimension.

So you guys decided to play Yu-gi-oh for the 4th game?

[jpmeyer]

Oh that's hot.

[ELD]

I started a reply earlier and had to stop to take care of some stuff.  I wanted to cover some points about match slips that are important to me even though this thread moved away from the discussion.  

I have a problem with winning when I do not deserve it.  Let me be clear, I am always there to win.  I'm not talking about play errors or jedi mind tricks (as they are often called)  I've had opponents scoop it up to yawgmoth's will when the only way I can win is demonic for gorilla shaman and administering a beating over the course of 10 turns.  I would never stop an opponent from scooping it up even though it is clearly not the right play for them.  This is directly related to the gameplay.  The scoop is a result of a scenario I've created, whether real or not, it appears to be a hopeless fight.  

On the other hand, I was down at the cape this weekend and I lost a match to a young kid because I felt the judge was in error.  We were in game 3 and he called 5 turns.  I had recieved a phone call at the beginning of the match, and by checking my phone, I saw that the round had only been going for 30 minutes since the call.  I protested, got the time adjusted and proceeded to lose.  It would have been much better for me to just take the draw as it was an unfavorable match up.  I could have easily gone on to win the next round (which I did) and proceed to top 8 (which I did not)  I did this because it was obvious to me that it was the right thing to do.  The sportsman's thing to do.  Something that I could be comfortable with when looking back at how I conducted myself.  

Incorrect slips really strike a nerve with me.  As magic players we really aren't responsible for very much.  We need to make sure that our decks are legal.  We need to make sure that anything we sign is true, including our match result slips, are correct.  That is, afterall, what we are saying when we sign a decklist or a match result slip.  We are giving our word that it is accurate.  My word means something to me, and to anyone who knows me.  

I believe the match slip mistake is the same as other issues that have I have discussed in the past in regards to personal responsibility.  Let me draw a parrallel to golf.  I appreciate the integrity of golf, and growing up around the game I have seen it produce alot of outstanding adults.  In golf you are responsible for your score.  If you report it incorrectly, you're disqualified.  It doesn't matter if you finished the tournament in the lead.  I believe that keeping one's own score, and being totally honest in penalizing oneself can profoundly influence a person and create an honest, responsible adult.  One can compete to the best of their abilities without losing thier integrity, their perspective on right and wrong or thier respect for their opponents.  In life and magic we need to take responsibility for ourselves and our actions.  Sure we make mistakes, but we should accept the penalties that go along with them as responsible adults.  

People seems split on these issues though the rules are quite clear.  You are responsible for your deck.  You are responsible for the result slips.  I would personally like to see a disqualification for anyone who signs an incorrect match slip.  If anyone fills out a slip incorrectly and then signs it, there is no excuse.  There really isn't any room for that kind of flagrent lack of respect for one's opponent and oneself.  The fact that it decided a tournament is very poor in my view.  

Well that's just my 2 cents.  I honestly think that if magic players were their responsible to their own integrity, there would be more civil players.  The code of ettique for magic is basically non-existant.  Many people feel that the attitude of tournament magic is alienating and at times shifty, rude and arrogant.  If players were encouraged when they do the right thing, and penalized when they don't perhaps we'd see a more sportsman-like field.

[Kerz]

Hey Guys, I'm reporting at about 6:00 AM, just getting back to my house from Ohio (seventeen hour drive). The deal with that Saturday tourney was just that Steve (admittedly savagely) lost to Belcher, but the slip got filled out wrong, and while "feeling really bad about it" he grabbed a win at 6-0. I didn't really mind, but with myself having the best tiebreakers of the 5-1's, I would have most likely won the tournament. I only legitimately lost one match (Stax) in game 3, due to some mull to 6/landscrew action.

[rvs]

For me, it came down to the last round to determine second (loser would place out of prize range), and I conceeded to a guy who cared about his rating in exchange for a prize split.

So, collusion too? What a great tournament that must be