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« on: July 12, 2004, 12:15:39 am »

I tried to post this last night, but my ISP was being a bitch.

Oh well...

In Duelmen, they switch from card prizes to booster prizes, since the price of  single cards has gone up to much Surprised - now they award boosters to the top32, with 2.5 booster available per entrant. It's safe to say, I will never go to Duelmen again. (do note, that as opposed to other euro-tournament, they charge 12 euros to enter).
There were 112 players present.

Anyway, all first with 18 points, ties being the decider.
1st Serge Metz, Madness
2nd German guy, Charbelcher (same guy that t8s with it b4)
3rd Carsten, Keepar
4th Carsten friend, Fish
5th Danish guy, Keepar
6-9 is 5-1-1, and OBVIOUSLY, I GOT PAIRED DOWN FUCKING TWICE, SO I HAVE THE WORST.TIES.EVER, and finish 9th. Again Sad

My deck:
1 Gorilla Shaman
3 Psychatog
4 Force of Will
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Mox Jet
3 Cunning Wish
4 Mana Drain
4 Brainstorm
4 Accumulated Knowledge
1 Mana Crypt
1 Demonic Tutor
3 Intuition
2 Deep Analysis
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Time Walk
3 Duress
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Library of Alexandria
2 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Underground Sea


SB:
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Naturalize
1 Gorilla Shaman
1 Fire/Ice
1 Pernicious Deed
2 Blue Elemental Blast
1 Oxidize
1 Gush
1 Coffin Purge
1 Deep Analysis
1 Berserk
1 Rack and Ruin

about the deck: I don't actually own a mind twist anymore, and since azhrei seemed to think 3 duress was more consistent, I figured I might as well give it a try. Well, to be honest, Duress in totally pretty much sucked that day. So did Deed. So they will be the first on the chopping block if I want to cut anything.
In the sideboard, I'm really happy with the Oxidize -- Naturalize -- Rack and Ruin configuration (although I haven't casted rack and ruin all day). It's a really good setup to deal with problem permanents.
Fire/Ice should probably change into firestorm, but I don't have one of those either.

I might write some small coverage of my matches tonight.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2004, 02:16:48 am »

Cheers to Serge! Guys coming from Paris to take Duelmen with Madness rock Smile
Sad for him he won only boosters (boo).

Well, at least Karlsruhe organizers are thinking about changing from booster to card prizes, as this will attract more people.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2004, 04:04:20 am »

how many boosters? just sell them i dont see the problem.

wicked madness won Very Happy RESPECT TEH AGGRO COCK BITCHES.

Someone have access to the decklists hurry and post them Smile
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 04:38:55 am »

I think there were 109 players.

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I've always found Duelmen prizes ridiculous (I go for the good competition and to meet people), but this has to be a joke.

I wonder how they do their maths:
109 x 12 = 1308 EUR

Can't they give away a power card (which is less that a quarter of the money they get for the T1)?

Serge was playing a meta-gamed G/R version with:
3 Gorilla Shaman
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
serveral basic lands and off-colour moxen

The rest was standard stuff.

I guess we will bow before Womprax to get decklists.

The tournament wasn't that great for me, I played Vengeur Masqué again (I was ill so I needed a deck I could auto-pilot).
Main deck Chains of Mephistopheles paid off vs Draw7 and belcher, but I lost to drain slaver and twice to mono-red goblins Sad
So, a disappointing 4-3-0.

Not the worst part of the day though,as we were stuck 2:30 in a traffic jam in Eindhoven that sucked BIG time.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2004, 04:54:06 am »

Hmm. Yeah, boosters aren't exactly the best prize ever, especially since selling them isn't often that straightforward. Boosters are like a Type 2 prize. What was the split of boosters among the top 32 then? Congrats on getting that close to top 8 out of 112 people (even though I do not respect your evil choice of deck).
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2004, 06:43:16 am »

@Rudy: Naturalize, how many times did you need it to blow up enchantments? If you don´t want to run Artifact Mutation because of the casting cost, maybe you should consider:

Tel-Jilad Justice
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Goblins > Vengeur, hehehe.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2004, 08:38:38 am »

Dülmen Top8 decks online Very Happy
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2004, 01:57:04 pm »

I used to to blow up an enchantment 3 times, which is why I'm so satisfied with it. I considered the justice, but didn't have one on me at the time, so figured naturalize would have to do. In the end, I was pretty happy with it. (I blew up 2 zombie infestations, and 1 sulfuric vortex. The vortex was pretty much lethal, and blowing it up won me the game in the end Very Happy)

Serge won a box I think. I got 8 boosters. Do the math how bad the prices are. 1st used to be like a Library, which is >>> 1 Box. 9th could still fetch a BB dual (okay, so maybe a plateau or savvanah, but still, it's BB duals!).

I agree with Carl, they are full of shit. Boosters are madly cheap for them since they get them at wholesale, AND they can substract the expense of them from taxes, something you can't do with singles.

@Wu: don't forget, he won on TIEBREAKERS. Tiebreakers are often (note, often, it's not always the case!) the result of pure luck in the pairings. I got paired down twice, so I wasn't in 5th or higher. I'll also let you know I lost when paired down, and drew when paired down. :/

Short rundown of my games:

Round1: Stacker
He starts with Mountain, scroll. He repeats that in turn2 while I build up to intuition. I draw some cards, he burns me some. I duress him, and see 3(!!) scrapnel blasts. I'm keeping my counters back for them, but the scrolls are starting to get annoying.
At some point I deed away his board, he blasts me twice, I stop one of them, figuring I can take another 5 to put me down to 10. I drain his TD Su-Chi, Will, draw 7, drop tog, time walk, and beat face.

I take out 3 duress, 1 intuition, 1 wish for 2 bebs, deed, rack and ruin and naturalize. I figured I wouldn't need a 2nd mox monkey, since it dies so quickly (he had bolts + chains too), and it can only eat scrolls + moxen, while he has blasts.

He mulls to 4.
He drops Ankh on turn2 after I timewalked, and have like 6 mana already with the help of some moxen, so he takes damage from the ank 3 times before I have to actually play a land to do something. I manage to neuter his treaths for a while, but I can't seem to draw into any gas. I use 4 brainstorms, but don't want to fetch until I deed. When I deed, he immediately recovers by burning my ass to the ground.

So, I figure I put in 2 duress, for a monkey and something else. I think I took out Rack and Ruin again. He had sided in 8 blasts btw, that's why I wanted duress back. I figured he would have 4, but well :/

He slowly tries to take away my life with a few bolts and scroll, but I stabalize pretty early. I let him scrapnel and scroll me, before I simply just  draw too much gas for him to handle. I deed, duress, drop tog, and kill him next turn.

Round 2: BG Sui
We both fetch some lands, he doesn't really do much, I draw a few cards, drain his negator, draw some more, drop tog, get edicted since I didn't have a fow. I drop another tog, he drops a guy. I fire the guy, I beat, I beat and berserk. GG

I have no clue how I sided. I'm sure I sided in Deed, and I think naturalize (he had sphere g1 actually, he went turn1 ritual sphere, now I remember, it was such a bad play lol),, and I think I took out the 2 deep anals.

Anyway, Game 2 is a lot closer, with him resolving an early deed after my early tog. I manages to hit me once with negator before I deed away the board. I fow his choke after letting nantuko shade resolve (I'm at 0 cards now). I manage to TD and he taps out, so I fire his guy, while I"m at 4. I drain his negator into my will, draw like 13 cards, drop tog, timewalk, and go to town.

Match 3: Kim Kluck, Germbus
I trashtalk a bit, Kim fails to come up with any response. I win the pre-game! Very Happy
Germans are so bad at trashtalking...
Game 1 I resolve T1 ancestral in response to his brainstorm, with my fow countering his. Then he tries his ancestral next turn, but I drew a fow off mine, so I stop it. Then he never gets back in it.

I take out Deed, Intuition, Wish for Monkey, 2 Rebs, Deep Anal. I have no clue what I took out in favor of deep anal.

I keep a "if you have no wasteland right now my loa will fucking 0wn j00-hand" - he had 2 wastelands, and I lose.

Game3 is really interesting, with both of us resolving tutor effects, but no real draw-spells. At some point we both resolve a draw spell I think, and he resolves angel while I drop my 2nd tog on the board. He hits me after I hit him for 1, and then I draw a zillion cards and manage to do exactly enough damage to kill him Smile

R4: Against the guy who got 8th in the end, paired down :/
G1 he counters everything I play, and at some point his Tog does me in.
G2 he counters everything I play again, and this time it's the 3rd zombie infestation that kills me. Both games he got Bazaar + multiple squees online VERY quickly.

R5: Christoph Goeth, Goblins /w sulferic vortex MD

I go down pretty low from his beats, but Deed his board, then will, and deed his board again later. Then I drop a tog when my graveyard is twice as thick as my deck after I draw a gazillion cards.

I side out 2 deep anal, mox monkey, 1 duress for 2 beb and deed and naturalize.

I'm not sure exacly what happened, but I know this game took long, since almost every possible life total is on my life sheet. My life went like 19-18-17-14-11-8-7-6-5-3-2-1. His went 20-19-dead. you figure it out Smile

R6: UGR Madness
He drops beats, I drop tog and draw a few cards, he gets me down to 1, I get him down to 0 by doing exactly 19 dmg with a berserked tog. He made a mistake here with 1 card in hand, no madness outlet. I knew it was logic . So I had to duress him, or I'd be fucked if I played Wish. I DT, he at first taps his mana. Then untaps, signaling it's going to resolve. I say: You sure you won't play that logic, I know you have it (or something like that). For some reason, he then decides to play it. So I deal 19.  Yes, he used a fetchland Smile

I side out 2 deep anal, mox monkey, wish for deed, fire/ice and 2 bebs. I figured he had burn spells MD and would side in rebs. I'm not sure if he did any of that anyway.

Game2 I lose. On turn 3. It could've been turn2, but he fucked that up. It didn't matter.

Game3 I mull into a pretty good hand. I fow his mongrel, then drain another one. He drops rootwalla, go. I draw cards, tutor, duress him to take his logic. He has squee + wurm in hand. I wait until he tries to play wurm, which I drain, and use to set up a pretty good will. I'm already at like 7 though from his rootwalla (it took a while for me to draw real gas, and he didn't play his wurm soon enough for me to drain :p). He had Squee and walla staring down my tog. I fire them, and berserk for 20 damage exactly.

R7: Paired down AGAIN, against a nice guy playing FCG

Game1 it's 50/50 for a LONG time, but then he manages to get piledriver going. He could've done it faster if he recruitered more straightforward, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't play T1 on a regular basis.

I take out 2 deep anal, mox monkey for 2 beb and deed. I might've taken out Duress for naturalize, but not sure.

Game2: I'm not sure exactly how it went (it was a very, very long game). He kept recruiting for the wrong guys (he should've straighforward go for 4x piledriver, since I can never, ever deal with them). Also, My crypt decides to not crap out on me and saves my ass for only dealing me damage 4 times in like 12 turns! So lucky!
Anyway, at some point when I'm close to decking myself, I manage to get a tog through and kill him. Just when we drew our opening 7 for game 3, time is called, and it's a draw, since there's no active player yet.

It wasn't as detailed as I would normally write it, but I didn't take much notes.

Btw, during the tournament I asked the TO why they changed prize structure, and he claimed over 50% of the T1 population said they would prefer boosters over single cards, which was the main reason they changed. Well, it's probably BS, since after hearing that and asking around, nobody stepped forward to claim they liked booster prices. Well, whatever.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2004, 05:51:14 pm »

I went 5-2 and placed 12th, playing the CAB GermBus-List with Emerald in place of the fourth Tundra. I still got 7 Boosters, which is probably okay that low in the standings. I lost against Serge, and I just dig his deck. It's really cool, I think. He deserved the win, congratulations!

Met some Dutchies -- cool people all the way, can't play Magic, though. Razz

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Btw, during the tournament I asked the TO why they changed prize structure, and he claimed over 50% of the T1 population said they would prefer boosters over single cards, which was the main reason they changed. Well, it's probably BS, since after hearing that and asking around, nobody stepped forward to claim they liked booster prices. Well, whatever.

IIRC, most Dülmen winners have taken Boosters over cards in the past, when offered. If you win a Juzam and get 2 1/2 Boxes for it, or if there is just NOTHING in the prizes you want or need, that's a deal.* The new prize payout, however, is plain crap. The Trader people say they can't afford better prizes; they are so fucking wrong. Carl's calculation is dead on. Even if they pay for the location and the judges (don't know if they do), they have more than enough money for a decent prize support. Especially since they NEVER sell their P9 at the prizes they charge, not even in the current hype, they could easily throw out a Mox.
Even if they just split two displays among the T8 as prizes besides a Mox, it'd be fair. But now... I am going to pay even less visits there from now on, that's for sure.

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*Don't argue; maybe YOU can sell a Juzam, but you don't live here, period. Smile
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2004, 09:43:54 pm »

Rudy you need to play my updated tog list Wink.  Your list is so what I played three months ago.

BTW, THANK GOD a fish deck finally infiltrated your area.  It is the first and it won't be the last.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2004, 11:43:51 pm »

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@Wu: don't forget, he won on TIEBREAKERS. Tiebreakers are often (note, often, it's not always the case!) the result of pure luck in the pairings. I got paired down twice, so I wasn't in 5th or higher. I'll also let you know I lost when paired down, and drew when paired down. :/


yeah i understand tiebreakers Wink but if you are going to say this t8 is trivial, are all dulmen t8s not just as trivial?
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2004, 12:08:22 am »

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Rudy you need to play my updated tog list Wink.  Your list is so what I played three months ago.

BTW, THANK GOD a fish deck finally infiltrated your area.  It is the first and it won't be the last.


a)Where is it? - b)What's so wrong with my list? Surprised

@wu: yes, indeed they are.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2004, 12:19:32 am »

good stuff. oh and its the suckness you didnt make it in.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2004, 01:29:07 am »

@Morefling:
You lost to Ankh Sligh after it mulliganed to 4???  :shock:

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He had sided in 8 blasts btw, that's why I wanted duress back. I figured he would have 4, but well :/


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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2004, 02:08:23 am »

I blame Ze Germans for putting Zombie Infestation into the realm of Type One playable cards. Oh well. Interesting T8 at any rate.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2004, 05:26:21 am »

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Match 3: Kim Kluck, Germbus
I trashtalk a bit, Kim fails to come up with any response. I win the pre-game!
Germans are so bad at trashtalking...


Grmbl... I didnt understand one single word of what you said and not only because my English isnt very good, just because you spoke dutch english Wink. I understand all your posts, but if I want to talk to you, it's really hard, so sry again.

I went 3-4 btw. and totally crapped out vs. Mandess and Sligh in the three following rounds after the meeting with Rudy.

I'll definatley going for something different next time, after the 4th round I didn't feel confident with Keeper anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2004, 11:45:07 am »

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You lost to Ankh Sligh after it mulliganed to 4???  :shock:

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He had sided in 8 blasts btw, that's why I wanted duress back. I figured he would have 4, but well :/


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It was stacker. I guess.... - anyway, my deck must've felt sorry for him, since I crushed him when he kept 7 cards. It was weird. My deck just kept giving me land. Ancestral netted 3 lands, AK for 3 netted 2 lands and a mox. That kind of shit :/
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