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Author Topic: [Tournament Report] R/g Beatz takes 1st place in Findlay, OH  (Read 15818 times)
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« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2004, 03:04:23 pm »

Everyone is throwing around the ideas of maindeck Naturzliae and md Artifact mutation, well IMHO you never want more maindeck hate than you absolutely need.  More hate=less threats, and against decks that the hate doesn't affect, those less threats are whats going to cost you a game.  Artifact mutation>>>>naturalize in the current meta with Plat Angel/Gilded Lotus/Sundering Titan bouncing around.  I even beleive that you can target a Darksteel Collossus with it, and even though it doesn't get destroyed you still get 11 sap tokens (same as mana drain and a uncounterable spell).  And if you fear dragon in your meta, Tormod's Crypt>>>>>Naturzlize, simply based on the fat that you will almost never have 2 mana saved up to cast the Naturalize as you want to be dropping threats, and also if they go off first turn of 2nd you won't even have the mana yet, while with Crypt at 0 you can easily drop it on turn 1, and it also doesn't allow your opponent to save a Counterspell, either they have Force of Will or your first turn crypt is golden.  So all in all:

Artifact Mutation>>>Naturalize
Tormod's Crypt>>>>Naturalize

Maybe if it was 1 green, then, but as a Disenchant copy, well when was the last time you seen someone play Disenchant?  2001 Keeper?  It's funny to think that a 2CC instant that takes out half the important permanents in the game would be too slow.  Man I am getting old. Confused
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2004, 04:37:37 pm »

You're right, the R/g Beats deck struggles against Dragon.  The decks MD'ing Naturalize are the ones using cursed scroll rather than null rod.  Use null rod and board Artifact mutation.  Keep the threat level high in the deck by keep the rancors  MD.    IMHO, naturalize is not a good choice against Dragon.  Even if your naturalize the Animate dead, you'll still have a 7/7 Flying Trampling Dragon on the table.  I also do not think Crypt is strong enough against Dragon.  A good dragon player will Necromancy around it.  I've typically used Crypt as my card of choice, but I find that it just isn't cutting it.  I believe Root Maze is what Dragon would fear most.   Their only choice with that in play is Deed or nothing.
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« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2004, 08:19:48 pm »

Rootmaze will stop them from going off but doesn't prevent them from, reanimating verdants, etc, to own you.  Crypt can.  It's purpose isn't to stop them from going off but to slow them down enough for you to kill them.  Animate then necromancy is 5 mana and they run 4-5 animates and 3 necromancies, thus this takes time for them to set up to effectivly play around crypt.

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Even if your naturalize the Animate dead, you'll still have a 7/7 Flying Trampling Dragon on the table.


If you naturalize the animate the dragon dies AND they lose all permenants.  It can also kill compulsions or at the worst function as cheap ld vs moxes.
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« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2004, 09:41:36 am »

I have always been a fan of MD 4 Naturalize, and when I played them, they always served their purpose. Especially in game one.

Sure, Mutation is better than Naturalize against artifacts, but Naturalize is more flexible. Its a metagame call, I would say.

Dragon is not heavily played, so you will most likely not need anything special against it. But if you expect to see a lot of Dragon, Naturalize are great, and Krosan Reclamation is the bomb Wink
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« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2007, 05:51:08 pm »

Been a long time since I been on here lol.  Anyone think that this deck could still be of any use in the current meta?  And changes?  Its been almost 2 years since I made this post, I am sure there are a few new cards that might make the cut. Very Happy
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« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2007, 07:05:54 pm »

Been a long time since I been on here lol.  Anyone think that this deck could still be of any use in the current meta?  And changes?  Its been almost 2 years since I made this post, I am sure there are a few new cards that might make the cut. Very Happy

Welcome back, but necro'ing a 3 year old thread = not good.  There's been a bunch of Rg beatz threads since then, so do some research with what's been posted and happening since 2004.  Also, take a refresh on the rules here  (e.g. don't bump old threads, particularly ones that are just asking for decklists).

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