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Question: Is Mountain Goat under played?  (Voting closed: September 15, 2004, 09:41:20 pm)
Yes, it's the best card EVAR, how could you play fish without it? - 8 (33.3%)
It's been solid in testing but I'm not sure - 3 (12.5%)
You stay away from my Goat, we have a very special relationship. - 13 (54.2%)
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Author Topic: [tech] New card for the Fish Mirror  (Read 3254 times)
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« on: August 31, 2004, 09:41:20 pm »

I was talking with some people tonight and we discovered a new card for the U/R fish mirror that we thought we should let you all in on.

Mountain Goat
R, 1/1
Mountainwalk

Mountain Goat is savage in the fish mirror because you can curiousity him and he's unblockable once they get a volc out.  He's also good against decks like Food Chain Goblins and Control Slaver.  Basically once you resolve a Goat you can ride him to victory against any non combo deck that runs mountains.
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 09:42:53 pm »

River Boa is obviously superior, but nobody can resist the urge to play a 1/1 mountainwalking monstrosity. What makes this good is that it has mountainwalk, so it is also good against FCG!
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 09:47:38 pm »

You've really struck on something here Hale, but I think your approach is wrong.  Why play an inferior deck when you can just play Invincible Counter Goat?

Here's a list.  We've been working on this one secretly for about two years, and I think it's time we let it out of the bag.

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kill
4 Mountain Goat
2 Soul Foundry

broken
4 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Tinker
1 Timetwister
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Isochron Scepter
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Glorious Anthem
1 Memory Jar
3 Blood Moon

counters
3 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
2 Mana Leak

tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor

mana
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
1 Strip Mine
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
2 Glimmervoid
1 Library of Alexandria
4 Island


You'll notice there's a lot of techy swing-plays here.  Glorious Anthem makes your goats simply stronger than your opponent's, and the manabase is designed to be goat-proof.  Soul Foundry + Goat automatically wins the game.  Basically, I took the engine of ICT (with its strong tutoring and infinite draw) and removed the weaker cards for Mountain Goat and its combo pieces.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 09:49:26 pm »



Um... pwnt.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2004, 09:50:10 pm »

Why on earth would you pay extra mana to give your man Goat's ability?
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2004, 09:54:28 pm »

Mountain Goat is tech vs. Fish, its not only a 1-drop to giveyou the speed that you need vs. this matchup, but you also do not need to worry about keeping mana open to regenrate it allowing you to use your mana as much as you want. If you combine this with the power of berserk to make it a 2/2 mountainwalk for a turn then you can get some tricks in on here.

Kowal, I think you are missing something in your decklist.
You should add 4x Wasteland and 4x Crucible so you can get a lock on your opponent allowing you to put them on a 20 turn clock, this not only demoralizes your opponent, but it allows you to get a win via broken-nes.

Glorious Anthem is amazing in this deck becuase it's good, simply put. It allows you to just beat up on your opponent. You should consider Vitalizing Wind to allow you to just trample right over your opponent for massive amounts of damage!
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2004, 09:57:34 pm »

Wasteland has bad synergy with mountainwalk.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2004, 09:57:45 pm »

I'm sorry, Kowal, but your Goat build is simply inferior to mine.  I present to all of you, the product of 1000+ hours of testing and winning seven tournaments with over four people in attendance: A Beautiful Goat (ABG).  The key element is that it runs maindeck solutions to Mountain Goat's greatest enemy: Genesis + Tarpan.

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THE OWNAGE
4 Mountain Goat

Combo
4 Scroll Rack
4 Land Tax
3 ZOrb

Control
4 Force of Will
3 Swords To Plowshares
1 Mind Twist
1 Balance
2 Back 2 Basics

Draw/Tutor/etc
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Regroth
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Yag. Will
2 Cunning Wish

Mana Sources
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus
5 Moxen
5 Plains
3 Islands
3 Gemstone Mine
2 Undiscovered Paradise
2 City of Brass
1 Strip Mine
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2004, 10:00:20 pm »

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2004, 10:01:32 pm »

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Wasteland has bad synergy with mountainwalk


Wasteland must be in this deck. When you have a 20 turn clock you want to lock your opponent out as fast as you can. You can kick them down to 1 mountain and then you win becuase they cant do anything else.
You should add more secret tech cards to this deck, once you land a glorious anthem you could throw in Engineered Plague for the mirror (Englitened Tutor for the Mox Jet) and name Goat, that way your opponent has no way at winning. Thats what i call tech!

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Land
4x Wooded Foothills
4x Bloodstained Mire
3x Volcanic Island
3x Taiga
3x Tropical Island
3x Bayou
1x Stripmine
4x Wasteland

Super Kill
4x Mountain Goat

Secures you the win
4x Crucible of Worlds
4x Swords to Plowshares
4x Oxidize
4x Diabolic Edict
4x Terror
4x Counterspell
4x Accumulated Knowledge
3x Brainstorm


That is the new 4 color control deck that I have been messing around with for a while. I believe that Mountain Goat is a far superior kill condition becuase it does not recuire 6 mana to hard cast, and you do not need to play it morphed.
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2004, 10:29:18 pm »

You're playing mountains and you're playing Mountain Goats, but not playing Anger?  Angry Goatses are hardcore.  

 Exclamation  This is the best combo deck eva.   Exclamation

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2004, 11:49:24 pm »

I don't see how everyone is missing the obvious combo of donate+mountain, then mountain goat. that's an ensured 20 turn clock.
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2004, 12:13:44 am »

yeah, evasion. I thought the deck with all the flyers was missing something.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2004, 01:37:57 am »

Damn

*Turns to eBay to get a playset of Mountain Goats*
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2004, 08:12:26 am »

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yeah, evasion. I thought the deck with all the flyers was missing something.


but it's fantastic in the mirror.  When they are running all fliers too flying isn't enough.  You need the hardcore raw power of a Goat.  

I also fear that having announced this monstrocity to the world we will now have to face such powerhouses from our gauntlet as Gro-a-Goat, Goat-Clamp, Tendrils of Goat, Counter-Goat and Goat Smash.  There is also the somewhat inconsistent 1-2 land Goat to be feared.

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2004, 08:14:01 am »

For fucks sake...[/color]
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