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« on: October 02, 2004, 11:35:36 pm »

As I was reading the text on CoK's Sensei's Divining Top, I thought to myself "self, this card is much like brainstorm, I wonder wether or not to use this instead?" While the divining top may cost one more mana to use, the mana required is not color specific giving it a slight advantage over brainstorm. But on the other hand, Brainstorm is an instant and will put a card into your hand unlike the Top which is an artifact. And to get a card you must put the top back on top of your library. But again on the other hand (yes, there are lots of other hands) brainstorm can only be used once (unless you have crazy top-decking abilities) and the Top can be used every turn, mana willing. I'm interested in hearing people's thoughs on the advantages and disadvantages of either card and wether or not the divining top will be a usefull asset in the future.

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2004, 11:41:15 pm »

Sensei's Divining Top is far less like Brainstorm than it is like Mirri's Guile. The principle advantages of Brainstorm are that it digs three cards deep, hides quality spells from Duress, et al. and that it can help eliminate dead draws when combined with a shuffler, such as a fetch land.

Sensei's Divining Top only really allows you to select the best of your top three cards for the cost of {1} each turn. Although the ability is vaguely inferiour to Mirri's Guile, Sensei's Divining Top does protect itself, by jumping back to the top of your library at instant speed.

However, my point is this: Sensei's Divining Top is really only comparable to a card that does not see play, rather than one that does. I very much doubt that it will replace Brainstorm, except perhaps in decks where consistent card quality is more important than the added functionality of Brainstorm.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2004, 03:26:25 am »

Brainstorm will let you optimize your opening hand, which is the most important first 7 cards that you draw during the game.

It pitches to FoW.  This alone should make Brainstorm the clear winner.

It tosses back conditional cards.

I guess I could see the Top being tested in non-blue Workshop decks
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2004, 04:30:06 am »

I saw Divining Top used in a bad "CoK" deck, badly, against my own bad deck.

However, despite it's Miri's Guile-ness and lack of Brainstorm-ness, it is in fact an artifact that is similar to Guile and Brainstorm.

For any kind of budget player, Divining Top give non-Blue decks a chance at deck manipulation.

I'm actually going to test this in crappy deck w/shuffle effects to see if I can get bad combos to work.

It may see play in bad decks to make them a bit better. (just for the love of god, don't put it on the top of your deck every single turn! Shuffle Dammit!)
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2004, 07:23:22 am »

Sensei's Divining Top is an horrible card in a Workshop deck with no shuffler effects. These decks would rather use Scroll Rack, and they don't even do it because It's bad too.

Actually, Sensei's Divining Top is not even really good in Standard.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2004, 10:05:32 am »

Actually i used to have a good friend who plated a version of Welder MUD that utilized scroll rack and was irritating as hell. As for the discussion of brainstorm and the divining top, does the fact that the divining top is not color dependant offer any use for mana-tight decks?
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2004, 10:13:36 am »

Just wanted to let ppl know:

Diving Top + Future Sight + Helm of Awakening= Draw your deck.
Throw random combo in that requires deck, win. :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2004, 11:22:40 am »

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2004, 11:26:13 am »

This thread is in fact too bad for newbie.  Locked.
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