moved from richmond to dayton and need to find people

[sucidedrain]

Recently, i moved from richmond, in to dayton, oh and i really am goin to miss play mtg. So here's the deal, i know that there people who play magic. so u guys need to post a comment on this page, for I know where i can find some people who play legacy, type 2, and of course type 1. Thank you for reading this comment and i hope to hear from somone here soon. :twisted:

[Hi-Val]

I see you're from Richmond, did you play at Tabletop Adventures at all? I am part of the Miami crew that shows up a lot. As far as playing goes, I don't know of anything in Dayton but there are sometimes Mox tournaments in Columbus. There's one coming up in late March and it's unlimited proxy. There are also big tournaments in Cleveland, Chicago, and sometimes Indianapolis. Sorry I can't help you with weekly stuff. I think there are a couple gaming stores around there though, and I know one at Tri-County mall has drafts on weekends.

[sucidedrain]

I played in richmond. I played with roland alot, i know who are and i think that i might start coming back on saturdays. I am thinkin about playin Sucide Black some saturday there, but it needs alot of work and it is goin to that me a little while to work on it with noone to play. Maybe i will see u guys soon, i am would like more info on the mox tournament.

[Hi-Val]

I just remembered there's a store in Kettering called Maverick's that does weekly Extended tournaments on Saturday nights. They have lots of singles but it's pretty expensive.

[Komatteru]

Indianapolis.  Well there's a tournament for a utterly gorgeous Mana Drain there next weekend (you can check out the details here), but not much goes on for Vintage there.  However, the owner of the store hosting that tournanment said that if the draw is good enough, she'll put on more of these tournaments, including for pieces of power, so that's a plus.  Indy is 2 hours from Dayton and really easy to find (I-70 West...that's it), so that's not too bad at all.  It might not be worth it for a Mana Drain, but I'd drive about 2 hours for a piece of power.

[sucidedrain]

i think that i might have to go to that store and see what is going down there. soo doug are u goin to keep playing at richmond? who won this friday. i think that might be playin sucide this comin friday!

[Hi-Val]

It's moved to Saturday afternoon Legacy at Tabletop, and I didn't end up going this week, but the Miami crew has been consistently tearing it up there. I won a few weeks ago with Enlightened Tutor control and I think Supergro won last time.

[12Chocobos]

most of the good players here in richmond use the 1.5 tournaments to test extended decks or play fun decks. So to say miami "consistently tearing it up there" when only two of them make top 4 eack week is wrong. The avg. player here started playing about Onslaught. Which means they don't have all the cards to make the T1 Legacy decks, so when people come from out of town that can play a deck with 20 some dual land and can get the old cards they should win 90% of the time. Oh yea the tournaments always look like this 3 richmonds players, 6 miami players.

[Hi-Val]

Wow, no need to be hating. 2/4 is 50%, which is pretty good. I'd just point you to the winners as well; every time the Oxford crew rolls in, we take first place barring I believe one time. I'm not saying this to discourage, only to say that when I say "tearing up" I can factually back up that claim. We always try to be good sports, and I've never had any problems with the local players either.

And I mean seriously, it's infinitely easy to make a playable Legacy deck out of an Extended cardpool or even with just newer sets. Hell, a deck like the extended Cerebral Assassin would rip the place up with Sundering Titans if everyone has duals. That deck is like 100% mirrodin artifact fat, goblin welders and exhume/reanimate. Definitely a cheap deck to throw together!

That aside, I am really looking forward to the unlimited proxy tournaments coming up for T1 at Tabletop.

[12Chocobos]

Sorry man, didn't want it to sound like I was hating but when me and a freind place 1st and 2nd (both from richmond) one week and I go online to the "richmond link here at themanadrain" to see Stick09 droping names for the oxford people not once saying anything about the people here in richmond kinda upset alot of us. Think about it, would you like it if pro players like Jon Finkel started coming to your local tournaments and your crew went 50/50 with them but all you hear online is how good the pro players are? Wouldn't be to nice would it. It just seems to us that every one thinks that all the people from richmond sucks or it's Strick09 that is given the impression that he thinks we all suck.

Oh well, who cares but the really problem is some of the younger high school kids have stoped playing magic because they think they are fighting a uphill battle in the 1.5 tournaments because they don't have all the older cards and I've tried to talk to the store about this problem but they think "It's good for them and they'll want to play vs. all the good 1.5 decks." I think that this will hurt the richmond metagame in the long run because if we don't get more new people playing the game then it's going to be the same old people over and over again and the game will become stagnant. The question now is how and should we get them back into magic?

And the answer is not type 2 because type 2 sucks right now.

[Hi-Val]

I've noticed that the metagame is really stagnating there, which is unfortunate. I thought that 1.5 would really take off. I need to talk to the store owners about unlimited proxy weekly T1, since they don't sell or have a lot of older cards anyway and it would get a lot of people interested as well.

I understand what you are saying about name dropping; there are some really good Richmond players, I'm just afraid that they're all bummed that the field is difficult and unfortunately, our wallets dictate that we win more than they do. It's because of this that I think unlimited proxy would be really neat, and it'd also be a good gear-up for a large tournament as well. Having a place to play weekly T1 for a cheap price would be hard to pass up.

[sucidedrain]

well i guess we will be seein who is goin to win tonight, the oxford kids or the locals. I really can't wait till i get the cards that i need. There are goin to be some new people rolling up in the stoe.

[bomholmm]

I think the biggest problem that is facing Richmond is that the store basically split its player base by starting friday night magic.  The locals get split up between playing standard on Friday and playing legacy on Saturday.  I know the guys from Miami only go to the legacy tournies on Saturday and ever since the Friday/Satruday split the numbers for legacy have gone from around 30 people per tournament to barely breaking 10.  It is kind of disapointing because prior to the split I felt the competition was really heating up and the top decks were always pretty good(local or MU). With the small turn out lately its been the MU guys playing each other and a bunch of red decks(haven't been to the last two so this may not be acurate).  All I know is I hope it picks back up because its a great place to play and I havn't met anyone I didn't like there.

Mike

[strick09]

Found this thread totally by accident while searching for something totally unrelated. Crazy.

Thought it would be fair to comment though, seeing as how I was specifically named

@Bomholmm:

I have to say I totally agree with you 100% about the "split factor" and thsi is something that I have brought up with the owners a number of times. Before we started FNM, I warned them of that potential problem (given that 90% of attendance were locals): with a finite amount of weekly cash, people will not be able to drop cash for two tournaments (or cash to purchase cards for both formats) EVERY week. The opinion of the owners was that Type II could potentially be more healthy for the store since Wizards will directly support that format (and it's better business).  With the death of Affinity, we're hoping we see a healthier turnout for Type 2.
I have talked ad nauseum with the owners about returning to Type 1.5 on Fridays and doing Draft or Standard Constructed on Saturdays (getting Arena Foil Promos for prizes instead of FNM cards....I keep hoping I'll see an FNM Foil Ancestral . The store wants to give FNM a little more time to see if it improves at all.

@12Chocobos (Ed? Tim?) said:

Sorry man, didn't want it to sound like I was hating but when me and a friend place 1st and 2nd (both from richmond) one week and I go online to the "richmond link here at themanadrain" to see Stick09 droping names for the oxford people not once saying anything about the people here in richmond kinda upset alot of us.

I am not sure specifically what you're talking about. I re-read my initial post here on TMD, and I re-read the stuff on the website regarding the 1.5 tournaments, and I feel that locals got an equal amount of mention to the Oxford crew. In my initial post I mention that "A few TMD'rs have come down and played." which is true (I would consider it implied that local players would be playing).    On the website I list the winners of every week up until December 10th, and had decklists where they were submitted. Not everyone submitted their decklists when asked.  
Like I said, I apologize for apparently alienating locals, but I don't see where I did that. Could you point me to where I do it?

@Hi-Val:
We tried Vintage unlimited proxy this past saturday and only had three people show up (from Indianapolis nonetheless...Hopkins, Simister, and Jason). I'm going to try to convince the owners to give it another shot. I really want to see this do well.

As a general comment:
Strictly speaking, there are several exceptionally good local players, and several of them have won tournaments around here (Tim, Ed, Brandon, etc.) Non-locals (such as the oxford crew) do have access to better cards, but they also, I am pretty sure, have been playing (competitively) longer as well. Grendal and myself both knew about this imbalance and sought to correct it in our mediocrely-received Vintage seminars. (we felt that learning vintage will improve legacy play, and is more fun because the card pool is more broken and exciting) I don't know if the poor attendance is because of a matter of time-availability an issue of ego or something else. I don't claim to be a deity of magic or whatever, but I read a lot of articles, forums, and do a lot of play-testing with the circle of geeks I hang with. I consider myself pretty well-informed about the older formats. So if you aren't showing up because you are bitter towards me/us or have an issue with feeling threatened, get over yourself. Come in and teach other people what you know!

These seminars were simply meant to improve the local meta and player knowledge so that when we *do* have a for-real Vintage tourney, the lesser experienced locals don't get their asses handed to them. I *WANT* to see the locals do well, I *WANT* to see them win. That was the whole reason we did these seminars -- It's like boot camp for Vintage.  Of the people who have attended EVERY (or nearly every) week, there have been HUGE improvements in play skill. Considering we charge nothing, and have been occasionally giving out revised DUALS as a prize for a free mock-tourney, I'm at a loss for why more people don't show up.

Bottom line: there *ARE* good local players. the oxford crew *does* consistently do well, regardless of whether they win or not. Cards can be acquired, and stuff in Legacy isn't all that ridiculously priced (most cards that are actually played top out at around 20 bucks apc, and have good reusability). Blaming it on "they had better cards" is a cop out, because you can always borrow or buy the cards you need, especially for legacy format. If I was constantly getting beat by the same person, local or not, I would ask them to help me improve my game/deck. There's nothing wrong with asking for help. The better local players should help the lesser experienced local players improve their game. Trey is the perfect example. I wish more players were like him. He's 9 or 10 years old but he knows how to ask and ask and ask until he understands it.

@Sucidedrain:
L, there used to be a card shop in the mall a few years ago that held tourneys... I don't know if they are now defunct or not. It was on the ground floor near one of the exits. Check the yellow pages for collectibles stores..there's gotta be one nearby.

[12Chocobos]

@strick09:

I remembered back at the old store you would come in with weird but fun decks like your "Willard the rat deck"  then all of the suddened you got your DCI judge status and you started acting like you have been a Magic Pro for years. From a local point it looked like you was selling us out for the oxford poeple. This was what it looked like but I know you didn't  do it on purpose.

I know I'm not the best magic player in the world and I have a long way to go before I'm a magic pro.

[strick09]

I remembered back at the old store you would come in with weird but fun decks like your "Willard the rat deck" then all of the suddened you got

Willard was a fun deck so was that other one....with the husks. I was a pretty crappy player back then and definitely a major johnny.

your DCI judge status and you started acting like you have been a Magic Pro for years. From a local point it looked like you were selling us out for the oxford poeple. This was what it looked like but I know you didn't do it on purpose.

During the interim between stores, Jamie, the Gill, and myself did a lot of practicing and competitive teching. I learned a *lot*. I went from "losing constantly" to "winning occasionally". I'm really happy with the progress I've made, and I -hardly- think that I'm done learning.  I may act cocky down at the store, wielding my Judge card and all, but I assure you it's all in fun. I do take judging seriously, though. Not because I feel that I am a superior player, but because I've spent a lot of time studying the CRules, reading up, and really trying to intimately understand the game.

The seminars weren't about me showing off my alleged Magic know-how, and I gladly defer the authority to Jamie on Vintage knowledge and playskill. He's played Vintage FAR longer than I have. The seminars were about giving locals a forum where they can seriously tech out and improve their playskill. I've learned a lot from practicing with him, and I wanted to share what I've learned. I may have come across a little arrogant... I can be like that sometimes.

I apologize that I made it seem that I was selling you guys out to the Oxford players. I was excited about having people from out of area coming up to play, so maybe that's what made it seem like that? No matter what I said or wrote though, believe me that there's nothing I've wanted more than to see local players win.

[bomholmm]

Myself(Mike B), Roland, Craig, Doug and the rest of the guys that come to Richmond with us don't get a chance to play competitive magic here in Oxford.  Table top is one of the best and closest places for us to play, especcially older formats(legacy, type 1).  Not many of us are really fans of standard, so we end up driving hours to play type 1(Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Chicago).

I'm excited that we have a place to play formats we like.  This thread makes us sound like some form of invading horde that just comes in to rape and pillage the locals.  We just love the game and found a great new place to play.  Before tabletop all we had was a local campus gaming club.

[12Chocobos]

I don't know whats going on with the magic scene at Table top but it's really dead right now. Last saturday they had a proxy T1 for cash and only 3 people showed up and they came from Indianapolis.

@bomholmm:

Sorry didn't want to make you sound like your a invading horde but that's the impression I get from the locals whenever I talk to them about the 1.5 tournaments.

@strick09:

I liked the idea of having a seminar for magic  but I knew it wouldn't work out to well here in richmond because every one thinks they are better then what they are and when you try to give them help they look at you like your stupid.

[strick09]

@12

Re: last saturday.... yeah and what's kind of funny is that the three people were Travis Hopkins & Michael Simister (the inventors of 2-land belcher) and their friend Jason.  They had 12 people show up for FNM, which is about normal as of late...   I'm not sure what's going on with the scene there either.

Re: the poor success of the seminars
There is DEFINITELY a problem with insecurities and egos, I've noticed. Some of the people there (and these are generally the players that either learn quicker or are good players anyways) are very comfortable with acknowledging that they DON'T know everything and taking advice from other people. But it seems many of the people are very reluctant to admit that.  I would almost venture to say it's even an age group thing. Trey (by far the youngest player) and Richard (one of the older players...he's married and has kid(s)) seem to both be most comfortable in asking questions.  

In any case -- I've been hoping that the unlimited proxy tourneys will eliminate the "i don't have cards as good as theirs" syndrome. Now all we need is attendees....

[Hi-Val]

Regarding the low attendance for the Vintage tournaments-- you started when all the Miami guys were on spring break! Give it a little more time, and we'll all be there on the last weekend of March, I think. That's a good 6+ people that should be showing up. I think that word will build about the tournaments too. Please tell the owners to not lose hope!

[strick09]

sounds good D-Lizzle. I suppose we could really hold a tournament with any amount of entrants (since it isn't sanctioned) -- I'll give Gillis notes on what to do for less than 8 people. The owners were wanting to alternate between legacy and vintage (week on week off). I'm still not sure if that's a good idea, for consistency's sake. I can just foresee problems with people coming in expecting one format and it being the other... I know they have a calendar but not everyone comes in throughout the week. But at the same time, I'd really like to see legacy tournaments do well, given that it is still a "new" format.

[allblackclothes]

@ all.

The store is not going to hold another vintage tourney. No one was showing up. We tried to hold three, and each time could not get up to the 8 count. The people who want to have them won't, or can't, show up.

To be completely honest, it is a total waste of the owner's time to support the vintage format. Simply put: The people who say they want a vintage scene won't even support it, and it was costing the store to lose the already small legacy crowd.

The legacy tournaments are up to around 10 people drawing from only local players. We have lowered the cost to $3 to draw in more players, and the prize will be packs, 1 per player split among top four or eight.

[strick09]

As sad as I am to see it happen, I know you're right :/ I had really high hopes that local players would play the more exciting vintage format, especially when acquiring the cards wouldn't be an issue --- oh well *sigh*

I really hope Legacy can pick back up to where it was a while back -- pulling a 20-30 person crowd weekly was great, good diversity.

[LordHomerCat]

On the topic at hand, I'm at UD in dayton.  On that store in Kettering, Mavericks, they rarely hold tourneys sadly, altho April 30th they're having a T2 (ya ya, i know its lame, but its soemthing at least).  I wish I could tell you about anything else, but the closest my friends and I can find any real tourneys is Cbus.

[allblackclothes]

@LordHomer

Tabletop Adventures in Richmond, Indiana has a type 2 tournament every Friday night. These are standard constructed tournaments, and the first Friday of each month is a draft.  The store also holds Legacy every Saturday, registration begins between 4 and 4:30, and we generally start around 5:00. You can check out www.worldofdorkness.com for more information.