[Discuss] What decks can come back now?

[Vegeta2711]

Fish can come back now, easily.

Bird Shit makes a fuckload more sense with it's worst matches gone.

Oshawa Stompy can safely come back since it no longer needs to worry about prison screwing with it.

Stacker can come back.

TnT might be viable again, I'm not sure.

Gro/GAT is definitely viable if it can find a way to make up for the fact that it isn't Oath.

Ravager is worthwhile again

Anything else I'm missing?

[Kasuras]

Oshawa Stompy can safely come back since it no longer needs to worry about prison screwing with it.

On the contrary: I believe we're not rid of prison just because of the lack of Trinisphere. Wasteland and Crucible are still around, and thus your main draw engine is still shut down. And the last time O. was around was when Control Slaver was non existant; Mana Draining a Roar of the Wurm has never been so scary before.

This will, however, mean that O. Stompy can now safely be played as a hate deck in particular metagames as where the fear of Trinisphere was one too big to overcome when choosing the deck.

Whether it will be a safe choice at any time however.. I highly doubt it.

[WilD]

Hrm... Perhaps also in a metagame Parfait might be a viable hate deck, and I think my Suicide Black deck will be making a showing at a tournament or two

[Smmenen]

Psychatog obviously will be a powerhouse again.

Also, I think it is worth mentioning that Dragon actually becomes even better now that it doesn't even have any problem with Stax anymore.

[IShHmokeDaNKs]

It's simple. Look at the decks that mysteriously disapeared at the time Trinisphere was printed. Dragon, GAT, Tog (this one is mroe dormant) and Deathlong. All those decks are now viable for a comeback. The logic in this theory is unmistakable, and I would highly recommend testing all of them. Meanwhile, I will replace Trinisphere with Sphere of Resistance and play Stacks.
-ISD

[AnFgangsta]

I belive sligh is going to come back strong for a short while as it always does when we forget about it. Ive noticed many decks, especially control have no protection against it, what happened to CoP: Red, and Chill? Many decks do poorly against Sligh, sure it does have a sort of glass ceiling but it has potential to do some serious damage in a tournament, so look out for it.
Besides new cards finding their way into the deck, and the fact some decks revolve around piecing combos together via losing life to spells like Spoils of the Vault  etc., the fact that everybody is downplaying the deck, and letting their guard down, has allowed Sligh to come back over and over again.

[Since97]

It's simple. Look at the decks that mysteriously disapeared at the time Trinisphere was printed. Dragon, GAT, Tog (this one is mroe dormant) and Deathlong. All those decks are now viable for a comeback. The logic in this theory is unmistakable, and I would highly recommend testing all of them. Meanwhile, I will replace Trinisphere with Sphere of Resistance and play Stacks.
-ISD

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[MrZuccinniHead]

Quoting that whole post just to laugh at it is a waste of space.
-Jacob

and i think that tog can comeback as well as some combo like deathlong, but I don't think fish can comeback.  It still has to overcome oath and workshop aggro.

[Kowal]

And, more importantly, Lava Dart.

[goobafish]

Fish won't be back that big. The restriction of trinisphere helps fish, but dosent make it vaible again. As long as Oath is dominant fish cannot survive. I say this as a fish player, fish will not make a comback anytime soon, but a properly metagamed fish deck with enough anti-oath cards can be semi viable.

[Whatever Works]

I believe people can finally consider Kobold-Clamp as a deck that can possibly come to a level of respect without trinisphere to give it an autoloss...

Tog/GAT odviously... Though GAT has more major obsticles preventing it from instantly returning to the tier 1.5...

Fish is better off then it was before, but that still doesnt mean that it will be tier 1, but it could possibly find a nitch as a deck that catches people offguard...

Belcher is by far the biggest winner, because no other deck as good as belcher was killed more by a single card. (tog is odviously a better deck but in respect to the ammount of impact a card had on the playability of a deck its not even close to belcher)

With 3sphere gone I can finally mess around with an affinity build using workshop/ancient tomb/arcbound crusher... make it run spheres... kill on turn 2-3... not auto losing to 1st turn 3sphere vs. 5/3 is a beautiful thing.

[ChaosTheory]

I think Tog and maybe Belcher will come back.

Belcher may still have a bit of a hard time with Sphere of Resistance, but nowhere near as hard of a time with no 3Sphere around now.

Fish could make a comeback, but I don't think it will be on the top yet.

With the lack of Null Rod being played in most decks as of late, some sort of Affinity deck may come around, maybe even Suicide Virus but only time will really tell.

[Komatteru]

Affinity (not Suicide Virus either) is a big winner.  I played Affinity for a short time back at the end of September, but it just rolled hardcore to first turn Trinisphere.  A friend of mine currently plays it, and while his build is not optimal, it is still very explosive and quite good.  It was very powerful against control, and could still survive through Energy Flux and even Null Rod (just don't play more than a couple artifact lands)/  I know Matt has mentioned it ("Mattfinity" I believe is how he described it).  I think it could be a real contender.

Perhaps other aggro such as Madness (Kowal's 3 color version, of course), Oshawa Stompy, and...well, that's all I can think of there.

[SecondDeath]

I would say give Fish a chance, but type 1 madness decks are such a boatload of fun to play.

Not sure why tog really went into submission.. the slaver build that ran intuition seemed popular enough (more importantly, similar enough to tog) to run.

[Matt]

Affinity (not Suicide Virus either) is a big winner.  I played Affinity for a short time back at the end of September, but it just rolled hardcore to first turn Trinisphere.  A friend of mine currently plays it, and while his build is not optimal, it is still very explosive and quite good.  It was very powerful against control, and could still survive through Energy Flux and even Null Rod (just don't play more than a couple artifact lands)/  I know Matt has mentioned it ("Mattfinity" I believe is how he described it).  I think it could be a real contender.

Perhaps other aggro such as Madness (Kowal's 3 color version, of course), Oshawa Stompy, and...well, that's all I can think of there.

On top of that, combo decks might stop packing Hurkyl's/Rebuild maindeck, which was a TOTAL KICK IN THE NUTS for affinity decks that were already 1-1.5 turns behind combo.

[Denney The Third]

Combo decks new and old will most likelycom flying back. Kobold/deathlong/stormten etc no longer have to worry about trinisphere and cantry to plow through everyone else now that their worst nightmare is most likely Force of Will.
I think decks Like 4CC may grow more popular because they have the power to deal with annoyances like Goblin welder and Oath. It was viable when Trinisphere was 4 to a deck, but was just really annoying to play out from under a lock.
What about negative effects?? With things like combo surging back i think Creature and burn based decks will get scorched and shoved out of the format even more. Who bothers trying to get in jackal pup beats when turn one their opponent can tendrils the with ease? Or try going wild mongrel go??
I think type one will have some archtypes brought back but some pushedeven further away.
Edited: said type 4 for some reason.

[Jacob Orlove]

Okay, this thread has moved from repetitive to off-topic. CLEANED. Keep it on topic. -Zherbus

[JACO]

On top of that, combo decks might stop packing Hurkyl's/Rebuild maindeck, which was a TOTAL KICK IN THE NUTS for affinity decks that were already 1-1.5 turns behind combo.

I can't speak for DeathLong, or God knows whatever people come up with to abuse Grim Tutor, but I can say that TPS will continue to run Rebuild. The fact that both it and Chain of Vapor can grossly up your storm count actually make them an integral part of the deck, which I don't think is going anywhere anytime soon.

To answer the topic on hand, I think Dryad based Gro variants will have the best shot of a 'comeback.' They were the best thing to use to beat other control decks, because of the quick clock and the massive counter/disruption base to force through critical things early in the game. I predict tons of people will play control to help keep combo in check, and as a result, Gro based variants will be able to take advantage of the resulting presence of Mana Drain based decks.