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« on: May 22, 2005, 08:13:07 pm »

So I made my way down to richmond this weekend.  I was gonna go solo but I got a phone call at 7pm friday from my friend anthony who wanted to go.  Another driver sounds good to me after having no sleep the night before and working all day.  So we leave CT at 11pm planning to arrive in richmond sometime around 7, enough time to check into the hotel and get a few hours sleep before the tournament started.  Well, the corvette dissagreed with the timeline, and decided to make it to richmond in 6 hours.  Hooray for extra sleep time.

Now for my amazing pile:


Mana:
1 strip mine
2 wastelands
4 workshops
4 gemstone mines
2 shivan reefs
2 city of brass
1 tolarian academy
5 moxes
1 black lotus
1 mana vault
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring

artifacts:

4 chalice of the void
2 null rods
2 crucible of worlds
4 juggernauts
1 darksteel colossus
1 duplicant
1 sundering titan


blue:

4 force of will
2 deep analysis
1 fact or fiction
1 copy artifact
1 time walk
1 ancestral recall
1 tinker
4 thirst for knowledge
1 mystical tutor


red:
4 welders


sideboard:
4 pyrostatic pillar
3 choke
2 blue elemental blast
2 hydroblast
2 eon hub
2 ray of revelation


Now, for things  I would change after the day.  the only maindeck slot I was debating on was either darksteel colossus or platinum angel.  The games I brought in colossus I was either already winning, or going to win, and the games I wish I had played angel I lost. 

As for sideboard I'd drop all 3 chokes, the card was useless when your running so much disruption maindeck already.  I would add another ray of revelation and 2 triskelions into the board to swap for null rods against small aggro decks like fish and food chain.

After playing some type 4 with Rich Todd and Ray  Round 1 pairings go up.

round 1:
wayne playing RGB  madness
He plays first turn rootwalla and my dilemma is solved as to what he's playing. My first turn consists of ruby welder gemstone ancestral jet pearl.  He plays another land and an aether vial.  I draw thirst off the top and cast drawing copy artifact titan and sapphire.  I drop titan in yard play sapphire and shivan reef weld in titan for jet, he gushes in response to me targeting lands, then I copy artifact titan.  He draws dead and we go to game 2

game 2 he plays again tropical island, go.  Once again i get first turn welder ancestral, and 2nd turn crucible strip mine online.  he plays an aether vial on his turn then I go and drop null rod and beat him down with a welder and a welded in juggernaut.

round 2:
chad playing cerebral assasin
I play with chalice for 0 and juggernaut first turn.  he plays first turn welder.  I draw nothing but mana sources the rest of the game and he does too much broken shit welding in titan and animating a triskelion to beat my ass.

game 2
I board in my 4 blue blast spells and draw 2 in my opening hand along with chalice sol ring 2 land and fact or fiction.  I go first turn chalice 0  land sol ring.  he plays welder turn 1 and 2 meeting a blue blast for each.  after the smoke clears I leave another chalice for 1 on the board after a FoF and tinker colossus the next turn for the win.

game 3
he goes stupid broken on his turn,  lotus mox  demonic tutor duress  ancestral, play bazaar  dump 2 squees and titan in grave.  I play shop mox juggernaut go on his turn he animates titan.  My turn I draw another mox and drop gemstone to thirst into lotus tinker and FoF  I drop lotus tinker out mox and get duplicant and swing with juggernaut.  on his turn he makes a questionable play error when he intuitions for time walk yawg will and tinker,  I give him time walk.  He casts it and on his walk turn, bazaars into platinum but no animate spell.  I swing for the win the next turn.

round 3
james playing madness
before the game starts we talk about how lame star wars dialogue was, and how mace windu died like a total bitch.
He plays very fast beats with a mongrel  and rootwalla and arrogant wurm getting me down to 2 life before i can get active welder with duplicant.  on my turn when he has his final creature out which is an aquamoeba, I cast juggernaut and copy artifact it which would have won the game the next turn, but I made a giant error.  after copying the jugg, I weld in duplicant to target his aquamoeba he responds by discarding wonder and arrogant wurm, which flies over and kills me the next turn.  If I had waited on the copy artifact I would have taken game 1.

game 2
I get first turn welder and 2nd turn crucible strip.  I almost cost myself the game by not casting chalice for 0 on turn 1.  He dropped 2 moxes and a land on his go.  He has 2 threats on board after I mystical up tinker with force of will in hand.  I have to make the choice of tinkering in colossus this turn or waiting till next turn and taking 6 more damage but having mana to cast force backup.  He has 2 cards in hand but has 1 blue mana open  I know he plays circular logic.  I decide that I have to get colossus in play this turn in order to live long enough to kill him, I go for it and he attempts to stifle the search ability of tinker.  I'm relived when he doesn't have a counter and win game 2 after chump blocking with a welder to stay alive for the kill.

game 3
he plays trop go, which i waste on my turn  He plays land go, I play crucible on 2nd turn which he circular logics.  he plays land and passes, I play shop and chalice for 2 with 2 mana open  he circular logics for 2 and I pay it.  next turn he plays land again and passes, I play welder and a juggernaut and he can't recover before juggernaut kills him.

round 4
rich playing U/W fish zheng style.
Finally I get my revenge on this deck, but unfortunately it comes at rich's expense who is a fellow new englander. 
Game 1 I get early crucible strip along with a welder and ancestral and He can't draw anything to get out of the strip lock.
game 2 I know he will side in energy flux  so I bring in my 2 eon hubs.   He plays first turn island go, I play first turn thirst which gets forced with removing a energy flux.  he plays land go My turn i play mana vault and juggernaut which resolves he plays sapphire land energy flux.  I have enough mana with my lands and mana vault to pay for juggernaut for 3 turns to kill him before he can find an answer.

round 5
I get paird with jeff who eventually made top 8 playing meandeck chalice oath
he mulligans to 5, I get a welder and chalice for 1 first turn.  I eventually beat him down with a juggernaut and welder until he hard casts an ancient hydra but that leaves him tapped out.  I play duplicant from my hand to imprint hydra then swing with my welder and juggernaut and spirit tokens for the win.

game 2
he oaths up pristine angel, I lose

game 3
he oaths up pristine angel, I lose

see a pattern there?  It sucks to play a deck with absolutely no answer to a pristine angel.

round 6
I get paired with Ray in a "feature match"  that has no one recording what happens.  We talk about a prize split because who ever wins the match will get to top 8  but It is just something I never have done in both playing magic, and at foxwoods at final tables of poker tournaments.  I just never do it.

game 1 he is on the play, and I could very well be in trouble  I keep a hand with no force and nothing but a juggernaut for first turn.  but I do have a 2nd turn sundering titan in case he stalls out.
I am lucky that he has to mull to 5 and plays land grant for taiga and welder  his hand has left: a lions eye diamond a cabal ritual a ESG and mana crypt.
On my turn I play the juggernaut off shop mox with sol ring and black lotus in play as well.  On his turn he plays mana crypt  hardcast ESG and then pass.  Ray says that I have way too much mana and he is right.  I attack with Jugg which he gang blocks with welder and ESG.  this was the only way I would resolve titan if he blocked with welder.  I play titan after combat saccing lotus and he dies 2 turns later from crypt and attack damage.

game 2:
he plays jet ritual duress takes my chailce.  plays cabal ritual and sol ring to play belcher.  I play welder on my turn with a mox and drop gemstone.  his turn he belches me to the dome and reveals 4 cards before taiga.  I take 8.  I cant weld his belcher out so I have to get lucky and do when I thirst for knowledge into null rod and discard it and weld it in.  I make a play error here where I could have just cast FoF instead because 1 card deeper was force of will, and I had another thirst in hand.  On his turn he top decks bayou to play oxidize from hand on null rod, and then kills my ass with belcher.

game 3
I get incredibly lucky with my hand of :tolarian academy mana crypt mox chalice for 1 and juggernaut leaving force of will and thirst in hand.  ray has to mull to 6 and has no play on his turn.  Juggernaut swings 4 times, but not before knutson comes over to rub in the fact that ray had a tinder wall in his grave he had to discard.  Ray says, I wouldn't even had been able to block his juggernaut.

round 7
This is where the first shady shit happens of the day, and it's agains the eventual winner mike who was playing food chain.  I know for a fact there are 10 people who will end up 5 -1 -1 after round 7.  And brass man is next to me talking about drawing with eric miller so they can both get in.  This guy is just being a total douche about drawing which leads me to believe that I can't get in if I draw.  I know nothing about the math side of pairings, so I tell him that we are going to play.  I know he is playing food chain goblins from watching him getting lucky as shit against brass man in round 1.  Game one goes something along the lines of first turn welder with 2nd turn online duplicant.  he lackeys in a kiki jiki on his turn.  I go to weld in the duplicant to target kiki jiki, he responds with targeting my duplicant for a copy with kiki jiki and then duplicanting my welder.  This guy is apparantly a pro player who plays type 2 often, and should know that you cant target someone elses permanants with kiki jiki.  I however being a total dumbass take him at his word and assume that was how the card works.  I knew it made copies of creatures, but did not know it had to be his own.  I lose that game because instead of having duplicant wreck his entire board with a welder, it only turns into a chump blocker for 1 turn then I get pwned by beats.  After game 1 I side in, and get ready for game 2.  His  3 friends that are surrounding him bring up the fact that he couldnt use kiki jiki to target one of my creatures.  I ask him about it and he puts on a stupid look like he didn't know then he offers me to draw the round instead of playing it out.  Im against the wall against a deck that can get stupid lucky sometimes so I decide its a better gamble to draw and rely on tie breakers then to play out the rest of the match.  It's a good thing we didnt play because we finished game 2 just to see what would happen, and he got 3 early wastelands and kicked my teeth in with piledrivers.

cut to top 8, I make it into 6th seed after sweating it out. Andy got 10th or 14th I couldn't remember so even if I had taken out the FCG player he would not have made top 8

Paired against david allen playing stax
I'm going to summarize from the SCG report because I was too tired to take notes at this point
dave plays and mulls to 6
He plays shop pearl mana vault crucible i play Waste Sapphire, and Sol Ring
he plays smokestack and tangle wire, he mulliganed to a lucky ass hand.
i tap out and have  nothing to do but play shop.  he locks me out with a sphere and all i can do is play lotus with another shop then welder and pearl i have to lose pearl and shop during my upkeep but wait for him to sac his 2 permanants before welding his stack out for a mox during his upkeep  he vamps for a balance and plays a mana crypt which leaves him with 0 cards 0 lands and 0 creatures.  I lose my board and hand and welder, but I have a win condition on board with his mana crypt which I was shocked he played.  I didnt seem worth the risk to play that to make me lose my last card when I have no board anyway.  It doesn't even matter because he top decks karn and beats my skull in with crucible and some other shit
game 2 I boards in 2 eon hubs
I play crypt gemstone crucible, he plays jet gemstone welder.  I thirst on my turn discarding titan and play jet.  He plays city and ancestral, I have ancestral and force in my hand  I can force his but I decide my 3 cards are gonna be infinitely better then any 3 he can draw.  he gets pearl and thirsts discarding a ruby.  I play my own ancestral and then workshop and duplicant to kill welder.  he plays wasteland and seal of cleansing I attack for 1 with duplicand then tinker into colossus and hardcast eon hub with shop and other mana he casts vamp tutor at my end step and I say, wow looks like duplicant.  And he does get duplicant.  But I force it pitching a deep analysis i smash for 12 with welder and dupe then he crop rotates and then dies.   
game 3 i figure he will be bringing in some kind of rack and ruin also I didnt see welder game 1 so i bring in 2 blue blast game 3
he keeps but I mull to 6

His first turn features Karn, Silver Golem off Mishra's Lotus, Mox Pearl, and Sol Ring. I play  Mox Emerald, Mox Ruby, Black Lotus, City of Brass, and Goblin Welder  Heres the part that gets me, the reporter says i make a critical error by playing the lotus mox and mox but I want him to commit all his non shop mana to killing my artifacts.  when he does, I break lotus for blue and thirst.  my land gets wasted after and i have only welder.  he plays crucible with shop. at least it wasnt a smokestack.  he proceeds the next 3 turns to attack with crucible and I just build my hand waiting for the right time to go for something broken.

im sitting on juggernaut workshop mana crypt and fact or fiction in hand and its my turn. 

 I play Mana Crypt, Weld it out for Black Lotus tap it for 2, break for blue mana. casts fof leaving 1 blue floating, and flip over Mana Vault, Null Rod, Mox Sapphire, Crucible of Worlds, and Force of Will. he makes a huge mistake putting null rod and vault and sapphire together.  I take vault sapphire and nullrod play my shop vault null rod and juggernaut

he wastes my shop and then plays smokestack.  during my upkeep i weld out mana vault for crucible and play city of brass then welder  he makes another incredible mistake by sacrificing his pearl during his upkeep when he could have just lost the land he had no artifacts in GY before that.  he wastes my land and plays a second smokestack.  on my turn i sac juggernaut then tinker in eon hub 
he plays city of brass ancestral  and passes, I swing for 5 and play land.  his turn he plays trisk off 2 workshops.  I have thirst in hand only.  I am a lucky fucker and draw force deep anal and duplicant, pitch duplicant and force the trisk.  he plays welder and passes.  i dupe his welder on his end step and weld my crucible back in with the second welder.  I weld in a sapphire play sol ring and then null rod and dave gets balance off the top and balances I lose 2 welders and weld the juggernaut for crucible.  I waste 2 of his colored sources after balance resolved and then mystical on his end step to get deep analysis.  at this point I am 1 land drop short of casting the DA so I have to stall for a turn before i can play land with crucible.  on his turn he plays seal of cleansing, and he STILL HAS 2 SMOKESTACKS ON THE BOARD.  I play another land and cast DA  for 2 useless cards, and he uses the seal of cleansing to kill....crucible of worlds?  total misplay.  He would have won the game if he destroyed eon hub instead and started locking me down with stacks.  I play land from hand and time walk then play welder off the top  he goes, and plays welder but its too late.  I weld in dupe to kill his welder then he plays land and passes, I draw ancestral and I weld out his crucible for mana crypt.  I make a big error here in not doing this like 10 turns earlier when i had the chance.  I could have locked his board so much faster.  he casts swords on my welder. and duplicant is beating him for 1  I end the game with the worst card in my deck : copy artifact on a duplicant to beat for 3 and win.

Just to note 1 thing, I would have not acted like so much of an ass If he didn't try to play rules lawyer in game 1 when I wastelanded his  workshop when he had a crucible in play.  I was under the impression that it was his end step, the judge said he also thought he was on his end step, but he said he never passed the turn and he got to replay his workshop.

semi finals against eric miller:
I play first turn welder then force his first turn illusionary mask.  he chalices for 0 then time twisters.  he hurky recalls me and plays a second mask and I drew another force and blue card off twister.  I play welder 2 and start beating.  He affs chalice for 1 and I play challice for 1 to lock out everything but thirst and jugg which i play next turn in addidtion to a null rod. juggernaut and welder beats seal the deal.

Game 2:
he gets first turn ground seal, and I feel like a jackass for not boarding at all, I could have brought in ray of revelation.i play mana crypt and chalice for 2 then pass, he wastes my shop  and plays trinisphere  I play gemstone and crucible and then welder the turn after.  My hand is ass with 3 total welders and a duplicant against a first turn ground seal.  I tinker in colossus and then he tinkers in platinum with hannah's custody in play and that seals game 2, I had no way to deal with plat.

Game 3:
I play 2 moxes academy mana vault and welder with FOF and force in hand.  He wastes my academy and I FoF in response getting jugg crucible waste waste null rod jugg and crucible went into grave yard and took 2 wastes and a rod.  I welded in crucible on my turn and replay academy and he vampirics on my end step to get lotus he breaks for blue and plays sol ring time walk and then hurkyls recall on me but i hardcast force.  on his time walk turn he plays crucible but no mask.  Juggernaut went unblocked for 4 turns and won.

finals against my round 7 opponent.  mike with food chain
I had a feeling the way our other match went my deck would just roll over and die to him, and it totally did.  I had a severe lack of colored mana in both games and he just put too much pressure on with wastelands and creatures.  There isn't even anything worth reporting in this match because it was so 1 sided.  I got pwned by food chain, YAY ! 

It does bother me alot that the top 8 could have very well been entirely different if I had read what kiki jiki did,  the chance of taking him out in round 7 would have been good after winning game 1.    But, I am happy with 2nd place and an ancestral recall.  I paid for my hotel room and gas by selling 10 boxes of commons to star city along with a bunch of crappy type 2 rares.    All in all, I had a good time and got a really shitty deck into top 8.

I forgot to mention how fucking hard it is to find a damn mcdonalds in richmond.  we drove up and down the highway for an hour looking for 1, but then had to settle for some take out grinders at midnight.


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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2005, 09:18:17 pm »

good tr mate, well done on 2nd place!

that was supremely dodgy with the kikijiki stuff...maybe thats what Zvi meant on scg.com when he said that we shouldn't let the pros into our format :shock:
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2005, 01:07:19 am »

Thanks for the report.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 03:14:45 am »

Congrats and thanks for the report. Note: you might want to add *spoiler* to the Star Wars related stuff. I haven't seen it yet due to not having the time...
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 06:39:01 am »

The KJ stuff was legit if you do it at EOT.  And most McDonalds in that part of the city are closed around midnight also...you wouldn't know that being from the north and all.  Wendy's and Taco Bell are usually your best bet on the late night fast food eats in Richmond.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 08:32:35 am »

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Paired against david allen playing stax
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he vamps for a balance and plays a mana crypt which leaves him with 0 cards 0 lands and 0 creatures.  I lose my board and hand and welder, but I have a win condition on board with his mana crypt which I was shocked he played.  I didnt seem worth the risk to play that to make me lose my last card when I have no board anyway. 

At this point, I believe you had 4 or 5 cards in hand.  Rather than let you keep your choice of the best of those, it was the right play to play the Crypt considering I was still at a fairly healthy 12 life with a deck still crammed with win conditions and ways to get rid of crypt (welders, tinker, karn, gorilla shaman, smokestacks, etc.)


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he casts vamp tutor at my end step and I say, wow looks like duplicant.  And he does get duplicant.  But I force it pitching a deep analysis

This is where having the full decklist rather than an "archetype" would have helped me.  They had told me I was playing against "Workshop aggro", and having not seen Force in game 1, this FoW came as a shock to me.  I'm mildly familiar with the Workshop Aggro archetype, and most lists do not run FoW.


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Heres the part that gets me, the reporter says i make a critical error by playing the lotus mox and mox but I want him to commit all his non shop mana to killing my artifacts. 

Interesting explanation for a complete misplay.

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he wastes my shop and then plays smokestack.  during my upkeep i weld out mana vault for crucible and play city of brass then welder  he makes another incredible mistake by sacrificing his pearl during his upkeep when he could have just lost the land he had no artifacts in GY before that. 


This is true - I totally wasn't thinking at this point.  I looked over at Null Rod and sacced the mox by instinct - a bad error indeed.


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I have thirst in hand only.  I am a lucky fucker and draw force deep anal and duplicant, pitch duplicant and force the trisk. 

I'm glad I didn't know that at the time - would have just added to the frustration.  It is Type 1 however, and broken spells and good luck are the norm.


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at this point I am 1 land drop short of casting the DA so I have to stall for a turn before i can play land with crucible.  on his turn he plays seal of cleansing, and he STILL HAS 2 SMOKESTACKS ON THE BOARD.  I play another land and cast DA  for 2 useless cards, and he uses the seal of cleansing to kill....crucible of worlds?  total misplay.  He would have won the game if he destroyed eon hub instead and started locking me down with stacks. 


I disagree, and I believe that most experienced Stax players in my position (assuming they really thought it out) would have made the same play.   Remember, the board had just been wiped clean.  At this point, our board position was similar.  Why would I want to start mindlessly blowing things up with Smokestack  (and I could not have locked you out - we each had one crucible) ?  You could have sacced Null Rod and had tons of mana available.  Instead, I had Crucible out and you had only 2 colored sources of mana.  The Stax-minded play is to hit your Crucible (your own moxen are already dead due to your Null Rod), take 2 turns to eliminate all your mana, and then just draw into anything and win.  Assuming you don't drop a welder w/in 2 turns, I will likely win...


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I play land from hand and time walk then play welder off the top 

And this was game.  The race was for the first player to drop welder.  Had I gotten mine first, I had Trike in grave (would have had to weld out his null rod first, but then I have welder control).  Instead, he got his first and had the Dupe in grave.  gg


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Just to note 1 thing, I would have not acted like so much of an ass If he didn't try to play rules lawyer in game 1 when I wastelanded his  workshop when he had a crucible in play.  I was under the impression that it was his end step, the judge said he also thought he was on his end step, but he said he never passed the turn and he got to replay his workshop.

To your credit, I didn't notice you acting badly in our match.  However, it is not rules-lawyering to enforce my right to finish my turn.  I still have no idea why you thought I had passed my turn when I didn't say "Go", "Done", "Your turn", or any other of my typical ways of completing a turn. 

Anyways, congrats on the 2nd place finish.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 08:47:43 am »

Congrats on your 2nd place finish.  But, we seem to see this same thing happening over and over where players are not catching obvious incorrect plays.  I'd like to understand why.

KJ is a T2 card with no errata.  What KJ can and can't do is as clear as day.  So, why do players repeatedly let other players influence their judgement instead of simply reading a card?  Or even better why not just call for a judge if you are not comfortable with a play?

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 11:16:03 am »

game 2
  I decide that I have to get colossus in play this turn in order to live long enough to kill him, I go for it and he attempts to stifle the search ability of tinker.  I'm relived when he doesn't have a counter and win game 2 after chump blocking with a welder to stay alive for the kill.


What happened here? Did you counter his stifle or not let him do it since its an illegal play?
Stifle counters activated or triggered abilities. The search portion of Tinker is simply part of the resolution of the spell.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 01:45:35 pm »

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sure if its HIS creatures....

the problem was that this guy with FCG was targeting OTHER players creatures which is a big no no....I wonder how many times people let him get away with it...we might have a very different winner and overall results otherwise
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 01:49:31 pm »

round 5
I get paird with jeff who eventually made top 8 playing meandeck chalice oath
he mulligans to 5, I get a welder and chalice for 1 first turn.  I eventually beat him down with a juggernaut and welder until he hard casts an ancient hydra but that leaves him tapped out.  I play duplicant from my hand to imprint hydra then swing with my welder and juggernaut and spirit tokens for the win.

game 2
he oaths up pristine angel, I lose

game 3
he oaths up pristine angel, I lose

see a pattern there?  It sucks to play a deck with absolutely no answer to a pristine angel.


A nice way to go around pristine angel is Mind Slaver. Maybe you should board one in the side. At least it would give you an option other than Colossus.
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 05:05:38 pm »

I have some questions about the kiki-jiki thing.  First of all, did he actually know how to use it correctly in the first place?  I assume he "knew" he couldn't do that with kiki-jiki but did it anyway, because afterall he is a pro and he should have a good idea of how cards interact.  If my hunch is correct, that is just sad that someone would do that to win.  The thing about the pro tour is that many of the people cheat to win from what I've heard.  An example is drawing an extra card when an opponent looks down, ect.  I haven't encountered it, but in giant PTQs I imagine it's a big problem.

Anyway, good job on piloting the stax deck.  I imagine it must of took a great deal of skill to get that far.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 05:34:37 pm »

regardless whether he did anything intentional or not, the only blame lies with me for not catching it.  It was still a great tournament.  the top 8 match against dave allen was one of the closest matches I have ever played, and I got lucky to win it.   It's better to be lucky then good any day.  and in response to dave saying I was trying to cover up a critical error, It did stop you from playing smokestack turn 2, and that is all I wanted to do.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2005, 06:58:56 pm »

As far as the KJ play error, I looked over the penalty guidelines.  There really is no way from stopping that kind of stuff other than catching it and saying it's illegal. I'd say it's most similar to F as it is a matter of illegal targeting.  That is a warning on all RELs. 

(112.   Procedural Error—Major

Definition
A major procedural error occurs when a player performs an unintentional, disruptive action at the tournament.

Examples
(A) A player fails to write her name on her decklist.
(B) A player replaces cards in his sealed deck with copies of the same card—without permission from a judge.
(C) A player does not sufficiently randomize her deck before presenting it to her opponent.
(D) A player leaves a large amount of garbage in the tournament area (such as uneaten food and/or food wrappers).
(E) A player in a Magic tournament plays Wrath of God (mana cost: 2WW) using one white mana and three colorless mana.
(F) A player in a Magic tournament attempts to play Pacifism on a creature with protection from white.
(G) A player shuffles his deck after an opponent has cut it.
(H) During her match, a player looks at her sideboard cards.
(I) A player has blackened out all the artwork on one of his Wrath of God cards. The card can no longer be distinguished by artwork alone.
(J) A player fails to reveal a morphed card when the game ends.
(K) Players fill out and submit an incorrect match slip. (Both players are penalized.)

Philosophy
Procedural errors vary significantly. The judge should adjust the penalty appropriately to reflect the level of tournament disruption.

Penalty
If the procedural error makes it impossible for a player to effectively complete the game or match in the allotted period of time, the judge should upgrade the penalty to a match/game loss.


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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2005, 12:41:44 am »

I played around with deck and I'm interested in how you play chalice in null rod.

Game 1, you're going first.
Do you always go for chalice for 0 immediately? Does it change depending on if you have played moxen? Do you wait to see what your opponent is playing?
What about 1? Also If you're going first but you don't have welder out yet, do you go for chalice for 1 early?
What if you have access to limited land based mana, like three or four, do you drop null rod?

I also would agree with you on the changes you suggested.
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 04:21:20 am »

game 3
he plays trop go, which i waste on my turn  He plays land go, I play crucible on 2nd turn which he circular logics.
How did he do that?
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2005, 08:59:03 am »

JuggernautGo, congratulations on the 2nd place finish. I have a question about the BEBs and hydroblasts in the sideboard. Did you use them mainly to kill welders and goblins? Why did you choose those cards over fire/ice?
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2005, 10:13:04 am »

in response to round 2, i intuitioned for those 3 cards because at that point in the game there was nothing else for me to get and i knew i was going to lose anyways so i just played it to see what was left. sure if i could have gotten animates or welders i would have, but since they were all in the graveyard i had no other choices. BTW congratulations on your 2nd place finish. great job.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2005, 01:58:12 pm »

Congratulations! Your deck was solid and (as far as I could see) you played it flawlessly (I was round one). I sided in a lot of problems for you game two, drew some, and succeeded in misplaying them (Goblin Welder and Artifact Mutation). I need a lot of practice again Welder decks.

Aside from Welder, the card the really messed me up was Duplicant. He was more of a problem than Sundering Titan (who is no small problem).
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