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Kowal
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« on: June 07, 2005, 04:48:12 pm »

I control a Chalice of the Void with three charge counters, and I announce Tinker sacrificing the Chalice as part of the cost.

Does the Chalice trigger, and will Tinker be countered?
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2005, 04:51:31 pm »

Sacrificing for Tinker is part of the cost, this means when Tinker goes on the stack chalice is already in the graveyard so you won't have any issues casting your Tinker.

The same works with Shrapnel Blast.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 08:55:04 am »

Sacrificing for Tinker is part of the cost, this means when Tinker goes on the stack chalice is already in the graveyard so you won't have any issues casting your Tinker.

That's very close, and the final answer is correct, but not quite technically accurate.  When Tinker is first announced, it actually goes on the stack (this is part of the very first step of playing any spell or ability).  However, abilities that trigger on spells being played (such as Chalice of the Void) do not actually trigger until the very last step of playing a spell at which time the spell is considered played.  Since the costs of Tinker are paid before this point, the Chalice will not be in play when the opportunity for its ability to trigger occurs.  See Rule 409.1i (and 409.1 in general).
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2005, 09:20:08 am »

what about meddling and something like death bomb?(makes u sac the mage as part of it's cost?)
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2005, 09:28:16 am »

what about meddling and something like death bomb?(makes u sac the mage as part of it's cost?)

No.  In this situation, you can't even announce the Death Bomb.  Because Meddling Mage prevents it from being played, rather than countering it (like Chalice does), you can't do anything if Meddling Mage was set to Death Bomb.
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 01:45:31 pm »

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