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« on: August 09, 2005, 03:16:40 pm »

Okay, I am creating this thread to figure out from people what is actually going on with the finalized set that is being created. I keep hearing different things about it, such as:

1. An Aztec setting, based on B/G and R/W color combos and poison counters.
2. The almost complete set that needed more big creatures, and was close to having a spoiler. This one had keywords from a lot of different sets, including kicker and morph.

In addition to these two things, it seems like right now on the boards a third concept for a set is being fleshed out, whether intentionally or unintentionally. This one looks like a set based around cascade and pack, and seems to look more interesting than the previous two ideas. So, my point is this: What is going on with the set in progress? Personally, I would support a set based aoround these two keywords, started from scratch from the master list, since the other set seems to have died. What is going on with the set?
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2005, 04:11:34 pm »

We have an almost finished set using a lot of the earlier designed cards. That one is basically completed at this point--we just have to playtest the cards and such. I'm not sure exactly who among Matt and Ephraim have all the spreadsheets for it.

An aztec set was proposed, and people have been creating cards for it intermittently.

Cascade is definitely deep enough to span an entire block with no trouble, but we haven't really focused on what sets we want to work on next. We could make our second set #1 in its own block, or we could release non-wizards sized sets, or anything.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 04:11:53 pm »

I never really liked the Aztec set, but yeah that one seems to be dormant. If people want to keep making cards for it that's fine but it won't be a real set until we have enough cards accumulated (like 200 or so) so until then it's a long-termproject.

The other set has been essentially completed (95%) for like nine months now, but Jacob and Bram and I have been really busy. And of course, just getting a spoiler isn't enough, it also has to be tested, and for that we need apprentice patches or mws libraries, which is the area wherein real holdup is taking place.

The pack/cascade one isn't a sure thing. I definitely like Cascade but so far the pack cards have been underwhelming. There's no overt push to make these into a set right now, and if I had to choose where to direct efforts I would want to get the first set out the door.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2005, 03:36:20 pm »

I'd be glad to help with the playtesting of the almost completed set, PM if I can help with anything. I don't need anything fancy to playtest, just give me a spoiler and I'll print out proxies to test with.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2005, 12:57:18 am »

I'd be glad to help with the playtesting of the almost completed set, PM if I can help with anything. I don't need anything fancy to playtest, just give me a spoiler and I'll print out proxies to test with.

Yeah, you sound like me about 2 months ago.  They are still too disorganized for testing so I never got to.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2005, 03:34:17 pm »

I can test, and if we get an apprentice patch set up (I doubt most of us have registered MWS), we can test online.  Actually, I think the MTGeditors can export to apprentice.  Has anyone done that, or should I go ahead and make an apprentice patch?
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2005, 05:46:55 pm »

I think you can use the MWS sets that registered users make even if you're not registered yourself.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2005, 06:27:36 pm »

I think you can use the MWS sets that registered users make even if you're not registered yourself.
Yeah, otherwise you'd be unable to add patches for the new expansions that come out.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2005, 06:56:23 pm »

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I can test, and if we get an apprentice patch set up (I doubt most of us have registered MWS), we can test online.  Actually, I think the MTGeditors can export to apprentice.  Has anyone done that, or should I go ahead and make an apprentice patch?

Sounds like a solid offer to me...
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 12:13:42 am »

Now you have Anusien, Mr. Zuccinihead and I to test this set, in addition to everyone else you previously had, so you now have incentive to get out a spoiler at the least. Hopefully, we may see it soon?
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2005, 12:19:30 am »

The dirty little secret of the set is what it's really waiting on is me finding someone to give me MS Office so I can open my own damn Excel spreadsheets.  Embarassed
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2005, 01:18:53 am »

http://www.openoffice.org

I use that, and it opens XL spreadsheets fine.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2005, 11:39:12 pm »

Okay, I got a complete spoiler. Who can/wants to make a MWS patch? I won't mince words, it's gonna be a LOT of data entry.

I used the Open Office software. This means I saved it in that format, so I don't actually know if Excel will open the spreadsheet.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 02:05:02 am »

Could you PM everyone that spreadsheet? If you save it in excel format, excel and open spreadsheet will be able to read it.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2005, 02:39:19 am »

<3 dowloading a 63MB package to convert an 18K file Wink

Anyway: I wanna get to work on making a definitive (testing) patch again, but I've some questions.

1. do we want an MWS patch or an Apprentice one? (I know how to make appr patches, and don't know how to do this for MWS but I just dowloaded it and noticed that it's a supported fuction in MWS so it can't be too hard to figure out).
2. does anyone know for sure that custom sets made by registered users can be used by everyone?
3. does MWS support a 'separate' custom set? (the problem with Apprentice patches is that you need to incorporate our set in cards.dat, which means that you can never d/l the latest official set from e-league and overwrite the old one, because that means you'll lose our set).

Also, I gather you can use MWS sets for drafting purposes as well as constructed. This is not the same for appr; for NetDraft, one needs to create a separate parch all over again.

If anyone can confirm #2 and #3, I'm gonna have to vote for MWS, I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2005, 10:29:47 am »

MWS allllllllllllll the way. It's superior in every respect as far as actual gameplay (except the lack of WackyLand). I don't know if it supports draft. The shuffler is still ass, but as bad as it is it's still better than apprentice's shuffler, and MWS supports Wishes and remembers tokens and lets you sort your library in alphabetical order (incredibly helpful when searching for a specific card) and so on.

I am really very sure that custom sets can be used by anyone. Otherwise, how would you ever update? Razz

Yes, you can have the custom sets be seperate. You just need to make your own library and load that instead of the MAIN master base one.
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2005, 02:44:13 pm »

If it is MWS I am totally in on testing.  I love playing new sets and poison counters rock my socks.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2005, 10:12:16 pm »

This topic died again! I need an update about the elusive "Set In Progress"!
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