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[Imsomniac101]

Extract just a pre-emptive for Tinker->Colossus. After that your opponent has little chance of winning because it is basically impossible for any deck to combo off against BS. Swords isn't very adequate vs Gifts because by the time they Tinker they will have plenty of counter magic to protect it. Yes Meddling Mage is good, but playing extra copies just makes it better.

Orim's chant is powerful. But if you want to play with Chant you would have to reconfigure the mana base, making your matchups vs Stax even weaker.

[doomhed]

Orim's chant is powerful. But if you want to play with Chant you would have to reconfigure the mana base, making your matchups vs Stax even weaker.

if you think the stax matchup is so bad, then why do you insist on cutting lands for cards we dont need? the stax matchup is the main reason to play 21 sources over the 17-19 everyone tries to use in this deck.

Extract is pretty good, but there are not too many things you wanna bring out for them. the cards in your main deck are as good or better than extract is. it is actually really good against oath.

[Imsomniac101]

Orim's chant is powerful. But if you want to play with Chant you would have to reconfigure the mana base, making your matchups vs Stax even weaker.

if you think the stax matchup is so bad, then why do you insist on cutting lands for cards we dont need? the stax matchup is the main reason to play 21 sources over the 17-19 everyone tries to use in this deck.

I've actually been mana-flooded more times than I've been mana-screwed. But that's probably because MWS has been showing me no love recently. Add to the fact that almost no-one plays Stax online

Extract is pretty good, but there are not too many things you wanna bring out for them. the cards in your main deck are as good or better than extract is. it is actually really good against oath.

Agreed. It is actually really difficult to sideboard with this deck as the maindeck is extremely tight already. I find that the maximum amount of cards I am able to bring in is 3 per game.
Extract is also a bomb against the increasingly popular Tinker-Colossus. That way you can just name cards that turn up more frequently and not have to worry about Tinker (ie TfK). However, against most control decks, I don't sideboard at all.

[Shikari]

But against Tinker + Collosus, all you need to do is name Tinker via Meddling Mage, keep a Swords to Plowshares in hand, or just make sure they don't have any moxen in play. Or you could simply counter it. I don't think Collosus warrents the slots Extract uses in the deck.

I've tried Orim's Chant, and it doesn't seem to work very well because its extremely conditional.

Stax is a pretty bad matchup against Birdshit...if they get a good opening hand. But Birdshit has answers to threats Stax has, so if you can just deny their key components, I think Stax will be one of the easiest matchups you can have (Since they don't have countermagix anyway).

Has anyone considered playing Kataki main instead of Null Rod? It doesn't nullify the mana production of moxen the turn after they come into play, since moxen produce 1 mana, and they need to pay 1 mana for upkeep. And its a beat stick too.

Pros and Cons over Null Rod & Kataki:

1) Null Rod stops ALL artifacts. Kataki only makes them pay upkeeps. However, moxen are the primary concern as people seldom use non-moxen-artifact with activated abilities now. Thus, their use is to primary stop moxen. Kataki lets them use the moxen for 1 turn (the turn they play it) before the upkeep costs hit next turn. Null Rod stops them outright.

2) Kataki is a 21 Beatstick. Null Rod isn't. Null Rod is a dead card agaisnt some decks. Kataki is never a head card being a 2/1 creature.

3) Kataki is cool. Null Rod does nothing... And is more expensive. 


Instead of 3 Null Rods main, would 2 Kataki and 1 Null Rod be better instead?

[Imsomniac101]

But against Tinker + Collosus, all you need to do is name Tinker via Meddling Mage, keep a Swords to Plowshares in hand, or just make sure they don't have any moxen in play. Or you could simply counter it. I don't think Collosus warrents the slots Extract uses in the deck.

This isn't true vs Gifts.dec. In the case of Gifts, StP is even deader (is that even a word?) than Extract.

Stax is a pretty bad matchup against Birdshit...if they get a good opening hand. But Birdshit has answers to threats Stax has, so if you can just deny their key components, I think Stax will be one of the easiest matchups you can have (Since they don't have countermagix anyway).

Stax is a bitter sweet matchup. On one hand they don't have counter magic or insane card draw; on the other hand they play the 2-3 cards that BS is afraid to see (Chalice, Cruci, and depending on build, Titan).