The Official SCG P9 Rochester Update Thread

[dicemanx]

DT for Recall was brought up because Most of the Canadians Were casting it for Recall on turn 6+.  I mean Recall on Turn 1-3 is a huge thing but on turn 6+ I myself like winning the game instead via yawg will or Tinker. Also it wasn't that they didn't have a hand they had 5-6 cards in hand after.  DT for Ancestral is great EARLY game late game DT for Ancestral is subpar to terrible. 

For all we know, this could be complete hyperbole or a case of "you don't know wtf you're talking about because you weren't in a position to assess the board position properly". Perhaps if you could have demonstrated how it was "supposed to be done", then we could watch you in the top 8 and learn. Now I'm not suggesting that a mistake *wasn't* made with DT, but given that there were few Canadians that actually PLAYED a DT in their deck, and given that they finished 5-2 or better (with 3 making t8), I'd give the benefit of doubt to them, not to you.   

By the way, the blanket statement that DT for Recall late game is "sub par to terrible" gives good insight into how valuable your opinion is in this case. Sorry. Unless you are talking about pointless trivial cases like "my opponent has nothing to stop me so why the hell would I get AR instead of Will and win", you might want to qualify your statements a little.

[goobafish]

late game DT for Ancestral is subpar to terrible.

I think that is one of the most straight up wrong comments I have ever heard. A 3 card advantage is good to amazing at anytime. In a control deck a recall can yeild much countermagic, control and possibly win coditions. If you DT for your win and cannot back it up it is useless. Getting a recall through DT is amazing at anytime because the draw can yield countermagic and/or win. Card advantage is always huge and even late game it can yield amazing results especially if your deck has been thinned out with fetches and the like.

[DirtyFrank]

Most of the Canadians Were casting it for Recall on turn 6+. 

I didn't do this.  Not even once.  But, its totally situational. Drawing 3 cards on turn 1 is good, drawing them on turn 6+ is also good if you are still battling for board position, etc.. Maybe there was a big counter war that emptied hands, etc... I don't think that anyone had "The Win" available and instead chose to Draw 3 cards.

"you don't know wtf you're talking about because you weren't in a position to assess the board position properly".

Quoted for truth.

[Razvan]

DT for Recall was brought up because Most of the Canadians Were casting it for Recall on turn 6+.  I mean Recall on Turn 1-3 is a huge thing but on turn 6+ I myself like winning the game instead via yawg will or Tinker. Also it wasn't that they didn't have a hand they had 5-6 cards in hand after.  DT for Ancestral is great EARLY game late game DT for Ancestral is subpar to terrible.

... WHAT?

Do you even know what Ancestral does? It essentially costs nothing to put you ahead, and does not require any future investment, like Tinker or Yawgmoth's Will.

Say you Yawgmoth's Will with an opponent holding some sort of counterspells, you will engage in a counter-war (long) and you win. What then? You depleted your mana, you won't be able to do that much, and you have a graveyard stock-full of counterspells and crap you probably won't be able to play anyways. In that same position, you end up with 3 cards, 2 more mana, and endless possibilities, INCLUDING the ability to probably replay YW in a more advantageous position.

It's all about building up ressources and such, not hoping for a hail-mary YW or Tinker.

[arcticninja]

Demonic Recall  1UB

Target player draws three cards.


Seems like a good card to me.  It's strictly better than Council of the Soratami!

[MoxMonkey]

Seems like 1BB2 Win target game is a little better in my books but you guys can go get your 3 cards if you want.  Their board postiions were straight up insane and wasting Demonic on Ancestral is terrible and This isbrought up becasue people forget it gets different cards to bail you out of a hot spot of win you the game.  I said I have done it before but using it to not get will with a large graveyard is stupid.  Guess I like winning games instead of drawing a bit more than others.

[goobafish]

Seems like 1BB2 Win target game

Force of Will, Mana Drain, Counterspell.... Anything

O lolzorz looks like i countered your "win targer game" and thats the only one you got. Too bad you didn't dt for ancestral eh? At least if they counter the ancestral you can recoperate, if they counter your only win or one of your only ones you cannot.

[forests failed you]

This conversation is actually retarded.   Maybe we could talk about something else.  Who gives a flying monkey ass what some canadian did or did not tutor for?

[Dante]

Let's try keeping this about the actual results of Rochester.  The Community forums would be an EXCELLENT place to discuss sportsmanship, the format, and Jackass vs Jedi.  I can PM anyone with the link if you can't find it.  LMK.


EDIT - I cleaned up the spam.

[Shock Wave]

@ forcefieldyou:  LoL... I wouldn't take it personally.  Some of the most hilarious matches i've seen have featured Trepanier... he's just cocky since he q'd for the Pro Tour.  In Canada, it seems, it's not a Type 1 match unless you are calling the other guy all sorts of names and generally making fun of him.

Congrats Trep, and Diceman (I figured you'd win it, what happened?)

@ Shockwave:  What did you play (Landstill?  Drainshop? and how did you do?)

I played Landstill and scrubbed more horribly than I ever have, almost entirely because I played Arend in the first round, which is a particularly terrible matchup considering he knows my deck very well and how to win against it. After that I faced 3 rounds of mono red burn, all of which I lost terribly because they are simply unwinnable matchups. I played on just for the sake of killing time because Peter was shitting on everyone he played and finished a very sorry 1-5, with my lone win coming against Oath. Ah well, if you're going to scrub, you might as well scrub all the way.

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

Congrats to everyone who T8ed! It's nice to see 2 different variations of slaver in T8. BSlavery is very much focused on playing Will (much like combo), while Ugo's list looks more controlling. MAD props to him for digging out old tech like blood moon and Platinum angel. I totally forgot that CS can run angel and by like infinite turns with her against oath. Did anyone watch him play? How useful were the leaks?

[Chamelet]

Where are the decklists?
Anyone has the 2 Gifts?
Are they coming late this week?

Man, it was so great when they were online the same day.......

[outpost1]

All 108 decklists should be posted by the end of the week, as always.

Best wishes,

Pete Hoefling
President, StarCityGames.com
http://www.starcitygames.com

[Outlaw]

I was one of the Gifts players that made top 8' the other was Peter O. (Dicemanxx).  His carried a transformational oath sideboard.  Mine was Vault/ fusilade with some very interesting card choices.  Due to work at college I dont have time to throw the list up but Pete say it will be up soon.

[Nomad]

Jeff Folinus was the Oath player in second place.  He won a Jet at another SCG so shouldn't have been unknown.  He's from Jersey and at college at RIT.  Impressive showing from him, my congratualtions to him and to the Canadians for kicking some Yankee ass.

[Disburden]

Does anyone have any information on the Dragon list? Main questions I have:

Did it run Loam?
Was it 5c or bUg Dragon or another variant of color?
Did it run Witness?

Dragon is just sweet, I love the random top 8's it can pull off, seemingly anywhere.
Congrats to that player.

[dicemanx]

From what I could tell, the WGD player played a list resembling Stichadou's list in that it was running Stifle and Deep Analysis, but he did elect to splash for red for Kumano (his other win condition being Ambassador). His only losses were to me in the swiss and Jeff's Oath in the quarterfinals - he lost one game in each match because of terrible starting hands that included no relevant business and the dreaded Stifle. That's about par for the course with WGD - it is susceptible to mulling itself to death or drawing crap, because it runs so much crap to begin with .

[rureddy31]

Well, I suppose the arrogant Canadian had to reply eventually right? I am not here to start a flame war or fight, or anything like that. For the record, let me just say that the quarter finals match got really out of line. Both me and Brian were out of line, as a couple judges at SCG even told us that. SCG was a blast, with the exception of my round 3 against this quite annoying american, not mentioning any names. I got a chance to play Ugo, and while I am sure he is a great player, luck was certainly on his side with turn 1 Crucible lock. Oh well, no harm no foul as I did get my T8 after all. I can't wait for another of these...It's nice to finally be apart of TMD. Look forward to many flame wars and arguments  Oh, and BTW, D. Tutor for Recall is, and always wil be, a fine play.

[Dante]

Travis, don't provoke.  (I deleted the offending post and the reply that didn't make sense without it).

[Arend83]

@ forcefieldyou: LoL... I wouldn't take it personally. Some of the most hilarious matches i've seen have featured Trepanier... he's just cocky since he q'd for the Pro Tour. In Canada, it seems, it's not a Type 1 match unless you are calling the other guy all sorts of names and generally making fun of him.

Congrats Trep, and Diceman (I figured you'd win it, what happened?)

@ Shockwave: What did you play (Landstill? Drainshop? and how did you do?)

I played Landstill and scrubbed more horribly than I ever have, almost entirely because I played Arend in the first round, which is a particularly terrible matchup considering he knows my deck very well and how to win against it. After that I faced 3 rounds of mono red burn, all of which I lost terribly because they are simply unwinnable matchups. I played on just for the sake of killing time because Peter was shitting on everyone he played and finished a very sorry 1-5, with my lone win coming against Oath. Ah well, if you're going to scrub, you might as well scrub all the way.

I did say Sorry when we sat down to play didn't I?

[fromm2020]

congrats to everyone who t {8}ed and hopefully this will go to show that there still is plenty of innovation in type  it just stays within the same archtypes :lol:

[rureddy31]

It is funny you mention that because it seems that all three builds of Slaver had some signifcant differences. Ugo opted for Mana Leaks instead of Shamans or Duresses, Crucible instead of Pentavus (or did he play both). Brian ran Burning Wish and (no fact?). I had MD Duresses. I think my build was the most cookie-cutter of the three. The only changes I felt necessary were the MD Duresses in the place of a second Gifts and a MD Mox monkey. I would only make one little change if there were an SCG tomorrow, and that woul be the addition of a Vampiric Tutor instead of the 4th Welder to make my Gifts a little more broken

[forests failed you]

I would have played Deep Analysis instead of Mindtwist in my sideboard to wish for.

[FireChild335]

Hey hey hey...yeah i was playing dragon at rochester...i was acutally really surprised with myself making top 8....but i didnt face any hard matchups during swiss...only peter...you want the deck list???? i can hook you guys up....

Land:
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
2 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Volcanic Island
1 Bloodstain Mire
1 Swamp
1 Island
4 Forbidden Orchard

Creatures:
4 Worldgorger Dragon
4 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Ambassador Laquatus
1 Kumano
1 Caller of the Claw

Spells:
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Timewalk
1 Dance of the Dead
2 Animate Dead
2 Necromancy
4 Force of Will
3 Duress
3 Intuition
3 Stifle
2 Deep Analysis
1 Entomb
1 Careful Study
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt


Sideboard:
2 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Null Rod
2 Rack and Ruin
2 Tormod's Crypt
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Fire/Ice
1 Arcane Laboratory


so there is it...

[Chamelet]

sorry to ask again, but where are the decklists? anyone has a link to them? At least the Top 8...

[Komatteru]

I've been assigned a new task: I have to enter the lists myself into SCGs database.  Previously, Pete did this, and I hope to have them done by tonight.

[Marco]

What about the decklists for the Legacy tournament? Are we ever going to see those?

[kirdape3]

Highly unlikely, although perhaps the judge still has them.

[Jacob Orlove]

That's enough for this thread. Closed.[/color]