A viable WW?

[Fubar]

My bad.

[wake_of_destruction]

Oh that one. Quite inferior to traditional Fish or Vial Fish IMO, but ok.

[Nantuko Rice]

i'm only gonna make this comment because i've loved WW ever since i started playing magic.

i bet ww would be pretty viable in a tournament right now, but no one has the balls to play it. and no one is taking enough time to truly be innovative with the deck. white offers alot of goodies, and although it is seen as inferior to UW "Meandeck" Fish, you make some changes here and there and it'll be a completely different deck.

the deck definately needs a splash of some sort though. i feel that ww alone is too weak because it empties it's hand too quickly without a way to fill it back up again with more threats. kind of like how RG Beatz plays out.
WR offers burn?
WB offers confidant, tutoring, and more controlling cards
WU offers card draw, tutoring, counters
WG offers more beats and tempo (i love root maze)

so basically, get your butts off the floor, innovate, test. and play it.

[Prometheon]

The thing is, no one is gonna bother, as winning with U/W fish is pretty easy to do right now.

[infernood]

why not use cataclysm? i mean there are ways of making it so that it can't be countered. and with samurai of the pale curtain it does take alot of pernaments. It'll stop alot of the reoccuring LD decks and at the same time you should be able to recover much faster then your opponent after it resolves. and with alot of the mirrodin equip cards, you in truth could have a massive threat waiting in the runes of the field. You need a big creature? With possible spot removal and card advantage, why not use sword of fire and ice? with an equipped SotP you can swing potentially 6dmg to opponent and drawing a card. and its a viable replacement to jitte. you can actually have multiples of it. and with cards like tithe, you can search out mana or chuck it for abolish. or worse off leave in the runes null rod/ chalice to really slow them down. and if you play the supression feild, all the better.

of course thats idealistic and idealism hardly ever seems viable.

[Virtuoso]

For a time now i was looking for a way to improve my ww. Mono WW i always trying to play with the disrupt/controlish creatures( believer, curtain, kataki) and without a lot of low mana high power(savannah lions, isamaru,razor golem), but its just not enough. So i looked what could i splash. red and green are not the right colors for the aggro/control kind. So i of course tryed blue mainly because of meddling mage and draw with standstill, but i couldn't run fow because of the low number of blue cards and i didn't like to run 4 mana leak or 4 daze.

When i looked for black what i could splash of course duress and Mesmeric Fiend is a nice creature, and with guildpact giving castigate and ravnica dark confidant you got 2 nice cards for running black. With confidant you get a card draw on a stick, which ww always missed. With Mesmeric Fiend, Castigate, Duress you got some nice hand disruption spells, and 2 of them are rfg and all try you may chose.


//Lands(19)
4# Plains
2# Swamp
4# Scrubland
4# Flooded Strand
4# Wasteland
1# Strip Mine

//Creatures(18)
4# Samurai of the Pale Curtain
4# True Believer
2# Kataki, Wage War
4# Mesmeric Fiend
4# Dark Confidant

//Removal(7)
4# Swords To Plowshares
3# Disenchant

//Disrupt(16)
1# Balance
4# Duress
4# Castigate
4# Suppression Field
3# Null Rod

Almost all cards are some kind of disruption. I haven´t tested it yet, i´m going to do that soon. What do you think about it?

[mr_rogers]

The only thing I have to say about your build is Suppresion Field and fetches = wastes/strip is not good synergy.  Chances are you are tapping out every turn casting threats so you won't have 2 or more mana to activate you lands which hurts you.

[Virtuoso]

The only thing I have to say about your build is Suppresion Field and fetches = wastes/strip is not good synergy.  Chances are you are tapping out every turn casting threats so you won't have 2 or more mana to activate you lands which hurts you.

i forgot . really annoying with the suppression field that you can't play fetches and strips, that's makes him unplayable. maybe something like AEther vial + chalice instead of the fields and null rods and a other slot.

[Sgt. Pepper]

I would probably just try Chalice of the Void in the Suppression Field slot. You need either a Chalice or Null Rod in the first 2 turns, and having 7 maindeck helps to achieve that goal. Further more, I would try to make room for a third Kataki, probably cutting a Samurai.
Also, don't you think having just 19 lands is pushing it a little? I know the casting cost of this decks stops at 2, but you still need to draw 2 lands to cast your stuff, and you'll want to use those Wastelands. You could cut the Balance (which is a bit out of place in this deck) a second Samurai (he just isn't that good) and a Castigate too make room for some extra lands.

[Virtuoso]

The balance is maybe a bit random, i put it in because its always a really powerfull card and will always helps at a time to win a game. the 3 kataki, 4 chalice, 3 null rod strategy is probably more important for consistency in artifact hating. i think would do something like this from my original list:
-1 Balance
-4 Suppression Field
+1 Kataki, Wage War
+4 Chalice
i don't think you should cut Samurai, they are really powerfull against grave manipulation. I don't know if the mana base works, but that can be changed any time. probably for a stp, disenchant or castigate.

But my main question is what do you think about a WWb? Is this list better then a WW or WWu? Is this the direction WW must go to?