Waterbury Decklists

[Komatteru]

The Waterbury decklists are an ongoing process.  Clearly, I had underestimated the time it was going to take to type up all 184 decklists.  Yes, I do them all by myself and yes, it is about as exciting as it sounds. All the lists seem to be slightly different, so I can't just copy and paste much this time (like none of you who are teammates used preprinted lists that all look the same).    Given the busyness of my weekend and the demands of my courses (we're nearing the end of our term and my classes are a pain in the ass this term), the project is not fully completed.  I should have them all up by Tuesday at the latest, but here is the link to what's there to tide you over.

All 184 lists are now on SCG's website.

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=vin&start_date=2005-11-20&end_date=2006-02-12&event_type=WAT

Currently, I have 88 of them done.  More tomorrow, and I should be able to complete them all by Tuesday.

One thing I've noted is a lot of decklist errors -- several of the lists are missing cards (including two in T16!).  I've been over them multiple times and I can't figure out what's missing.  If your list seems to be missing cards, let me know and I'll add what you tell me.  Also, some of your have very bad handwriting and I took a best guess at your name.  Let me know if that's misspelled.

Also, I think that all of you who abbreviated card names should be shot.  "Underground" is not a valid card name -- Underground what? Sea? River?  "Shop," "Drain," etc. are also annoying, as I don't get to abbreviate when I type (and I type what I see half the time, so fixing it is a pain).  Pleeeeeeeeeeassee don't abbreviate card names in the future.

EDIT: Currently 120.  More later.

[Machinus]

Thank you!

[Gabethebabe]

Also, I think that all of you who abbreviated card names should be shot.  "Underground" is not a valid card name -- Underground what? Sea? River?  "Shop," "Drain," etc. are also annoying, as I don't get to abbreviate when I type (and I type what I see half the time, so fixing it is a pain).  Pleeeeeeeeeeassee don't abbreviate card names in the future.

In the Barcelona metagame this doesn´t happen, because the judges will hand over game losses. Even obvious things like "5 Moxen" is not allowed.

You don´t need a lot of braincells to be able to get a decklist right.

[Moxlotus]

I never expected that type of Oath build to make top 16.  1 mox.  4 Drains, 4 Muddles, no black.  I didn't think a real control oriented Oath would be able to compete.

[49 Cents]

I never expected that type of Oath build to make top 16.  1 mox.  4 Drains, 4 Muddles, no black.  I didn't think a real control oriented Oath would be able to compete.

I have never seen a build with SIXTEEN counters MAINDECK before. And it plays 3 more in the SB.. wow.

The R/G Beatz deck looks like it could have been build better. I'm surprised nobody uses Kudzu's..

[MoxMonkey]

Thanks for putting up the List JD.  I didn't even know people would abbreviate words on a Deck Registration sheet thats up their in stupidest things Ive heard/seen

[Dante]

FYI the dragon deck is missing 5 cards....

[Jacob Orlove]

Last waterbury we tried to hand out losses for deck reg errors. When we realized that would mean giving something like forty people game losses, Ray decided to downgrade them to warnings. Unfortunately, people can and will make mistakes on deck reg sheets--it doesn't help that some NE events don't even have deck reg.

[RThomas]

My interest is piqued by Vincent Forino's Ill-Gotten Gains combo deck.  I have seen it in SCG results before and generally dismissed it as, "just another rogue deck" to be honest.  Though at this point, I sure wouldn't mind hearing from the creator of the deck and how/why he chose to make it, and why he has done so well with it.

Back on topic, I applaud Justin's effort regarding the decklists and publishing them quickly.  I realize how frustrating and difficult this must be; goodness knows how many times the SCG regulars have asked for them already.

[Nomad]

Last waterbury we tried to hand out losses for deck reg errors. When we realized that would mean giving something like forty people game losses, Ray decided to downgrade them to warnings. Unfortunately, people can and will make mistakes on deck reg sheets--it doesn't help that some NE events don't even have deck reg.

Deck reg is a work of evil.  It's never at my tournaments.
I find it totally appropriate to abbreviate in type 1 since so many of the same cards are on most decklists.

That said, I actually print mine from Workstation before coming, because I actually seem to know what I'm going to play before I actually turn up.

[Komatteru]

FYI the dragon deck is missing 5 cards....

Yeah, I have no idea what they are.  There's only 55 cards on the sheet.

[UR]

Black Lotus, Demonic Tutor, Vampiric Tutor, Sol Ring and one other card (Imperial Seal or something). At least, those would be my guesses.

But does anybody besides me love that Goblin deck in the T8? No Sharpshooters main, too many Siege Gang Commanders (in my eyes), etc. etc. And yet, he makes top 8 at a very large tournament so he did make the right choices. I am absolutely loving that list.

Thank you Mr. D. for putting them up.

[matthew]

Demonic and 4 FOW I would guess. He has given himself his random "out" slots and they're all blue. So I would guess Fow and theres no way he would play without a tudor.

[Harlequin]

I was the one piloting the "mono-blue" oath deck. 

-- I would also like to note that even though Jer posted his day 2 UW fish results on my name, "harlequin" is actually my acct.

I would like to mention my MVP ... Can i give a shout out to Lat-Nam's Legacy!
a guy I play with on Thursdays who was watching me from time to time said this:
"Your the luckiest oath player ever, I NEVER see you with creatures in your hand"

I'm putting the finishing touches on my "mono-blue oath primer" that should be on the forums most likely tonight.

[Bardo]

My interest is piqued by Vincent Forino's Ill-Gotten Gains combo deck. I have seen it in SCG results before and generally dismissed it as, "just another rogue deck" to be honest. Though at this point, I sure wouldn't mind hearing from the creator of the deck and how/why he chose to make it, and why he has done so well with it.

Back on topic, I applaud Justin's effort regarding the decklists and publishing them quickly. I realize how frustrating and difficult this must be; goodness knows how many times the SCG regulars have asked for them already.

That would be Michael Bomholt (aka Bomholmm).

You can find the thread for the deck in the Legacy forums: here.

[Myriad Games]

Places 50th, 51st, 52nd, and 76th are all The Mountains Win Again (as opposed to RDW). The deck is very different from other decks labeled RDW such as 41st and 71st. If you could update the name, I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks for all your hard work typing up these lists!

I also concur that preprinted deck lists are less prone to error than those filled out on the spot. I gave out two losses at our last event for incomplete lists, which can be avoided by simply checking your list carefully before hand.

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

I was the one piloting the "mono-blue" oath deck. 

-- I would also like to note that even though Jer posted his day 2 UW fish results on my name, "harlequin" is actually my acct.

I would like to mention my MVP ... Can i give a shout out to Lat-Nam's Legacy!
a guy I play with on Thursdays who was watching me from time to time said this:
"Your the luckiest oath player ever, I NEVER see you with creatures in your hand"

I'm putting the finishing touches on my "mono-blue oath primer" that should be on the forums most likely tonight.

Absolutely savage. You've found a card that bypasses oath's biggest problem: Running 11 dead cards (orchard, oath, kill conditions). I look forward to the primer.

[iamfishman]

The Waterbury decklists are an ongoing process.  Clearly, I had underestimated the time it was going to take to type up all 186 decklists.  Yes, I do them all by myself and yes, it is about as exciting as it sounds. All the lists seem to be slightly different, so I can't just copy and paste much this time (like none of you who are teammates used preprinted lists that all look the same).    Given the busyness of my weekend and the demands of my courses (we're nearing the end of our term and my classes are a pain in the ass this term), the project is not fully completed.  I should have them all up by Tuesday at the latest, but here is the link to what's there to tide you over.

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=vin&start_date=2005-11-20&end_date=2006-02-12&event_type=WAT

Currently, I have 88 of them done.  More tomorrow, and I should be able to complete them all by Tuesday.

One thing I've noted is a lot of decklist errors -- several of the lists are missing cards (including two in T16!).  I've been over them multiple times and I can't figure out what's missing.  If your list seems to be missing cards, let me know and I'll add what you tell me.  Also, some of your have very bad handwriting and I took a best guess at your name.  Let me know if that's misspelled.

Also, I think that all of you who abbreviated card names should be shot.  "Underground" is not a valid card name -- Underground what? Sea? River?  "Shop," "Drain," etc. are also annoying, as I don't get to abbreviate when I type (and I type what I see half the time, so fixing it is a pain).  Pleeeeeeeeeeassee don't abbreviate card names in the future.

<3 JDizzle

As for the decklists, we handed out MANY game losses for deck registration errors.  My hope is that people who have to get this aggrevating and unneccessary penalty will learn to double check their lists(and tell others) and this issue won't happen as frequently in the future.

[Komatteru]

Places 50th, 51st, 52nd, and 76th are all The Mountains Win Again (as opposed to RDW). The deck is very different from other decks labeled RDW such as 41st and 71st. If you could update the name, I'd very much appreciate it.

Yeah, I know that.  Unfortunately, I can't really put that long of a deck name in the database.  Abbreviating it doesn't seem to be such a good idea either.  I mean, who in the world would guess what "TMWA" or some variant stands for?  The best thing I could come up with is "The Mountains" but that's not such a great name for a database deck.  As such, I just called it RDW, which is bascially how I classified all red aggro type decks.  I try to use descriptive names in the database so people who aren't familiar with unique names will know what everything is.  I'm sure that the Legacy community would hate me if I did their lists.  No way on earth would there be "Solidarity" and "Rabid Wombat" in my naming convention.

If you can come up with a good descriptive name, let me know.  I'll change it to that.

If anyone is wondering how I classify the Gifts lists, I call everything with TfKs (usually accompanied by Pithing Needle too) "Gifts Control," and stuff with Scrolls in place of TfKs "Gifts."  I wasn't the one who created the "Gifts Control" moniker, but this is the system I've been using to differentiate the Gifts builds.  "Stax" is any 5c Stax variant, and "Bazaar Stax" is Vroman's deck (yeah, there have been decks that run Uba Mask but no Bazaars).  I only distinguish the Fish builds by color (with the exception of Old Faerie Men, which has enough presence to get another name).

[Myriad Games]

Thanks for the clarification and consideration. Thinking about name options, I'd prefer anything that differentiates it from standard RDW. Running a quick search on TMD (and from my myriad conversations with others about it) I think TMWA is a suitable moniker for the deck. "The Mountains" or "The Mts Win Again" are other options, but I think TMWA would be preferable. I'm keeping track of the progress of the deck and thus far it's won two tournaments (including a Pearl and a Walk) and placed relatively highly in many others, so I believe a different name would be warranted.

[Jacob Orlove]

"Mountain Wins" wouldn't be a terrible name either.

[nataz]

"Mountain Wins" wouldn't be a terrible name either.

I actualy like that.

[rureddy31]

Where the hell is slaver? That is shocking...although I really like the list that finished 40 something...

[v4ino]

My interest is piqued by Vincent Forino's Ill-Gotten Gains combo deck. I have seen it in SCG results before and generally dismissed it as, "just another rogue deck" to be honest. Though at this point, I sure wouldn't mind hearing from the creator of the deck and how/why he chose to make it, and why he has done so well with it.

That would be Michael Bomholt (aka Bomholmm).

You can find the thread for the deck in the Legacy forums: here.

Bardo,
Since I see you’re a 1.5 player and not a type 1 player I'll give you a bye on the mistake. The deck has no relation to "IGGY POP". I first played my deck at the October SCG (once Grim Tutor became legal) - I received 11th and didn't top 8 due to tie breakers (I show up as 2x something place in the database for some reason).

RThomas,
Thanks for noticing, it seem most people don't look at decks unless they are preceded by limpdeck... or named Forino.dec. As to why I built the deck, I like the artwork and flavor text of the card IGG.... seriously. In addition I also like to demonstrate that innovation is still alive in the formant where any crazy idea can work. I also like dispelling the notion that you need a fully powered deck to compete (people crying that 10 proxies are not enough). Once I decided that Storm was the best way to use IGG (after many trials) I studied the existing Storm based decks and had noticed what I perceived as design flaws. As to why I've had good success with the deck, I avoid most of the hate that many of the archetypes throw at me (stacks, fish).

[Komatteru]

I've got 140 in there now.  The rest will follow tomorrow evening.

I received 11th and didn't top 8 due to tie breakers (I show up as 2x something place in the database for some reason)

According to the standings sheet, you had 13 points and came in 22nd place.  Evan Riley had 16 points and came in 11th.  If there was an error, it was at the tournament level.  I still have the final standings and all the lists if you're interested to know what happened.  So there's no database error, as I don't make mistakes.  If I did, you might would have seen one by now.   

[Myriad Games]

To clarify a minor name point, the deck title should be The Mountains Win Again as opposed to The Mountain Wins Again. The latter was the original title until someone pointed out to me that the song that was the source of the title is actually "The Mountains Win Again" (by Blues Traveler) rather than the singular version. So "Mountains Win" would work.

[PacmanXSA]

Thanks Justin

Come back to Michigan

Pac

[Special K]

This is better than Christmas everyday more presents... Thanks JDizzle

On another note if for future events where some of us participate would it be helpful at all to PM/email the list?

[Komatteru]

It would be nice to have some lists ahead of time, but it's not necessary really.  What is more useful is to know who's on what teams, since then I can do a copy/paste of identical lists.

The ideal system would be to have players enter their decks directly at the tournament site.  Such a system would allow players to check to make sure they've registered enough cards, and prevent things like, oh, say, registering two Mox Sapphires.  Plus, it would make publishing the lists afterwards a breeze. However, such a system would be disasterous to implement, as you'd need a good supply of machines to make it practical.  Even with 10 computers, having 180 people type in their lists would still take forever.

[Jacob Orlove]

Plus, putting all the lists online during the event = people can look up their opponent's deck online before the match. Bad times.