SCG Richmond Decklists -- Day 2

[Komatteru]

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t%5BC1%5D=vin&start_date=2006-03-26&end_date=2006-03-26

There's the Day 2 lists.  That's about all I have to say about that.  Enjoy!!

[Jacob Orlove]

Hey, awesome. Mad props for getting all of these done.

[Clown of Tresserhorn]

Mad props yo!

[Dante]

what's the deal with the dates?  why does day 2 show up as 3/26 rather than 3/19?

[Komatteru]

Oh, right, let me mention that.  Ok, here's how it works:

Ok, there's no way in the database to specific a specific tournament by name.  There's like "PTQ Feeding ____", "SCG Power 9," "Waterbury," "Grand Prix Trial," etc. The only dates are those that end weeks: 3/12, 3/19, 3/26, etc.  If I put them on 3/19, when you searched for Vintage decks that end on the 19th, you'd see:

Rich Shay - Control Slaver 1st Place
Brian Fisher - Control Slaver 1st Place
Jeff Anand - Burning Slaver 2nd Place
Ben Kowal ...

i.e., you couldn't tell what was from what day. I decided that was completely useless to anyone, as I think people want to see the ordered lists. Since I couldn't specify one tournament on the 18th and one on the 19th, I had to do the 19th and 26th.

[Machinus]

Thanks!

[Dante]

Oh, right, let me mention that.  Ok, here's how it works:

Ok, there's no way in the database to specific a specific tournament by name.  There's like "PTQ Feeding ____", "SCG Power 9," "Waterbury," "Grand Prix Trial," etc. The only dates are those that end weeks: 3/12, 3/19, 3/26, etc.  If I put them on 3/19, when you searched for Vintage decks that end on the 19th, you'd see:

Rich Shay - Control Slaver 1st Place
Brian Fisher - Control Slaver 1st Place
Jeff Anand - Burning Slaver 2nd Place
Ben Kowal ...

i.e., you couldn't tell what was from what day. I decided that was completely useless to anyone, as I think people want to see the ordered lists. Since I couldn't specify one tournament on the 18th and one on the 19th, I had to do the 19th and 26th.

hmm....you'd think with a database you could enter the ACTUAL date - so it would allow for 3/18 and 3/19.....but what do I know, these computer things are tricky and should be watched at all times..

[Moxlotus]

Brian Fisher's mana base

Artifact Lands
1 Seat Of The Synod

Basic Lands
3 Island

 Lands
2 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Strip Mine
2 Underground Sea
4 Volcanic Island

Eric Becker's mana base

Basic Lands
2 Island
1 Swamp

Lands
1 Bloodstained Mire
3 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea

Apparently my team cannot decide on a fetch/dual ratio.

Interesting notes on those who made top 8.
Rich Shay:  1st and 64th
Jeff Anand: 2nd and didn't play
Brian Demars:3rd and didn't play
Eric Becker: 4th and 3rd
Justin Timoney: 5th and 12th
Mat Endress: 6th and 19th
Colby Evenpence:7th and 5th
Stephen Menendian:8th and 6th
Brian Fisher:47th and 1st
Ben Kowal:  122nd and 2nd
Andy Farias: 116th and 4th
Jason Gaudard: 69th and 7th
Mike Jones: Didn't play and 8th

[Jacob Orlove]

All those really low numbers are from dropping in early rounds: if you go 1-2 drop, a bunch of people end up with more points than you, even if your final record would have been better than theirs if you'd stayed in--witness Buehler going 0-2 in the first two rounds day 1, then going 6-0 to make it to 14th place, whereas Kowal dropped by round 3, and ended up 122nd.

[Sgt. Pepper]

This got me confused:

Sucide Black
A Vintage deck, by Jacob Orlove
45th place at a StarCityGames Power 9 Tournament tournament in Richmond, Virginia, United States on 2006-03-26

Jacob, could you explain why you chose to run Suicide Black? Is it really better then Lion Fish? Would you change anything in the deck afterwards?

[Jacob Orlove]

Oh wow, I got 45th even after dropping in round 5?

Anyway, I don't really want to sing the deck's praises, because I did lose two straight rounds to combo, but there were aspects of the deck that I really liked. I wouldn't play it again in this metagame, but perhaps you'll see a better version from meandeck in the future (that build of the deck was actually designed by kirdape3, not me).

[GAUDARD]

I played Uba Stax on Day 1, and 5cStax on day 2.

[Smmenen]

Interesting notes on those who made top 8.
Rich Shay:  1st and 64th
Jeff Anand: 2nd and didn't play
Brian Demars:3rd and didn't play
Eric Becker: 4th and 3rd
Justin Timoney: 5th and 12th
Mat Endress: 6th and 19th
Colby Evenpence:7th and 5th
Stephen Menendian:8th and 6th
Brian Fisher:47th and 1st
Ben Kowal:  122nd and 2nd
Andy Farias: 116th and 4th
Jason Gaudard: 69th and 7th
Mike Jones: Didn't play and 8th

You know what's more interesting?  I'm the only guy who made top 8 and then switched decks. 

[Cross]

Interesting notes on those who made top 8.
Rich Shay: 1st and 64th
Jeff Anand: 2nd and didn't play
Brian Demars:3rd and didn't play
Eric Becker: 4th and 3rd
Justin Timoney: 5th and 12th
Mat Endress: 6th and 19th
Colby Evenpence:7th and 5th
Stephen Menendian:8th and 6th
Brian Fisher:47th and 1st
Ben Kowal: 122nd and 2nd
Andy Farias: 116th and 4th
Jason Gaudard: 69th and 7th
Mike Jones: Didn't play and 8th

You know what's more interesting? I'm the only guy who made top 8 and then switched decks.

You know what's more interesting?
...
*farts*

Props to the top 8's, and thanks for the decklists.

[Meddling Mike]

I wrote an article breaking down the results and providing some analysis on these results and the results from Day 1 and Waterbury. I've been assured it'll be up by the end of the week.

Thanks for typing up all the decklists JD, I can see that it was no easy task, just counting them was hard enough.

[Illuvatar Reborn]

Interesting notes on those who made top 8.
Rich Shay:  1st and 64th
Jeff Anand: 2nd and didn't play
Brian Demars:3rd and didn't play
Eric Becker: 4th and 3rd
Justin Timoney: 5th and 12th
Mat Endress: 6th and 19th
Colby Evenpence:7th and 5th
Stephen Menendian:8th and 6th
Brian Fisher:47th and 1st
Ben Kowal:  122nd and 2nd
Andy Farias: 116th and 4th
Jason Gaudard: 69th and 7th
Mike Jones: Didn't play and 8th

You know what's more interesting?  I'm the only guy who made top 8 and then switched decks. 

you know why? its because you are the god of magic. or allah, whatever your religion might be...

[Jacob Orlove]

Looking at the whole breakdown of deck switching is actually quite interesting:
Made T8 both days, same deck: Becker, Evenpence
only played one day, made T8 that day: Anand, Demars, Jones.
Made T8 day 1, lost with same deck day 2: Shay, Timoney (came very close), Endress
Made T8 day 2 after losing with the deck day 1: Kowal
Made T8 day 2 after losing day 1, switching decks: Fisher, Farias, Gaudard
Made T8 both days, switched: Smmenen

Now, this sample size is far too small to draw any real conclusions from, but switching decks for day 2 seems to be a good idea overall, especially if you did not make T8 day 1. However, those players mostly switched into decks that did make T8 day 1. The analysis gets confounded because all the players who T8'd and played only one day were playing slaver, as were half of the players who switched, so of the 6 slaver players who T8'd, only Shay actually played it both days.

[Komatteru]

It be interesting to examine why the people who switched did so as well.

I'll answer for Jason: he had been playing Uba Stax for some time before Rich,ond, and had been doing well with it at the tournaments we went to -- they were small, but he didn't fail to make T4 at them (they were Cleveland and Dayton, if you were wondering).  In fact, he met my 2.5c Long build in the T4 both times and lost (obviously, since that deck was mostly tailor made to stomp Stax).  Day 1, he had some troubles, but really doesn't have the cards to play much else (he owns 4 Bazaars, but no Moxes or anything).  I was planning on playing Roland's deck day 2, but I had been talked into playing 5c Long day 2, so my Workshops were available.  I felt that 5c Stax would be a superior deck to play over Uba Stax, as 5c would have a much better match vs. Slaver (still hard, but not a slaughter), IT, and Gifts.  I therefore convinced Jason to run Roland's deck after handing him all the cards he needed to do so.  I gave him a 10 minute primer on the differences between 5c and Uba Stax about 12 minutes before the player meeting, and combined with his high Magical skills (1800+ rating) -- another thing I thought 5c Stax would reward better, it was enough to carry him to victory.

[Gabethebabe]

You know what's more interesting?  I'm the only guy who made top 8 and then switched decks. 

If Steve were a gorilla, he would be banging his chest all day.

[forests failed you]

Haha, I was too hung over to play day two!   Beatings...

Yeah OBV Smennen made T8 day two;  was there ever any doubt?  There weren't even any VAG players there to stop him, it must have been an fing cakewalk.

If Steve were a Gorilla he would be beating his chest?  That is lame;  If I were a gorilla I would be blowing up infinate moxes and Chalices.

[Illuvatar Reborn]

Haha, I was too hung over to play day two!   Beatings...

Yeah OBV Smennen made T8 day two;  was there ever any doubt?  There weren't even any VAG players there to stop him, it must have been an fing cakewalk.

If Steve were a Gorilla he would be beating his chest?  That is lame;  If I were a gorilla I would be blowing up infinate moxes and Chalices.

yeah, sadly enough, one of my best friends is a mexican monkey, well kinda...
but on a serious note, good job smmenen on your two top eights, and what did you get?

[Kowal]

You mean besides a boner?

[Dante]

You mean besides a boner?

That must have been a late addition to the prize pool...

So if this was Baldwinsville instead, he would have gotten an imaginary boner written on a piece of paper??

[Machinus]

So if this was Baldwinsville instead, he would have gotten an imaginary boner written on a piece of paper??

The TO would have promised to give him a boner later.

[Klep]

So if this was Baldwinsville instead, he would have gotten an imaginary boner written on a piece of paper??

The TO would have promised to give him a boner later.

And then wouldn't have called.

[Nefarias]

It be interesting to examine why the people who switched did so as well.

Here's my story: I start the trip not really sure what I want to play, figuring I would have plenty of time to talk it over and decide. After a few delays, we get to the hotel fairly late, and stay up even later discussing card slots for Rich's Slaver and BrassMan's Gifts. By that time, I was pretty tired, and since I had access to Brassman's 4x Bazaar and 4x Workshop, I quickly threw together UbaStax and called it a night.

Day One went pretty terribly for me. I wasn't really experienced with the deck, and I didn't have enough cards that actually accomplished the goal of bringing my opponent's life total to zero. I won round one in turns, unintentional drew round 2, and scooped to my round 3 opponent after we were going to unintentionally draw again. I really didn't want to do that two days in a row.

Day Two t00l, whom I drove down and roomed with, decided he didn't want to play and had the ShaySlaver list he played Day One. I had never played Drains at a tournament, because I didn't own them and relied on BrassMan's collection (since he always plays Drains, I usually run Bazaar of Workshop decks). This seemed liked a fine opportunity to try them out, so I ran with it.