2 new critters, share your thoughts

[Guli]

I am a fan of aggro control. I always look for interesting creatures with low cc (1,2,3)

Here is an interesting bear that can serve as a counter

Plaxmanta

Set & Rarity:    
Dissension uncommon

Cost: U1
Card Type:    Creature — Beast
P/T:    2/2
Rules Text (Oracle):    You may play Plaxmanta any time you could play an instant.
When Plaxmanta comes into play, creatures you control can’t be the targets of spells or abilities this turn.
When Plaxmanta comes into play, sacrifice it unless Green Mana was spent to play it.

Another decent looking creature is this flying disenchant

Trygon Predator

Set & Rarity:    
Dissension uncommon

Cost:    1GU
Card Type:    Creature — Beast
P/T:    2/3
Rules Text (Oracle):    Flying
Whenever Trygon Predator deals combat damage to a player, you may destroy target artifact or enchantment that player controls.
Flavor Text (Dissension):    Held aloft by metabolized magic, trygons are ravenous for sources of mystic fuel.

UG aggro control gogo brainstorm for ideas!!

[Machinus]

The trygon is really insane, but it costs 3 so I doubt it will see much play in fish decks.

[Pitlord]

Plaxmata is a decent creature, but has a lot of things working agasint him. First of all, if you actually want a creature out of him, he is a grizzley bear that costs UG, which is terrible. His instant speed is nice though, as is his ability, but neither is really relavent in a format without a whole lot of creature combat.

The predator has promise though. His ability is great, and his body survives drakblast, as well as having evasion. His only real drawback, as stated, is the 3 casting cost, which can be tough, but could be doable. The only other problem with the predator, is what to drop from existing fish lists to test with him.

[Implacable]

I find the Simic creatures fascinating because they're just so good.  Wizards intentionally made them far better than any other creature in T2, and it shows.  The problem is that they don't necessarily fit into the T1 scene.  They might just be too slow to work in this format.  That being said, they might be possible to use.   A possible list might look like this:

4 Dark Confidant
3 Phyrexian Negator
3 Trygon Predator
3 Plaxcaster Frogling

4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Duress
4 Null Rod
3 Daze
2 Diabolic Edict
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Time Walk

4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland
4 Underground Sea
3 Bayou
3 Tropical Island
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Strip Mine

[roberts91rom]

Or instead of green, you could like, you know, run white? Meddling Mage and StP and Kami of Ancient Law and Seal of Cleansing and...>Plaxcaster Frogling and Trygon Predator.

[Implacable]

Or instead of green, you could like, you know, run white? Meddling Mage and StP and Kami of Ancient Law and Seal of Cleansing and...>Plaxcaster Frogling and Trygon Predator.

And...  That's the problem.  I hate the three-slot.  The creatures there are so good, but they're too slow for T1.

[god_of_war]

the predator is freaking good. i played a u/g fish deck and placed him in the side for stax and the workshop aggro matchups. suffice to say that he ate at least 2-3 artifacts and has nice evasion to boot.

three mana isn't that hard because if you are playing fish (best deck to put this creature in) your aim is to make the game a bit longer than your opponent wants it to be. so if you plop this guy down on turn 3 or 4 with counter back-up its usually GG

[roberts91rom]

If Stax hasn't locked you down, and Shop Aggro hasn't smashed you to the point where you are dead before this guy starts really doing damage by turns 3-4 it is GG anyway. Way to win more. 

[Implacable]

If Stax hasn't locked you down, and Shop Aggro hasn't smashed you to the point where you are dead before this guy starts really doing damage by turns 3-4 it is GG anyway. Way to win more. 

You can hold your own with Fish for the first few turns against Stax, and with Stormscapes/Swords, ShopAggro won't have owned you yet.  This guy really is good against Shops.

[Pitlord]

Predator is actually pretty solid against shops. He evades all of the shop dorks, and then kills them. I don't see how surviving until turn 4 to swing with him is that hard against shop aggro. They are fast and can play alittle disruption, but not quite enough to stop this guy. Also, he only comes down turn 3 if you are playing without moxes, which shouldn't happen because we have all seen how good 5 mox fish is.

Also, predator can single hanidly win the game against oath pre-board and sometimes post board. If he can come down before they actually play oath they need to time walk after playing it to get an activation.

[Dralock]

I dunno, I see this thing as more of a EBA'ish tempo'd deck choice. Something that woule traditionally be negators and counters and the likes.

I just don't see how these things are going to be any better than psychatog.

[Harlequin]

Its not like [card]Caustic Wasps[/card] were amazing, they have been around sinse MM and are, consiquentially, consider "Jank."

[Pitlord]

@Dralock, this is a tempo card, but it fits the slots of disuption by killing artifacts and enchantments, as well as swinging. He isn't going to end the game as fast as negator, but he is going to do some pretty savage things.

@Harlequin, I think comparing this guy to caustic wasps is really harsh. The 1 extra power isn't going to do a whole lot, but the ability to detroy oath is a HUGE deal. Oath is heavy in the meta, and dropping this guy turn 2 and swing turn 3 can definitly set back oath quite a ways.

[Harlequin]

I missed the Enchantment hate.  My bad.

[Guli]

I think the Predator is a good followup to good early disruption,denial and bounce. You Force something there, you stifle a fetch here or you bounce a DSC or a Akroma while you are at it.

If something is strong but a little slow then you simply slow down the game with tools.

>Countermagic: Force of Will, Stifle, Mana Drain
>Bounce: Chain of Vapors, Echoing Truth
>A permanent naturalize 'aka' Predator
>Ophidian maybe?

POWER/DRAW: Ancestral Recall, Time Walk, Tinker, Fact or Fiction,Brainstorm
Throw in some artifact acceleration: Lotus,5 moxes,Sol ring,Crypt

My point: You do not have to use this in a fish deck, it can be a powerfull tool for a deck like MonoBlueControL (splashed with green)

the question is does U control need a permanent disenchant?

[Guli]

The reason i wanted to talk about this critter was that i never seen a creater with a disenchant on it before...

We have shadowmage,ophidian (drawers)
We have Hypnotic Scepter (discard)

But i havent seen something like this before