Updated Star City Power 9 Series Proxy Rules

[matt_v]

There are two types of acceptable proxies for use in the Star City Games Power 9 tournament series. The first and most basic is taking a basic land card and writing the details of the card on it. The second method is to take a card that shares some of the characteristics with the card that is being proxied and erase any characteristics that do not match, replacing them with the correct characteristics.

All proxies must have the following text neatly printed, using a extra fine point sharpie. Ball point pens may not be used:
•   The full name of the card (no abbreviations or nicknames)
•   Correct casting cost of the card including all colored mana symbols
•   All relevant/game effecting text

When choosing what card to use as the base for an erased proxy players must follow these rules:
•   The mana cost of the base spell must be the same as the card being proxied.
•   The type of the card being proxied must be the same as the base card.
•   The P/T of a creature being proxied must be the same as the base creature P/T
•   When proxying a creature it may be difficult to find a creature where all characteristics match. In this case, mana cost is the most important, followed by the P/T, followed by the subtype. Any characteristics that do not match must be erased and corrected.
•   The art box, card name, and text box must be totally erased. White out may not be used for this as it affects the stiffness of the card and may mark it.
•   When adding text to the card do not use a ball point pen. A extra fine point sharpie is the best thing to use. A ball point pen can cause indentations on the card marking it.
•   For clarity reasons, the use of cards with the new card frame is strongly encouraged

Examples:
•   Welding Jar or Spellbook can be used for a Mox or Black Lotus
•   Disarm could be used for an Ancestral Recall
•   Train of Thought for a Time Walk
•   Counsel of the Soratami for a Timetwister.

How to Erase a Card:
Acetone and a cotton ball or q-tip works well, as does a pencil/ink eraser (the white/grey split type) using the grey side. Before erasing the card, take masking tape and tape off all the areas that you don't want erased for a clean edge. It will take time, but it will come off.

[Smmenen]

Awesome!

[Yare]

So I gather that a sanded off card with a completely new printed face is still unacceptable?

Regardless, thanks for this change.  I hope (and believe) that you will find that most players will be able to work within the parameters you've set and will also be happy with the change.

What about expansion symbols?

[matt_v]

So I gather that a sanded off card with a completely new printed face is still unacceptable?

Regardless, thanks for this change.  I hope (and believe) that you will find that most players will be able to work within the parameters you've set and will also be happy with the change.

What about expansion symbols?

Currently no. If there is enough demand for it we can look into making it legal. I'd also want to see some examples of it.

I'm really hoping to see some good looking proxies up at Boston.

-Matt

[iamfishman]

So I gather that a sanded off card with a completely new printed face is still unacceptable?

Regardless, thanks for this change.  I hope (and believe) that you will find that most players will be able to work within the parameters you've set and will also be happy with the change.

What about expansion symbols?

I assume that since expansion symbols are only significant for about 3 cards(City in a Bottle, Golgothian Cylix, and Apocalypse Chime) that it isn't a big deal if a card proxy doesn't have an expansion symbol, especially because it would only matter at all for proxies of Arabian Nights, Antiquities, and Homelands cards(and even then, you might claim that the proxy is of the reprinted version, not the original/chronicles (City of Brass for example).

[Yare]

I'm talking about proxies like these below.  The Ninja is real (for comparison, although I'm not sure how useful this is) and the proxies were made by sanding off the front of a card and printing onto its face using a printer.  The back is the back of an actual magic card.  I apologize for the ginormous picture sizes; if someone knows how to reduce them in the window, feel free to post and/or edit it in.

I'm not trying to hijack this thread or anything and I understand that certain conditions have to be in place in order to insure that proxies are fair.  I'm just making the suggestion.  Additionally, allowing this sort of thing might open up a whole new can of worms with like "individual basis" for proxies and arguments about thickness and all this and that.

Some Examples
Close Up

Edit: images erased and replaced with links.

[Klep]

The problem I can see with sanding a card is that you are abrading the actual card material, instead of just getting rid of the ink, thereby changing the card's thickness.  If this creates no more of a difference than that between a foil and a normal card, it may not be an issue, but it's possible this substantially marks them.  I can't say for sure, as I've never been able to examine one.

[nataz]

Instead of sanding, will you ever consider peeled foils?

[Scoops666]

Another question that should be asked is what about cards with a lot of relevent tex (Say Illusionary Make for example). In the past what I have done is let people put for the text "See paper" and then wrie the full oracle on a piece of paper they can show to there opponent whenever necessary. This way it keeps the card clean and also gets the job done of having the relevent text available.

Also, I'd hope peeled foils would be fine, considering the foil part that comes away is about 1/2 as thick as a piece of paper-So miniscule that its impossible to tell which.

[ctthespian]

Instead of sanding just use acetone.  It works well for the whole card.

[Hi-Val]

I'd like to add that the Erasing section of that rules update was written by me : )