Scrubbin out with UbaStax for a Jet.

[yespuhyren]

Well, I decided to give the smokeys another chance, and to tell you the truth they were doing pretty good for me.  The matchups, however, more closely resembled a Legacy event than a Vintage one, which was no good for me.

Round 1:  U/G/W Worse than Gro

Win 2-0 with ease

Round 2:  B/W/U Fish

Win Game 1 easy
Game 2 he has 2 forces, 1 daze, and plays out 3 Flux
Game 3 he has a second turn Confidant, Third turn Jotun Grunt, and 4th turn Flux.  Oh yeah.  Also had 2 forces and 2 STP's for my welders that game

Lost 1-2

Round 3: Ichorid

Game 1:  Keep hand with Welder/Red source/Bazaar/Mox/Sundering Titan - He has Turn 0 Leyline of the Void, which just happens to just about destroy Uba

Game 2:  See above.  This time, I was digging for 3/4 Turns under Ubazaar with 3 bazaars to hit Granite Shards or Tormod's Crypts.  Apparently having all 6 in the bottom 15 cards is sad face for me.  So is 2 Turn 0 Leylines

0-2, 1-2 Overall

Round 4: Metalworker Stax

7-0 with ease.  I win the first two real quick, so we play a few more before he quits for a smoke. 

Round 5:  R/G Hate

I win G1 @1 life thanks to Titan being my card of the day and a topdecked B-Ring making his creature my bitch.  Repeatedly.

G2 He goes first turn Guerilla.  I play Smokey.  He plays tin street hooligan and attacks with 5/3.  I dupe it.  he bolts it.  I play 2x Wire.  He tin streets one and rancors his boy.  Wins with rancored putz.

G3: See above, but add in 1 spree for chalice@1 + Crucible.  G/R hate is just stupid. 

Round 6:  Control Slaver

Win 2-0 with ease.



SO long story short, I 2-0 Slaver and stax and WTG, but lose to random shit aggro.   

Props:

Mike for being 1-2 with me and considering dropping, then staying in, going 4-2, being the ONLY 4-2 to make T8, and then making it to the finals and splitting

Slops:

Losing to shitty aggro
People playing shitty aggro in Vintage
Tin street hooligan for blowing my shit up
That guy playing tin street hooligan in 10 proxy
Proxies in general
People who use proxies and still play tin street hooligan

[Jacob Orlove]

Tin Street Hooligan is amazing, and I would totally play it if there was some way to make a good fish deck that didn't run blue and white (and black).

[ashiXIII]

Tin Street Hooligan is amazing, and I would totally play it if there was some way to make a good fish deck that didn't run blue and white (and black).

What he said. Tin Street Hooligan is a good card. I don't know why you're so surprised someone was playing with it.

[yespuhyren]

I'm not surprised someone is playing with it, its just a pain that people play R/G hate in T1.  Its so NOT in the spirit of the T1 gods.  T1 is meant for moxes and lotus, not lightning bolt and Tin street   All in all, I just wish that I hadn't faced half of the random aggro in the tournament. 

The main reason I hate R/G hate is because there are always random people who play stupid hate decks like that, yet almost none of them every T8 with the deck.  It is very rare that one of those random aggro ACTUALLY T8.  Obviously it can happen, but I would always use my 10 proxies and play a real deck if I had a choice between that and R/G hate.

[TopSecret]

     If you look at the results for many of the recent Type 1 events,
you will notice that a relatively large portion of the top 8 slots, and top 16 slots for that matter,
are 'random aggro'.
     As far as there being a lot of people who play aggro and never top 8,
that can be said for any other deck in type 1.

[zeus-online]

Thats why i play a control deck with tinker/dsc ^^

Loosing to something like R/G Beatz is really annoying.

/Zeus

[yespuhyren]

As far as there being a lot of people who play aggro and never top 8, that can be said for any other deck in type 1.

Thats exactly my point.  Aggro isn't putting up any better numbers than other decks.  So why do people play a deck like R/G hate when you can easily 10 proxy something not random aggro?  I guess its the reason why people play T1.  I got into it because I remember seeing moxes and lotus when I was 11/12 years old and I always dreamed of playing with them.  I guess people who play those budget decks probably just play to win, I dunno.  I play for fun, and wouldn't have it any other way.

[Implacable]

As far as there being a lot of people who play aggro and never top 8, that can be said for any other deck in type 1.

Thats exactly my point.  Aggro isn't putting up any better numbers than other decks.  So why do people play a deck like R/G hate when you can easily 10 proxy something not random aggro?  I guess its the reason why people play T1.  I got into it because I remember seeing moxes and lotus when I was 11/12 years old and I always dreamed of playing with them.  I guess people who play those budget decks probably just play to win, I dunno.  I play for fun, and wouldn't have it any other way.

The funny thing, Yespuhyren, is that I play for fun too.  Nonetheless, whenever the local meta gets too controlish, I bust out Vintage Stompy and take names.  Hate can be very, very good in the right format, and it can also be fun to play.  It just requires a different mindset than that which Stax requires.

[TopSecret]

     I guess some people just have more fun going first turn, Taiga, Kird Ape, go... 

[misslehead3]

Awesome report yo. Something i notice afterwards, do we get no list or wassup?

And i think your right, no one should play RG Beatz. They should be playing somethin like Fish or sumthin,  ya. Nice Report we just Need A List

[yespuhyren]

My bad.  I tested out Vroman's list, with a few modifications.  Here is what I played

3x Mountain
3x B-Ring
3x Wasteland
2x Rishadan Port
1x Strip Mine
1x Academy
4x Shop
4x Zaar

5x Moxes
1x Lotus
1x Crypt
1x Vault
1x Sol ring

4x Welder
2x Sundering Titan (Vroman played 1 Dupe, 1 Jens)

4x Smokey
4x Wire
4x Uba
3x Null Rod
4x Crucible
4x Chalice
1x 3sphere

SB:

3x Heretic
4x Cap
3x GShard
3x TCrypt
2x Dupes

The list was just not performing as well as I wanted it to, and have since gone back to Jester, but with an interesting idea - A workshop Aggro SB.  Current list is as follows:

-4 Smokey
-3 Rod
-1 Mana Crypt

+2 Null Brooch
+2 Dupes
+4 Jester's Cap

SB:

3x Razormane Masticore
4x Juggernaut
2x Duplicant
3x Granite Shard
3x Tormod's Crypt

To transform to shop aggro, the changes are:

-4 Uba
-4 JCap
-2 Brooch
-1 Crucible
-1 Chalice

+3 Razormane
+4 Juggernaut
+2 Duplicant
+3 Granite Shard

[saishore]

Hi guys, not a regular on the forums, one of my buddy's spotted this post, and let me know about it. Figured I'd chime in a few things regarding the "rancor putz".

Been playing since 94, been playing Taiga + Kird Ape since then. R/G has always been one of my favorites, but the deck build that I have has slowly evolved into something more competitive.

Props to Shockwave for being the catalyst towards this deck list. It was at a time when Landstill was being played mainly by him in the Untouchables T1 tournaments, and it would stomp all over the competition. Every time I played in a T1 there, i would always see 3 consistant things - Blue, Artifacts, Non-Basic Lands.

So I build a deck against that. A few tournaments later, I placed 1st. Mind you, Rich showed up last minute, and wasn't playing with all the pieces of his regular build, so I'll give credit that he wasn't playing at full potential.

Initial builds of R/G hate, aggro, whatever it's name, were as such:
//Burn//
4x Lightning Bolt
4x Chain Lightning
1x Kaervek's Torch

// Stompy Part //
4x Kird Ape
4x Skyshroud Elite
4x River Boa
4x Rancor
4x Berserk
4x Mishra's Factory

// Hate//
4x Gorilla Shaman
3x Dwarven Miner
1x Pyroblast (yes, 1 main)
4x Wasteland
1x Strip Mine

// Land //
Mix of Taigas, Wooded Foothills, Forests/Mountains
The boas/berserks were nice, but found to be too slow/ineffective.
Later replaced with Grim Lavamancers, Mogg Fanatics, Tin Street.
Dwarven Miner was removed at last minute, and replaced with Hidden Guerillas.

I also run 3x Root Maze. This card is an mvp against so many decks, and with a low curve, it puts a clock on my opponent.

Now, with all that said, I had a pretty good time at that tournament, despite a 3-3 record. Bane of my deck has been Tinker + artifact, and generally any deck that resolves tinker is usually in a good position. Can't deal with it, can't deal with DSC, I just accept it. (Props to Special K for turn 1 Razormane to smash my face.)

No offense buddy, but throwing me on your "Slops" list is pretty sad, just because i beat you. You seem to be insulted by Tin Street Hooligan, yet no mention of triple Energy Flux from Round 3. If you want a REAL slop to put on your list, why don't you tell everyone that i topdecked Spiderman to your face?

Regards,
Mike (aka saishore)

[Dominik]

Now, with all that said, I had a pretty good time at that tournament, despite a 3-3 record. Bane of my deck has been Tinker + artifact, and generally any deck that resolves tinker is usually in a good position. Can't deal with it, can't deal with DSC, I just accept it. (Props to Special K for turn 1 Razormane to smash my face.)

Hey Mike, why don't you try 2-3x Goblin Welder MD? It usually does the job very well, and it is also helpful against Stax.

And Jason, you shouldn't insult anyone for playing a metagame deck. Metagame decks ALWAYS look bad on paper, but can do very well if tuned properly (same as the Jester against a metagame full of Combo/Control... You should be the last one to say things like that).

If you want a REAL slop to put on your list, why don't you tell everyone that i topdecked Spiderman to your face?

Heh... Are you referring to Eugene's altered Rancor?

EDIT: Merged the two posts to save the mods some time

[or-line]

If you want a REAL slop to put on your list, why don't you tell everyone that i topdecked Spiderman to your face?


Heh... Are you referring to Eugene's altered Rancor?

Spiderman is a mogg fantic altered so that the artwork has been changed from a goblin to spiderman.
The card look amazing in person trust me!

[Dominik]

If you want a REAL slop to put on your list, why don't you tell everyone that i topdecked Spiderman to your face?


Heh... Are you referring to Eugene's altered Rancor?

Spiderman is a mogg fantic altered so that the artwork has been changed from a goblin to spiderman.
The card look amazing in person trust me!

Oh, haha, that must look pretty good. Who was it done by? The actual artist?

@Mike: Can you bring it to the Tourney on the 9th? I would love to see it in person

EDIT: Jason, was the Ichorid player Richard Haoen? I'm just curious.

[saishore]

Wow, looks like we're both reading and post at same time.

The altered rancor that Eugene has was drawn by the same artist that did the Spiderman.
It is in fact Eugene's altered Spiderman, he just lets me play it in my deck.

Goblin Welder is definitely a card to consider, it's probably the best answer for DSC. Fits in my curve too.

~Mike

@Dominik - You got it buddy. See it on the 9th. And more.

[profoundd]

The main reason I hate R/G hate is because there are always random people who play stupid hate decks like that, yet almost none of them every T8 with the deck.  It is very rare that one of those random aggro ACTUALLY T8.  Obviously it can happen, but I would always use my 10 proxies and play a real deck if I had a choice between that and R/G hate.

I was the UBW fish deck that beat you 2nd round...

Your memory is horrible, I don't run dazes... and I don't bring in a second STP agaist you (just GhostMines and Fluxes)

And as for never T8, I lost to wolf in the Top4... "Aggro" is around to keep you boys honest.

[yespuhyren]

No offense buddy, but throwing me on your "Slops" list is pretty sad, just because i beat you. You seem to be insulted by Tin Street Hooligan, yet no mention of triple Energy Flux from Round 3. If you want a REAL slop to put on your list, why don't you tell everyone that i topdecked Spiderman to your face?

To everyone, the whole slops section was meant as a joke   I didn't actually have hard feelings about any match, the whole thing was meant to be some comic relief.  I always try and have something fun in my slops section   Just look at the whole thing?  Notice the transgression?  Meant to be FUNNY   Sorry to anyone offended

And yes, Dominik, Hoaen was the Ichorid player

Jason