[New Card Discussion] Vesuva

[Bill Copes]

Vesuva - Land     R
As Vesuva comes into play, you may choose a land in play. If you do, this comes into play tapped as a copy of the chosen land.

I think this would make a great utility-type land in ubastax, perhaps as a 1 or 2 of.

I see them being used as workshops/bazaars 5-6, extra strips/barbarian rings, or even copying basics to avoid being wasted.

Coming into play tapped is a severe drawback, of course, but does that alone warrant not trying them?

[Evenpence]

While this doesn't SEEM like a bad idea - you have to have the land in play first, so they're not really Bazaars or Workshops 5-8 because if you don't draw Workshop, this doesn't become Workshop.  Moreover, it comes down tapped, which means a land drop of yours is practically wasted.

This probably won't be played in T1.  Who knows though?

[rozetta]

Vesuva Land    R
As Vesuva comes into play, you may choose a land in play. If you do, this comes into play tapped as a copy of the chosen land.
#281/301

A neat idea, but perhaps a bit situational. There are a few lands you might want to copy, but you can anyway run 4 of everything useful except strip mine already. Academy can't be copied and besides, there's not much point, since it's powerful enough on it's own. Library of Alexandria is too slow.

However, as a "wild card" land, this isn't all that bad. You get to keep it in hand until you have played out other mana producing lands, and at that point, decide what would be most beneficial to copy. I can also be crop rotationed for. Still, I'd hate to get these in my opening hand, and land bases are pretty streamlined already without putting more fluff in the deck (what with fetches, etc.)

Probably has more type 2 applications.

[MuzzonoAmi]

The only thing I could realisticly see copying with this is Waste/Strip, and even then...not so much.

[Komatteru]

Coming into play tapped puts a serious damper on it.  You won't want to see it until you've already established your mana otherwise.

[Moxlotus]

If it copies a basic land, won't it still have the non-basic sub/super/whatever type?

[xycsoscyx]

I would assume it's a pure copy, like Clone entirely copied another creature (if you Clone a Legend, they both die 'cause the Clone becomes a Legend with the same name).  We'll hafta wait for the official FAQ, though, since it says "becomes a copy of that Land", not a copy of that card (which is a bit strange).

[virtual]

As a note, one thing semi-useful about this is stripping an opponent's academy, or probably less useful, copying their LoA.

[Demonic Attorney]

The first thing that came to mind was copying Library of Alexandria in the control mirror.  What's more, this card should rarely be dead, unless it's your only land drop and you're on the play, in which case you'd have to hold back for one turn in order to copy your opponent's first land.  Outside this narrow scenario, I see this card being at worst a copy of one of your duals, and at best an equalizer against a strong land controlled by an opponent.

[Gandalf_The_White_1]

I think coming into play tapped is a horrible drawback and makes this card pretty much completely unplayable in Vintage... Maybe I'm wrong but I can remember anyone every playing a CIPT land in Vintage since I started playing in Vintage in 2002, and thinking back to my knowledge of older decks I can't seem to think of anything in those either. 

This land doesn't even do anything on its own.  Playing first with this as your only land makes it pretty much an auto mull (barring lotus+other stuff or something ridiculous like that), and even when paired with another land is it even really better than Reflecting Pool (which isn't even good enough to be played)? 

I know it can copy your opponent's stuff and things like bazaar (if you have bazaar without uba you won't have enough cards to pitch to 2 bazzars for more than 1 turn or so, and if you have ubazaar isn't this just toally win-more an thus unecesssary anways) and workhsop (why would you need more than one workshop when you have to waste a land drop and wait a turn for the 2nd one to come online) or loa, but sersiouly how often is this going to be actually useful?  It's super-conditiontal and the tempo loss is huge.

[Whatever Works]

Copying Library, basics, and most importantly Mishra's Factory.... seems good to me... not great... but good...

Kyle

[forests failed you]

Vesuviaing bounce lands is going to be huge in standard.  It lets you play eigth on color bounce lands.

[BruiZar]

For it to be somewhat usefull it shouldve had doppelgangers ability to change land type each upkeep or come into play untapped.

Its a cool card but a missed change for something really strong.

[rozetta]

I didn't notice the CIPT thing. Damn, they really screw up good ideas with that bad mechanic.

[goobafish]

Dont rule out the fact that it blows up your opponent's accademy.

[vroman]

this card is absolutely terrible in uba stax. what lands would you cut for this? then you run the risk of having this as your only land, and you have to copy an island or something, or worse theyll be sitting on a polluted delta while you miss land drop!
and it comes into play tapped! WORTHLESS

[brianpk80]

Great idea, but totally useless from the coming into play tapped part.
Maybe someday if there's ever Candelabra.dec this could find a home, but until then...

-BPK

[CCClark]

I did find crop rotating into a Library was amusing for a control throw together I made, but all in all it's probably useless in Vintage.  Too bad Academy is Legendary or it might be a laugh.