[TMC Open]The Mana Clash Open(Midnight Edition)November 4, Stratford, CT

[iamfishman]

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From the lunatic who brings you The Mana Drain Open(Waterbury) and The Mana Leak Open(Stratford) comes the meeting of these two giants:

THE MANA CLASH OPEN 1(Midnight Edition)

When: Saturday/Sunday, November 4, 2006

Time: Satuday Night at 5:00 PM running non-stop until around 9:00 am Sunday morning.

AND THEN WHAT?: Well, then we all imvade Hometown Buffet for the largest Magic The Gathering Brunch in recorded history!

Where: Gamingetc Tournament Center and SuperStore
555 Lordship Boulevard (Exit 30 off I95)
Stratford CT 06615
1-800-380-1115 or 203-849-0186
Lodgings: If any are interested in Lodgings, please mention it in a reply to this thread. I may be able to establish a special room rate at the nearby Ramada Inn

Dopeness Factor: The limit as x approaches the value arrived at by solving the following riddle from the right of 1/x. Riddle: Two buildings are connected by a 40 foot wire of uniform weight per inch. The wire is attached the buildings at the same height above ground level. The wire hangs between the two buildings and is called a catenary. If the wire, at its lowest point is 20 feet below the position of attachment to the building, how far apart are the buildings.
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EVENT 1: TYPE 1 MANA CLASH TOURNAMENT
Registration: 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM Saturday Night
Tourney Starts PROMPTLY at 6:00 PM(To avoid a prolonged tournament, this will be strictly enforced. Latecomers will be subject to a round 1 loss.)

Cost: $20 Entry Fee

Format: Vintage

Proxies: 10 Porxies + $1 per proxy(15 proxies maximum)

Prizes/Tournament Structure: I have a unique idea for prize support/tournament structure that I hope to try out. Let me Tarrentino it for you and go backwards. I’ll give you all the reasons for why I think things should be run this way, then I will tell you how I think the event should be run, and finally, I would like you to go back to the reasons and see if they match appropriately.
1.) Because this is my first time doing this, I have no rough estimate for attendance.
2.) Top 8s/16s take FOREVER.
3.) Sometimes some may have a perfect record after swiss, and than get hosed two games of the top 8, and end up with a draft set.
4.) Tiebreakers shouldn’t matter.
5.) Final rounds of a tournament, where the top 8 going into the last round all realize they could draw one another in wastes an hour of everyone’s time.
6.) Players can know exactly what they have the potential to win.
7.) Teammates scooping to others gives an unfair advantage to some, making magic into a popularity contest.
8.) Long events suck.
9.) Insert other random reason I am forgetting here.

The tournament, regardless of how many players we have, will be run with 5 rounds of swiss. After the 5 rounds, prizes will be awarded based on standings after 5 rounds. This is what I have so far, tell me if it seems reasonable(keep in mind that the highest prizes are not on par with the highest prizes of Waterbury because more people will be receiving them(as opposed to one person in 175 winning a Lotus). Also, I welcome ideas for things I can use as choice for prizes.

Record Prize Choices:
5-0 Choice of: LOA/TIMETWISTER/$125/60 Packs
4-0-1 Choice of: 4 Force of Wills/$65/Booster box
4-1 Choice of: 2 Dual Lands/25 boosters/$40
3-0-2 Choice of: Any Dual Land/12 boosters/$25
3-1-1 Choice of: Any Dual Land/10 boosters/$20
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EVENT 2: LEGACY MANA CLASH TOURNAMENT
Registration: 11:00 PM - 12:00 AM Saturday Night
Tourney Starts PROMPTLY at 12:00 AM-Midnight Sunday Morning(To avoid a prolonged tournament, this will be strictly enforced. Latecomers will be subject to a round 1 loss.)

Cost: $20 Entry Fee

Format: Legacy

Proxies: No proxies Allowed

Prizes/Tournament Structure: * See above for numbered reasons for doing this.

The tournament, regardless of how many players we have, will be run with 5 rounds of swiss. After the 5 rounds, prizes will be awarded based on standings after 5 rounds. This is what I have so far, tell me if it seems reasonable(keep in mind that the highest prizes are not on par with the highest prizes of Waterbury because more people will be receiving them(as opposed to one person in 175 winning a Lotus). Also, I welcome ideas for things I can use as choice for prizes.

Record Prize Choices:
5-0 Choice of: 4 Sea Drake/LOA/TIMETWISTER/$125/60 Packs
4-0-1 Choice of: 4 Force of Wills/$65/Booster box
4-1 Choice of: 2 Dual Lands/2 Pithing Needle/25 boosters/$40
3-0-2 Choice of: 1 Reset/Any Dual Land/1 Pithing Needle/12 boosters/$25
3-1-1 Choice of: Any Dual Land/1 Pithing Needle/10 boosters/$20
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{{EDIT}}At the end of the night, the records of players for both events will be calculated to determine a combined match point total between the two events.  The top 8 players based on total match points will play in a bracketed top 8.  The prizes will include bragging rights as well as additional prize support, and the “Champion of the night trophy" for the winner.{{EDIT}}

Other events: More info to come

Magic Trivia
Magic Scattegories
Type 4 Tournament
Video Games(Free use all night)
Team Competition
And possibly more

[Slack]

I think this sounds awesome and I'll go if I can.

[Harlequin]

Because of the starting times it is concievable to complete in both tournements right?

If so, we should totally have a prize for "OVERALL CHAMPION"  Highest points at the end of the night combined over both tournements.  It doesn't even have to be a Money Prize, just like a trophy ... OR A BELT! 
EDIT: And the right to walk into the next Mana Clash, with the belt over your shoulder, with theme music.  So much potential.

Ya know, no offence to the tournement structure, I actually really like it... but come on... it wouldn't be a tournement without someone being the "winner."

[Whatever Works]

With as many people as I think your going to get maybe you should make the legacy event 6 rounds.

I know your way saves time, and allows for alot less rounds which is nice, but I know alot of people who like alot of rounds, b/c playing magic is just awsome regardless of where you stand in a tournement record wise.

I might like having a top 8 better, because even though it can possibly hurt the player who goes undefeated in swiss... At the same time your idea hurts the guy who gets unlucky that 1 round he gets paired up vs goblins etc. and then wins out the rest of the way. But your scenario kinda favors who wins/loses when. IDK. Just saying that If I am going to be playing at an overnight magic event, and I am stuck there... I would want to play as much magic as possible.

Kyle

[Evenpence]

I want to play both Vintage and Legacy Ray!

That's my only complaint.  The Prize Structure seems fine to me - I'm always up for experimenting with Magic.  And with...other things...Ray.   

If we CAN play in both tournaments (I just scrolled up - is that what you were going for?), what if someone wins both / places 2nd in both / places 1st in one and 2nd in the other in BOTH tournaments?

Would you let him choose someone to play his deck, or would the idea be scrapped right there? 

[freakish777]

It sounds like the times wouldn't overlap that great.  If round 1 begins at 6pm for Vintage, add 5+ hours to get to 11+pm, you'd be cutting it really close to that 11:59pm start time for Legacy.  Only way I could see someone playing in both would be to ID your last match of Vintage (unless Ray intends on running really tight rounds, which I'd be cool with, I definitely would want to play in both).

[iamfishman]

With as many people as I think your going to get maybe you should make the legacy event 6 rounds.

I know your way saves time, and allows for alot less rounds which is nice, but I know alot of people who like alot of rounds, b/c playing magic is just awsome regardless of where you stand in a tournement record wise.

Actually, for those who like alot of rounds, they can actually play 10 rounds(5 of legacy and 5 of vintage) which is 3 more than were at The Mana Leak Open or 2 more than at a Day 1 Waterbury.

I might like having a top 8 better, because even though it can possibly hurt the player who goes undefeated in swiss... At the same time your idea hurts the guy who gets unlucky that 1 round he gets paired up vs goblins etc. and then wins out the rest of the way. But your scenario kinda favors who wins/loses when. IDK. Just saying that If I am going to be playing at an overnight magic event, and I am stuck there... I would want to play as much magic as possible.

Kyle

Actually, my method HELPS the person who loses round 1, since this person can win the same prize for going 4-1 as someone who wins 4 and loses the last round.

Because of the starting times it is concievable to complete in both tournements right?

If so, we should totally have a prize for "OVERALL CHAMPION"  Highest points at the end of the night combined over both tournements.  It doesn't even have to be a Money Prize, just like a trophy ... OR A BELT! 
EDIT: And the right to walk into the next Mana Clash, with the belt over your shoulder, with theme music. So much potential.

Ya know, no offence to the tournement structure, I actually really like it... but come on... it wouldn't be a tournement without someone being the "winner."

Good idea...I'm going to change what I said about the 1st and opposite event 2nd seed teaming and playing.

Here is a really good idea.  After both events, I will calculate the top 8 players based on both events.  Conceivably someone could have 30 match points at the end of the 2 events and be the first seed.  These 8 will play a top 8 for extra prizes, a trophy, and bragging rights.

[ashiXIII]

I pretty much have to choose between this and SCG for November tournies. On one hand, SCG has a much better prize structure. On the other hand, this is infinitely closer, AND I get to be locked in a room all night with Ray. This sounds like a lot more fun, but SCG seems a bit more competitive. I guess I have to see what my team wants to do.

[Evenpence]

I pretty much have to choose between this and SCG for November tournies. On one hand, SCG has a much better prize structure. On the other hand, this is infinitely closer, AND I get to be locked in a room all night with Ray. This sounds like a lot more fun, but SCG seems a bit more competitive. I guess I have to see what my team wants to do.

Joe, you can't attend both!?  C'mon man!  I'd really like it if you could go to Ray's Sleepover thing, as I've never been to anything officially run by Ray, and I'd really like to be able to go up to Stratford. 

Actually, my method HELPS the person who loses round 1, since this person can win the same prize for going 4-1 as someone who wins 4 and loses the last round.

Yeah, he said that it favors WHEN you lose - I.E., someone who loses the last round and the first round get the same prize support.  However, it sucks when you face a random matchup, such as Goblins, and lose, and are therefore not eligible for T8, or to win it all.

[ashiXIII]

I pretty much have to choose between this and SCG for November tournies. On one hand, SCG has a much better prize structure. On the other hand, this is infinitely closer, AND I get to be locked in a room all night with Ray. This sounds like a lot more fun, but SCG seems a bit more competitive. I guess I have to see what my team wants to do.

Joe, you can't attend both!?  C'mon man!  I'd really like it if you could go to Ray's Sleepover thing, as I've never been to anything officially run by Ray, and I'd really like to be able to go up to Stratford. 

Actually, my method HELPS the person who loses round 1, since this person can win the same prize for going 4-1 as someone who wins 4 and loses the last round.

Yeah, he said that it favors WHEN you lose - I.E., someone who loses the last round and the first round get the same prize support.  However, it sucks when you face a random matchup, such as Goblins, and lose, and are therefore not eligible for T8, or to win it all.

Time off work + cash on hotel/gas/entries/food are both problems. So is convincing my team to attend both.

[Harlequin]

First place is going to be an endurance test.  Like the f-in' Ironman of magic.

14 rounds ... over 18 hours of magic ... and will need to go almost undefeated.  @_@

Top 8 will be vintage presumably? 

[T00L]

This is probably going to be the greatest thing ever. Sadly this is probably going to force me to commit to building a legacy deck and buying resets x_x;;;

[emidln]

Top8 should alternate between formats: 2HG with the winning teams playing Legacy then Vintage.

[ashiXIII]

Top8 should alternate between formats: 2HG with the winning teams playing Legacy then Vintage.

Top 8 should obv. be a Beta booster draft.

[T00L]

Top8 should alternate between formats: 2HG with the winning teams playing Legacy then Vintage.

Top 8 should obv. be a Beta booster draft.

QFT

[iamfishman]

How about a Revised-Arabian Nights-Antiquities Roteserie Draft?  (That's where you lay out a set of Revised, Arabians, and Antiquities out on a table and one by one draft every card out of it.)  Should be a blast to watch!

[Kowal]

Actually, get ctthespian in here, and let's draft Alpha!

[T00L]

How about a Revised-Arabian Nights-Antiquities Roteserie Draft?  (That's where you lay out a set of Revised, Arabians, and Antiquities out on a table and one by one draft every card out of it.)  Should be a blast to watch!

This just keeps getting better and better

[technogeek5000]

Wow another tournament, that was fast, its like, what, 4 tournements in 4 months... (TMD open at end of july, TML open middle of august i think, Chang love benefit, and this)

Iamfishman... you seriously could hold a tournement underwater in the middle of the atlantic and a flock of squids (the obvious nerd of the ocean) would come to play, even if the prize structure was based strictly on large amounts of fried squid.

Im bringing BUW control and gonna get my dad to run blue green landkill.

This will be a ton of fun, (voice in my head)hehe that ryhmes...(jock voices in my head) shut up

TNG 5000,

[Mr. Nightmare]

Will the Hot Mom make a second appearance?

[ashiXIII]

How about a Revised-Arabian Nights-Antiquities Roteserie Draft?  (That's where you lay out a set of Revised, Arabians, and Antiquities out on a table and one by one draft every card out of it.)  Should be a blast to watch!

To be honest, I was thinking about seriously suggesting a rotisserie Beta draft. You can use a CE set to do it, so it's actually feasible. I did it once, and it was ridiculously fun. The two problems are: finding a CE set to use for the top 8, and it'd take for-freaking-ever.

[iamfishman]

Some important replies, updates, and changes:

Because of the starting times it is concievable to complete in both tournements right?

Yes, I will be running very tight rounds and adhereing to the start time of Vintage so that everyone can play in both events.

Ya know, no offence to the tournement structure, I actually really like it... but come on... it wouldn't be a tournement without someone being the "winner."

This is very true, hence my next point.

First place is going to be an endurance test.  Like the f-in' Ironman of magic.

14 rounds ... over 18 hours of magic ... and will need to go almost undefeated.  @_@

Top 8 will be vintage presumably? 

Actually, it will be 10 rounds prior to the top 8 to determine the Eternal Champion of the night.  And when you hear how you place in that top 8, you will see that you certainly don't need to go undefeated(though it won't hurt.)

This is probably going to be the greatest thing ever. Sadly this is probably going to force me to commit to building a legacy deck and buying resets x_x;;;

Here's to trying something new and being open to fun ideas.

Top 8 should obv. be a Beta booster draft.

I agree, unfortunately I don't have a Beta Set.

What I do have are a Revised Set, and Antiquities Set, and an Arabian Nights Set. 

The top 8 will be a Revised, Arabian Nights, Antiquities Rotessiere Draft.  All 500+ cards from these sets will be laid out on a table, and players will take turns choosing one card.  When all the cards have been selected players will make a 40 card limited deck adding any number of basic lands of their choosing.  This will be the format for the top 8.  Truly an Eternal Event. The top 8 will be using my sets for the draft, but they WONT get to keep the cards, the prizes will consist of other things.

How do I make it into this top 8 of the night?

Simple.  At the end of BOTH tournaments, the total number of match points in both events for each player will be calculated.  The top 8 players according to these totals will be placed into the top 8 for additional prizes and the prize of the title "Eternal Champ of the Night."

What are these extra prizes?

Good question.  I'm not sure yet.  The winner will at least get a trophy.  Since I have no idea of attendance I may have to base this added prize support on number of total entrants.

What about the Brunch, Magic Scattegories, Magic Trivia, etc?

I'm going to try this.  Have Magic Scattegories and Magic Trivia while the top 8 are drafting and playing.  This could happen right after a Brunch (which would be awesome if we can arrange to have tons of yummy food delivered there.)  I will be looking into this.

The only thing that concerns me is the start time for legacy. I know I'd drop dead playing that late, never mind starting that late! I understand you want both groups to be able to play, and it does sound like a great idea and a lot of fun, I just think you'll lose a lot of people to sleep deprivation and have a lot of play mistakes for us old fogeys.

Somethings that I really want people to understand are:
1.) This is not replacing TMD Open or TML Open.
2.) This is something FUN(lets not forget this reason for playing magic) that I thought of when I think of parties I have gone to with fellow magic players.  Granted, their will be no drinking, but all the comrodary and fun of a night of hanging out with buds and playing magic sounds like something I really was psyched about organizing.
3.) If you are not coming, that is okay with me.  I don't expect this to be the size of a Waterbury.  That said, there will be alot of people having alot of fun, and if you want to be part of this, don't miss out.  Start planning now.
4.) If people came down for the one day Legacy Event, what is wrong with a one night event.  Simply adjust your sleep schedule for that day.  Drive Friday night, Sleep Satruday Day, and you will be right as rain for playing.

I'm just going to reiterate my concerns about an all-night event that is 6 hours away from where I live.

I don't see any benefit to running this all night (instead of all day, or over two days), unless me and whoever I might take with me not being there is a benefit.

Again, this tournament, because of its overnight structure, is much more condusive to local(New England, New York, New Jersey) players.  I realize this.  This is NOT to say that I don't want others to come up for the event, just that I don't know what to tell you about being upset about the difficulty of attending if you have a 12 hour drive.

I don't care if the event is sanctioned or not. It's all about playing in a cool tournament.

QFT...however...

Also, sanctioning=good, why would you want it unsanctioned? That's the only thing I don't understand. Even if you don't use your eternal rating, then you shouldn't care about it. For me, it's a good way to remember past tourneys as well and check to see who the people I played against are...

As I have said, I simply have not really had the time to look into sanctioning.  Its not as though I am against it.  However again...

In regards to that. If ray cannot sanction the tournament. Dragon's lair in West Springfield will sponsor the sanctioning of the legacy event.

All I am waiting for is a response from Ray himself.

Bill

Bill, call me. 860-618-3412.  Let's talk about this possibility.

I'm not sure how I feel about the way you're running the prize support, Ray. let me think on it a bit and I'll get back to you.

You never got back to me with your opinions

Ray - I know GamingEtc. has a no outside drink policy. Is coffee going to be provided? God knows we'll need it.

Good question...I'll see if they will make an exception for this.  God knows, people will need it.

Is their a deal for playing in Both?

There is not.  This is simply because my prize support is based proportionally on the number of players.

This tourney sounds fun as hell. I don't see anything wrong with it. Jager bombs seem necessary for this type of event though!
AoD

Sorry, as was said, alcohol will be strictly prohibitted and anyone drinking on premises will be asked to leave.  I hate to be the party pooper, but there will be minors and so I would have no tolerance for such a situation.

[Mr. Nightmare]

Consider this my getting back to you.  I will be there, one way or another.  I will also be making top 8.  I really, really want to draft those sets.  That in itself would be reason enough for me to go.  Anything above that is icing on the cake.

[Angel of Despair]

    I will definately be there, but I will probably not top 8. Mr, Nightmare, you can just do it for me. I am looking foreward to meeting all of you. This is going to be my 2nd big tournament. It would be cool if it was sanctioned, but I will probably do bad anyway, Pressure+Late night= suck! Who knows, I may surprise myself.

btw, this is my first post here, but I'm not a n00b! I post elsewhere too.

~AoD

[T00L]

    I will definately be there, but I will probably not top 8. Mr, Nightmare, you can just do it for me. I am looking foreward to meeting all of you. This is going to be my 2nd big tournament. It would be cool if it was sanctioned, but I will probably do bad anyway, Pressure+Late night= suck! Who knows, I may surprise myself.

btw, this is my first post here, but I'm not a n00b! I post elsewhere too.

~AoD

eh no pressure its just a card game

[T00L]

Will there be feature matches at this event? I loves me some feature matches

[iamfishman]

Will there be feature matches at this event? I loves me some feature matches

I might just do so, now that I am getting to know some of the names in Legacy.

Ray

[AbouTreeFiddy]

THIS EVENT NEEDS MORE DAVE FEINSTEIN

[Sporkcore]

I'm working on trying to get some of the Long Island T1 players down that I know, but it looks like I'll probably be the only one coming down (or going up if you want to get technical) that I know of.

[Harlequin]

Can we confirm that the Legacy deck can contain physical cards from the vintage deck?  (as in we wont have to have both the vintage deck and the legacy deck physically contructed at the same point in time).

Here is the dillema:
Me, My Brother, and a good friend of mine share cards.  and we will all be participating in this event.   So thats 6 decks.

Will I be able to take cards from say ... my brothers Vintage deck, to build my Legacy deck... without causing an issue/makeing a deck he is attempting to play - illegal?

Obviously the three vintage decks will be mutually exclusive, and the three Legacy decks will be mutually exclusive.  But I hope there is time to pillage the the vintage decks to complete the legacy decks.... If not then make sure there are plenty of vendors with affordable fetchlands ... cause theres no way 10 polluted deltas will be enough