Yawgmoth, Emperor of Evil

[chrissss]

Yawgmoth, Emperor of darkness


Legendary creature - Demon
If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
Pay one life; draw a card.
Yawgmoth is indestructable, as long as your hand is empty
6/6
 
I am the darkness, I am the Evil, I am Yawgmoth, emperer of all.


I have been thinking of a card that could have been Yawgmoth, ever since the Time spiral set was anounced. Obviously Yawgmoth has to be a killer card, and it should be very powerfull.
I thought of many Yawgmoth versions, but this one seemed very powerfull, but not too broken.
If it is, suggest a version which wouldn't be too broken. The discard your hand stops a lot of combos imo, but still.


Current Wording

Yawgmoth, Emperor of darkness


Legendary creature - Demon
Flying, trample
Yawgmoth is indestructable
If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
Pay one life; draw a card.
; untill end of turn, you may play cards from a graveyard as though they were in your hand. cards put into your graveyard this turn are removed from the game.

6/6
 
I am the darkness, I am the Evil, I am Yawgmoth, emperer of all.

[andrewpate]

I think that cheating him into play is still too nutty.  He needs either a Phage clause or something similar.  It's like Rector Tendrils only you don't have to have a way to sacrifice Academy Rector.  You could run him in Oath/Draw7 or in some kind of Reanimator deck in Extended.  It doesn't matter if you discard your hand first, because drawing 19 cards will almost always win the game.

[emidln]

At the very least you shouldn't get to draw with this guy in play.

[parallax]

"Pay 1 life: Draw a card" is broken no matter what permanent you put it on. Especially so on the card type that's easiest to cheat into play. Find something better to use.

[Slack]

how about something like:

If a card would be put into your graveyard, remove it from the game instead.
Pay 2 life: return target card in your graveyard to your hand.

[Matt]

I don't think ANY card could ever be cool enough to encapsulate Yawgmoth, Father of Machines.

[Anusien]

So the Rector combo now just costs B to Reanimate Yawgmoth?  No freaking way.

[Elric]

How about something like:

Yawgmoth, Emperor of Darkness

Legendary Creature - Demon
, Pay one life; draw a card.
, Pay two life: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand
Yawgmoth, Emperor of Darkness is indestructible
6/6

[dandan]

Why is Yawgmoth such a wimp? Also mention the word Yawgmoth and everyone thinks Will/Win. Thus

Yawgmoth, Emperor of darkness
     
Legendary creature - Demon
Flying, Trample
If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
You cannot draw cards. If a card would go to your graveyard, instead it is removed from the game.
You may play cards in any graveyard as if they were in your hand.
Yawgmoth is indestructable
6/6
Fear, despair, hate. Your weaknesses make me invincible!

Note that although he has an ability that makes the world your bitch, even if someone deals with that ability, a 6/6 Flying Trampling Indestructible bundle of pain can kick sand in the face of just about anything (Akroma can deal with him)

The flavour text is meant to try to explain why he can draw on the power of opponents and why he is Indestructible. It also hints that he can be defeated.

[chrissss]

Legendary creature - Demon
trample
If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
,Pay one life; draw a card.
, Pay 3 life; you may play cards from your graveyard as though they were in your hand untill end of turn.
Yawgmoth is indestructable
7/7


I was thinking, now it is a Yawgwill and bargain in one. Only slightly worse.

Does Yawgmoth have flying? I dont seem to recall him having flying from the novels though

7/7 without flying, otherwise 6/6.

[dandan]

Why is Yawgmoth's Will weaker when he is around? From a flavour perspective either Yawgmoth gets the ability or he doesn't. A weaker ability just doesn't make sense. From a gaming perspective, you can't give a creature the Yawgmoth's Bargain ability as Anusien said

So the Rector combo now just costs B to Reanimate Yawgmoth?  No freaking way.

However Will is broken in a different way to Bargain and making the Will ability even stronger is cool but rather win more (although the idea of Yawgmoth coming into play [by some means, Necromancy for example] to foil a YawgWill is rather appealling to the Timmy in me).

Regarding Flying, Yawgmoth's Demon had Flying, the main man shouldbe superior to underlings.

[chrissss]

well, I mean, its not because Yawgmoth is there, that the ability should cost the same. Ertai's counterspell in tempest costs UU, but ertai himself counters for 2UU.

so either Yawgmoth becomes a meany with bargain and will into one card, and I give him the Phage drawback, so that he can only be hardcasted, but that wouldn't be fun imo. Or I give them watered down versions of his 2 cards, and make them a bit more expensive, like the version I have now.

[dandan]

You realise that the current version means you win if Time Walk is in the graveyard? The Will ability needs RFG or else it is even more broken than usual.

Ertai's Meddling actually cost  so I don't think we can say it is cheaper, likewise, Ertai the Corrupted countered for plus the sacrifice of a Creature or Enchantment.

You could cost his abilities at
; You may play cards in any graveyard as though they were in your hand until end of turn
; Until end of turn, any time you could play an Instant you may pay 1 life. If you do, draw a card

Now they cost the same as the cards they reflect.

I like the idea of being able to YawgWill any graveyard. In order for it to work, I think it needs templating so that any cards you play are RFGed so you can't continually Time Walk using someone else's Time Walk.

The Phage ability was cute on Phage. Another use would be unimaginative. If we have to reuse a mechanic for preventing reanimation I suggest we use Darksteel Colossus's. Having said that, I kind of like the idea of Yawgmoth coming out of the graveyard.

Another alternative is to combine the Yawgmoth effects (ignoring the unimpressive Yawgmoth's Edict  )

Pay one life; You may play target card in a graveyard as though it were in your hand. If it would go to a graveyard this turn, instead remove it from the game.

It might be necessary to add ',remove your graveyard from the game' to the Yawgmoth CIP effects if the above ability is chosen.

[chrissss]

I kinda meant "counterspell" from tempest, where the flavour text says "it was probably a lousy spell in the first place" - ertai Orim, samite healer prevents a lousy 3 damage, while orims chant is amazing.
Same goes for Akromas vengeance, she destroys everything, but in play ( except for having 7 awesome abilities) she can' destroy anything. Well you get my point.
Anyway,  I liked the idea, and I changed it. Now he isnt broken on a first or 2nd turn reanimate. Plus he is weak against biabolic edicts and such.

[Anusien]

No.  The card should not replicate either Will or Bargain.  Those cards are BROKEN and should be played, especially on top of a 6/6 body.  Besides the "drawbacks" are neglible for a 6/6 indestructable flier.  Discard your hand?  Sure, since you'll Ritual + Will it back anyway.  No No No No No.

[dandan]

No.  The card should not replicate either Will or Bargain.  Those cards are BROKEN and should be played, especially on top of a 6/6 body.  Besides the "drawbacks" are neglible for a 6/6 indestructable flier.  Discard your hand?  Sure, since you'll Ritual + Will it back anyway.  No No No No No.

That is why I suggested:

If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
You cannot draw cards. If a card would go to your graveyard, instead it is removed from the game.

That way you can't just Ritual and Will it back anyway. In any case if you have the mana to get this into play and a Dark Ritual and Will in hand (so we can safely say we are talking Vintage) I am fairly sure most people would agree that the opponent is in deep poo-poo regardless of Yawgmoth.
There is no point making a wimpy Yawgmoth.

[Anusien]

Why not play on some of the other Yawgmoth affects instead of that one?  He was a powerful medic who engineered an entire continent of cyborgs.  He created an entire race/country, Phrexia and almost took over Dominaria.  From reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yawgmoth it seems like a better flavor fit is Indestructible and enhancing creatures.

[lordmayhem]

Why is Yawgmoth a demon and why does he have flying?

Also I think its insane to add both the Bargain and Will ability on him. Making him a beefier indestructible trampler with just the will ability sounds a bit more balanced than having two broken abilities on a beefy creature which flies and is indestructible.

[dandan]

That is more or less what I initially suggested.

I haven't read the books so as the initial card was a Demon I kept it as a Demon. As a Demon, it should fly.

[Anusien]

Lim-Dul's card didn't cast Lim-Dul's Vault, and Mishra doesn't make 2/2 tokens.  Kaervek doesn't torch.  (Ith is an exception, of coures ).  I'd much rather see some new and interesting design space explored on this guy.  Maybe sac a creature to Ashnod's Transmogrant or something else interesting that plays on what he did in the storyline.  If you don't know anything about the storyline, don't make the card.  (And read the storyline off that Wikipedia link I posted.  It's fascinating.)

[GerryMander]

For one thing, I don't think that Yawgmoth should get a card.  He was a friggin' god for crying out loud!

Also, what is up with that card drawing ability.  Just let that part die.  I think that the graveyard effect is enough...

[Darkenslight]

How about this?

Yawgmoth, Rector of Machines

Legendary Creature - Human Wizard Cleric
Flying, trample, first strike.
Yawgmoth is indestructible.
Cards in your graveyard have flashback equal to their mana cost.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, sacrifice a permenent other than Yawgmoth.  If you don't, you lose 10 life.

4/4

[asmoranomardicodais]

Why are we making YAwgmoth a card? Firstly, he seems to close to a planeswalker for this to be possible. Secondly, any card we make of Yawgmoth is automatically not going to be as cool as he is. I just wanted to voice my opposition to this card being created.

[chrissss]

@asmoranomardicodais , I see your point, but Akroma became 10 times cooler after the card was released. Before it was just some blue haired bimbo angel, while now she is one killer lady. This wont happen with yawgmoth though, thats true.



After reading the article I do agree that he has to change.

Maybe in a completely different way, but I will think about it.
he isnt a demon, thats for sure.

ps: in the storyline; the Card pernicious deed, it says " yawgmoth, You will pay for your treachery"
what does that have to do with the storyline anyone?

cheers.


also, I was thinking of remaking yawgmoth, so he suits the guy in the storyline. something like



Yawgmoth, Emperor of darkness
      
Legendary creature - Human cleric wizard
First strike, Trample, Yawgmoth is indestructable
, pay one life; All non artifact creatures get -1-1 untill end of turn.
:Until end of turn You may play artifacts and creatures from all graveyards as though they were in your hand. Cards put into a graveyard this turn are removed from the game.

6/6

Flesh, bones, skin, muscles... Your mortal weakness makes me invincible!

like this its more storyline related imo. He hates everythign organic, so non artifacts wouldnt be affected. hence the flavour.

Any thoughts?

[AmbivalentDuck]

Yawgmoth, Emperor of darkness
     
Legendary creature - Demon
Flying, Trample
If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.
You cannot draw cards. If a card would go to your graveyard, instead it is removed from the game.
You may play cards in any graveyard as if they were in your hand.
Yawgmoth is indestructable
6/6
Fear, despair, hate. Your weaknesses make me invincible!

I really like this version.  You just need to have your land taken away, too.  How about changing

If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand.

to

If Yawgmoth would come into play, instead remove your hand from the game and sacrifice all non-legendary permanents you control.  If you played Yawgmoth from your hand, put it into play; otherwise, lose 12 life and put it into play.

Now, it's overpowered but not broken if you tweak the casting cost to 6-ish. 12 life is to make sure that Reanimate and Life/Death can't bring it back.  The legendary permanents escaping destruction is a reference to his habit of trying use his *powerful* enemies rather than destroying them. Or at least toying with them for a while.

[lordmayhem]

Choosing a creature type for Yawgmoth is difficult. As such, Yawgmoth wasn't a demon. Yawgmoth was definitely not a Human Cleric Wizard after he became one with Phyrexia. I don't even think Yawgmoth can attack. Look at Yawgmoth's Bargain. He seems to be attached to the ground.

As such, I was wondering if perhaps he could be:

A bulky creature...say 6/6 with Defender.
Generates artifact creature tokens, Yawgmoth DID create armies.
Can replay cards from a graveyard OR reanimate creatures.

The creature type is the biggest problem with Yawgmoth. What can you really define him as? Legendary Creature - Demigod anyone?

[parallax]

The biggest problem with Yawgmoth is that he's not the sort of character that should have his own card. It would be like making an Urza card. Yawgmoth is on par with a planeswalker, and no planeswalker should be able to summon him to do his or her bidding.

[lordmayhem]

Even though we can summon Memnarch?

[chrissss]

what about

Yawgmoth's shade

5 BBB

Legendary creature - Demon Shade
First strike, Trample, Yawgmoth is indestructable
, pay one life; All non artifact creatures get -1-1 untill end of turn.
:Until end of turn You may play artifacts and creatures from all graveyards as though they were in your hand. Cards put into a graveyard this turn are removed from the game.

6/6


Flesh, blood, skin and bones; It shares all its hates with its dark emperor

[parallax]

Even though we can summon Memnarch?

Yawgmoth >>>>>>>> Memnarch