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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2006, 11:10:22 am » |
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Even though we can summon Memnarch?
Yawgmoth >>>>>>>> Memnarch Memnarch isn't a planeswalker as far as i know? Teferi is, and he got a card. Karn got a card aswell, but he wasn't a planeswalker at that time. /Zeus |
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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2006, 11:39:01 am » |
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Even though we can summon Memnarch?
Yawgmoth >>>>>>>> Memnarch Memnarch isn't a planeswalker as far as i know? Teferi is, and he got a card. Karn got a card aswell, but he wasn't a planeswalker at that time. /Zeus Memnarch is not a planeswalker. Teferi is a planeswalker, but I'm pretty sure the Teferi card represents Teferi before he became one. Time rifts and all that. (or, after reading his flavor text, after losing his planeswalking ability.)Karn's card represents Karn before he became a planeswalker. Yawgmoth is also not a planeswalker, but he is at least as powerful, if not more powerful than one. This is the guy Urza fought for millenia. And you want to reduce him to a 6/6 creature? |
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How about choosing a non-legend creature? Otherwise he is a UG instant Wrath of Frog. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2006, 03:54:43 pm » |
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Even though we can summon Memnarch?
Yawgmoth >>>>>>>> Memnarch That's not the point. Neither one is a planeswalker. In fact, both Yawgmoth and Memnarch wanted to become a planeswalker. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2006, 04:14:25 pm » |
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So the real question is: Can we print a god?
Might i suggest that we use suspend?
Summoning a god should take a long time, and be very time and resource consuming.
He could be virtually unbeatable when in play, as long as its immensely hard to get him there.
Something like:
Yawgmoth
Legendary Creature - DemiGod
Flying, trample, haste, indestructable, can't be the target of spells or abilities
Suspend 4BBB - 15
As long as Yawgmoth is in play or suspended, pay BBBB each upkeep or remove him from the game.
If Yawgmoth would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Yawgmoth and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
When Yawgmoth comes into play, if you didn't play it from your hand, you lose the game.
25/25
This guy is big mean, will win the game if he hits the board...but its really hard to get him there....the wording is pretty messy though, but it was necessary to make sure he won't get "cheated" into play.
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2006, 04:53:24 pm » |
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I dunno. That makes him considerably more annoying than Marit-Lage to get into play...and not really any more powerful.
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2006, 09:39:03 pm » |
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Literally ANY ability you give this card is going to be disappointing to a Yawgmoth fan. That's why we should never make a Yawgmoth card.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2006, 09:50:33 pm » |
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Literally ANY ability you give this card is going to be disappointing to a Yawgmoth fan. That's why we should never make a Yawgmoth card.
100% agreed. If you summonned Yawgmoth, he would defeat your opponent, defeat you, win the tournament, and fly away with the tournament organizer's girlfriend. Basically, it would be like trying to summon Dave Feinstein. Too powerful for any card. |
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2006, 11:50:29 pm » |
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the wording is pretty messy though, but it was necessary to make sure he won't get "cheated" into play.
Angel's Grace + Oath Tooth and Nail + Platz Just off the top of my head. |
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2006, 11:53:35 pm » |
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As long as Yawgmoth is in play or suspended, pay BBBB each upkeep or remove him from the game.
If Yawgmoth would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Yawgmoth and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
When Yawgmoth comes into play, if you didn't play it from your hand, you lose the game. Two Problems. First, if Yawgmoth is suspended, removing him from the game does nothing because a suspended card is already removed from the game. Second, if you suspend Yawgmoth and wait fifteen turns, you lose the game since you didn't play him from your hand. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2006, 02:10:26 am » |
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Literally ANY ability you give this card is going to be disappointing to a Yawgmoth fan. That's why we should never make a Yawgmoth card.
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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2006, 03:35:26 am » |
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Okay so my wording isn't perfect Heh  But that isn't what you guys should be focusing on, wording can be fixed. Instead look at my proposed idea. I tried to create an über powerful creature which was incredibly difficult to summon and impossible to cheat into play. /Zeus Attempt to fix the wording: Yawgmoth Legendary Creature - Demi God Flying, trample, haste, indestructable, can't be the target of spells or abilities You can't play spells or abilities while Yawgmoth is in play. Suspend 4BBB - 15 As long as Yawgmoth is suspended, pay BBBB each upkeep or put three suspend counters on it.. As Yawgmoth comes into play, if you didn't play it with suspend, you lose the game. 25/25 |
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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2006, 04:55:14 am » |
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Zeus :
The problem with this kind of concept is that an impossibly hard creature to play (yes it is impossible, it gives 15+ turns for your opponent to come up with a solution against it or just beat you) is extremely disappointing.
I think Yawgmoth should be designed like the Vanguard cards, giving you the ability to replay stuff from your grave or draw 2 cards a turn or some such brokenness.
I don't think its possible to turn someone as badass as Yawgmoth was/is into a creature. Can you imagine how retarded that sounds?
Ok, you summoned Grizzly Bears? I summon : YAWGMOTH FATHER OF MACHINES.
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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2006, 05:10:28 am » |
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So the real question is: Can we print a god?
Yeah i know, i actually asked the question in my other reply  I know its impossible to summon him before you loose the game, but lets face it: He is a God, that should take alot of time.....people seem to think of yawgmoth as an undercosted "i win" card....like Yawgmoth - 0 Legendary Creature - GOD. Yawgmoth can't be countered by spells or abilities If yawgmoth would be put into a graveyard return him to play instead. Haste, trample. 20/20. Or that horrible attempt at a Bargain/Will in ONE card. If we where to make Yawgmoth he would most definetly have to be a timmy card...at least the way i see it. Oh you summoned grizly bears? I summon Meloku! The flying beatdown - sounds about the same to me? /Zeus |
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2006, 05:57:40 am » |
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Like some people sayd, Yawgmoth is da shit. he is definately the coolest magic character, and probably one of the best badies ever.
Yawgmoth > sauron + sauroman + Balrog
making him a timmy card would be an idea, but then people would be disapointed because they cant play with it in good decks. Making him not powerfull enough, would be even worse.
Thats why I suggested making a yawgmoth clone, right hand, shade etc. These could be playable.
what about making a player into yawgmoth?
somethign like;
If yawgmoth leaves play, you lose the game. Yawgmoth haspower and toughness equal to your life total.
*other abilities*
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2006, 06:31:06 am » |
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Yawgmoth   Legendary creature - Demigod Trample If Yawgmoth comes into play, sacrifice all other creatures you control, and discard your hand. You cannot draw cards. If a card would go to your graveyard, instead it is removed from the game. You may play cards in any graveyard as if they were in your hand. Yawgmoth is indestructable 6/6 Fear, despair, hate. Your weaknesses make me invincible!Sorry but that is not just a Timmy card. Flavour-wise Protection from Artifacts would be cool but there is no room. If anyone would be disappointed to slam that on the table, words fail me. It is obviously a bit good in Type 4 and multiplayer and we need to look at reanimation and if that is a problem or a viable deck-building challenge. |
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2006, 01:34:00 pm » |
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I'm suprised no-one has taken this route... Teferi was a plainswalker, but they reprinted him at some other point in his life (either past or future)... Why not try to make a past form version of Yawgmoth, before he became a demigod? If I remember correctly from the book The Thran, he was a physician; a healer. Powerstones were making people sick, so he started making serums to heal them, but really he was causing disease/mutations...he saw improving them instead of curing them as a better solution, slowly turning them into the phyrexians.... Yawgmoth, Plague Healer  Legendary Creature - Human Physician At the beginning of your upkeep, put a -1/-1 counter on target creature. : Put target creature card that went to the graveyard from play this turn under your control with a +1/+1 counter on it. That creature counts as an artifact in addition to its types. 4/4 Kind of a Zombify on a stick. He makes them ill, then cures them in their new and improved form. Then it allows you to make a Past Urza, maybe with an ability to destroy artifacts/retrieve them from graveyard/control artifact creatures, etc that mirrors both Yawgmoth and his brother. |
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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2006, 03:42:03 pm » |
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Oh you summoned grizly bears? I summon Meloku! The flying beatdown - sounds about the same to me?
Nah not really. Oh you summoned a bear? I summon a demi-god! sounds different than Oh you summoned a bear? I summon a flying moonfolk guy! Its not really nitpicking, it just doesn't sound possible to be able to summon a god to do your bidding. I mean as a planeswalker you are less than god, how can you summon one? |
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2006, 05:28:55 pm » |
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Oh you summoned grizly bears? I summon Meloku! The flying beatdown - sounds about the same to me?
Nah not really. Oh you summoned a bear? I summon a demi-god! sounds different than Oh you summoned a bear? I summon a flying moonfolk guy! Its not really nitpicking, it just doesn't sound possible to be able to summon a god to do your bidding. I mean as a planeswalker you are less than god, how can you summon one? No both things sounds like something out of a yu-gi-oh game, really In several fantasy books people try to summon beings much more powerful then themselves..it usually back-fires in some way though. /Zeus |
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2006, 05:57:30 pm » |
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No both things sounds like something out of a yu-gi-oh game, really In several fantasy books people try to summon beings much more powerful then themselves..it usually back-fires in some way though. /Zeus That's a good point. What if Yawgmoth has a high chance of just randomly killing you. It doesn't seem out of character for Yawgmoth to help you out in exchange for...well...everything you own. And if you aren't powerful enough (not something you should know beforehand) just outright killing you and taking your stuff anyways. Maybe... Yawgmoth Father of Machines BBBBB. Player (new card type/mechanic), Starting life = 60 During Yawgmoth's untap step he must flip two coins. If both are heads, your opponent controls Yawgmoth's turn, otherwise you control Yawgmoth's turn. Yawgmoth has no library and does not lose the game if unable to draw a card. Yawgmoth may plays cards from any graveyard as though they were in his hand. |
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« Reply #49 on: October 13, 2006, 07:10:00 am » |
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I like the idea, but that would become a bit difficult I think.
anyway, bakerorgg Idea sounds really good, this way we can make a nice yawgmoth, while not being too powerfull like he became.
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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2006, 04:28:42 pm » |
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Ok, Its been fun, but we wont agree on a yawgmoth card anyway. We will jsut wait until Wotc gives us one.
Close please.
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