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« on: November 28, 2006, 04:46:23 pm »

Not even gonna attempt to make this legal in any format. This is my deck for kicking ass real quick when I don't want to play certain people

Creatures
2 Minion of the Wastes

Instants
4 Entomb
4 Dark Ritual
4 Reckless Charge
3 Fling

Sorceries
3 Exhume
3 Reanimate
1 Demonic Tutor

Artifacts
4 Lotus Petal
2 Chrome Mox

Land
7 Swamp
3 Mountain

2 Situations for the deck.
1. Get the Minion into play with Dark Ritual, Entomb, Exhume pay 19 life and then play a reckless charge making it a 22/19 for the win.
2. Reanimate the Minion, lose 6 life and pay 10. Attack turn 2 and then fling it.

This deck isn't meant to really have answers to bounce spells or anything. It either works or it doesn't but it's still fun.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2006, 06:17:07 am »

Seeing as you aren't bothered by the long game, you should be using lands that always give you the mana you require:
Badlands, Blood Crypt, City of Brass, Sulfurous Springs, Gemestone Mine, etc (You can take 1 damage and still hit them with a 21/18 trampler.

I suspect a classic Channel/Fireball (or Torch) deck would also be quite fast and less prone to creature removal/bounce.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2006, 07:20:04 pm »

If you 100% don't care about format legality, Tendrils seems like a better approach.  Assuming no power you basically want to go off Long style, with something like the following setup:

12 Lands
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Demonic Tutor
3 Contract from Below
3 Wheel of Fortune
3 Tendrils of Agony
4 Burning Wish
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Yawgmoth's Will (optionally Ill-Gotten Gains)
4 Yawgmoth's Bargain
4 Seething Song
4 Infernal Tutor

Sideboard:
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Contract from Beyond

Any suggestions?
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2006, 10:00:11 pm »

Updated 40 card absolutely not legal channel/fireball

4 channel
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Demonfire
4 Tinder Wall
4 Rite of Flame
4 Seething Song
4 Lotus Petal
2 Birds of Paradise/Chrome Mox?
4 Taiga
4 Stomping Ground
2 Gemstone Mine
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2006, 10:46:08 pm »

You definitely want Kaervek's Torch.  You can't guarantee not having a hand, and Kaervek is impossible to force turn 0.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2006, 02:13:37 pm »

Does anyone remember the old Microprose MTG computer game?  I got it when it first came out and this is the most powerful deck I could come up with at the time (of course it is totally illegal):

30 Black Lotus
20 Ball Lightning
10 Timetwister

I think I won almost every game on turn 1.  Requires proxies or MWS, obv.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 11:08:55 pm »

If you 100% don't care about format legality, Tendrils seems like a better approach.  Assuming no power you basically want to go off Long style, with something like the following setup:

12 Lands
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Demonic Tutor
3 Contract from Beyond
3 Wheel of Fortune
3 Tendrils of Agony
4 Burning Wish
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Yawgmoth's Will (optionally Ill-Gotten Gains)
4 Yawgmoth's Bargain
4 Seething Song
4 Infernal Tutor

Sideboard:
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Contract from Beyond

Any suggestions?

You know that may very well be the coolest thing I've ever seen. -Goes about building said deck-
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2006, 02:59:37 pm »

You guys have it all wrong. The coolest deck to always win on turn 1 is Academy.

4 Tolarian Academy
4 City of Brass
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Crop Rotation

4 Lotus Petal
4 Mox Diamond
4 Sol Ring
4 Mana Vault
4 Voltaic Key

4 Orim's Chant
4 Windfall
4 Time Spiral
4 Memory Jar
2 Mind Over Matter
2 Stroke of Genius
4 Wheel of Fortune

And that's ignoring such not-quite-budget cards as Candelabra of Tawnos and Mana Crypt.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2006, 04:32:01 pm »

By the way, for those looking at my build, unfortunately ante cards are in the now-deprecated for tournament play Ante Zone, and are therefore considered in game.  In other words, no you can't wish for Contract from Beyond ante cards.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2006, 11:23:13 am »

A minor detail, but it's Contract from Below.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 03:40:25 pm »

30 Black Lotus
29 Time Twister
1 Urza's Rage
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 06:02:21 pm »

I've omitted the obvious route of multiple power cards or breaking the 4 of rule, and tried to come up with a deck that would consistently win on turn 1 just without a Banned/Restricted list (I also avoided power for cost considerations).  If you're going all out, and answer is clearly 100 Black Lotus 100 Wheel of Fortune
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 10:19:28 pm »

style is all in the 50 black lotus 50 sharazad.dec but your tendrils list is pretty bitchin
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 10:44:03 pm »

/quote/Does anyone remember the old Microprose MTG computer game?/quote/
Its called Shandalar, and its good times, a 90's classic indeed. Razz
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2006, 05:14:02 pm »

I've omitted the obvious route of multiple power cards or breaking the 4 of rule, and tried to come up with a deck that would consistently win on turn 1 just without a Banned/Restricted list (I also avoided power for cost considerations).  If you're going all out, and answer is clearly 100 Black Lotus 100 Wheel of Fortune

This deck gets beat hardcore by 200 Black Lotus 200 Wheel of Fortune.dec
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2006, 05:21:32 pm »

I've omitted the obvious route of multiple power cards or breaking the 4 of rule, and tried to come up with a deck that would consistently win on turn 1 just without a Banned/Restricted list (I also avoided power for cost considerations).  If you're going all out, and answer is clearly 100 Black Lotus 100 Wheel of Fortune

This deck gets beat hardcore by 200 Black Lotus 200 Wheel of Fortune.dec
200 Black Lotus 200 Wheel of Fortune gets beat by RentDue.dec
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2006, 06:32:55 pm »

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LOL.  I like two things about the 30 Lotus/20 Ball Lightning/10 Timetwister deck is that you get to actually attack for the win!!!  Come on, are you going to have more than 120 life on the first turn?  Unlikely.
Secondly, I called the deck Black Balls.  Which reminds me of Chef... Wink
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2006, 07:36:34 am »

This deck gets beat hardcore by 200 Black Lotus 200 Wheel of Fortune.dec

This deck gets beat hardcore by 401 Thrull Champion.dec
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2006, 10:09:13 am »

This deck gets beat hardcore by 200 Black Lotus 200 Wheel of Fortune.dec

This deck gets beat hardcore by 401 Thrull Champion.dec

Not if you take two or more mulligans!
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2006, 05:35:07 pm »

If you 100% don't care about format legality, Tendrils seems like a better approach.  Assuming no power you basically want to go off Long style, with something like the following setup:

12 Lands
4 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Demonic Tutor
3 Contract from Below
3 Wheel of Fortune
3 Tendrils of Agony
4 Burning Wish
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
3 Yawgmoth's Will (optionally Ill-Gotten Gains)
4 Yawgmoth's Bargain
4 Seething Song
4 Infernal Tutor

Sideboard:
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Contract from Beyond

Any suggestions?

You need an answer to the 4x Trinisphere that some brave soul will be playing.  Seriously, 4x Trinisphere owns this format together with Orim's Chant and Chains of Mephistopheles.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2006, 05:49:14 pm »

Chains is too expensive for this format, I would imagine. And Trini's good buddy Mishra's Workshop would be too, unless it was being powered out by Rituals instead... man that'd be a terrible deck.

Orim's Chant though... I'd buy that. Scepter-Chant with 4 Chants and 4 Abeyances... and Squire as the kill card... I'd lol.
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2006, 04:05:52 am »

You need an answer to the 4x Trinisphere that some brave soul will be playing.  Seriously, 4x Trinisphere owns this format together with Orim's Chant and Chains of Mephistopheles.
1) Win the die roll.
2) Run 2 Shattering Spree in the board and board one in game 2.  Also, if you want, you can go to the sideboard for 4 Unmask and bring them in for something like a Seething Song, a Bargain, an Infernal Tutor and a Lion's Eye Diamond.
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2006, 03:57:57 pm »

Regarding the Black Lotus, Timetwister, Ball Lightning deck, why not simply replace Ball Lightnings with Lightning Bolts for infinite damage on turn 1 without the need for an attack phase?
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2006, 04:47:24 pm »

You need an answer to the 4x Trinisphere that some brave soul will be playing.  Seriously, 4x Trinisphere owns this format together with Orim's Chant and Chains of Mephistopheles.
1) Win the die roll.
2) Run 2 Shattering Spree in the board and board one in game 2.  Also, if you want, you can go to the sideboard for 4 Unmask and bring them in for something like a Seething Song, a Bargain, an Infernal Tutor and a Lion's Eye Diamond.

Given that this is fundamentally a die-roll format, the only cards that even theoretically affect your opponent if they win the roll are Force of Will, Misdirection, and Leyline of the Void.  Every deck should be playing some of them simply to up its odds above 50% against a "die-roll" deck. 
Unmask is meaningless.  Any deck in this format should be able to play through Force of Will effortlessly.  Unmask is not an instant, and two cards to remove a single FoW instead of just Duress is overkill.

Trinisphere is a 3-mana kill, the same as any other.  By the time you get to three mana, with only 12 lands, the Trini player should handily have won.  It's no different than you resolving a turn 1 Bargain.  Similarly, Chains prevents an opponent from drawing the cards they need to combo out.  Turn 1 is not "too slow."  It's just right.

IF the format includes power, Trini is still god since you'll be running 4 of each Mox.  You can stick your opponent with 20 dead cards by playing Trini.  It's no different than playing out your moxen before dropping Chalice0 in normal Vintage.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2006, 04:54:39 pm »

In case there is any confusion, when I say Chains is too expensive, I mean money-wise. I fully respect the power of Chains to rape this format, and my wallet.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2006, 09:22:49 pm »

I think this is a pretty obscene deck

    4 Yawgmoth's Bargain
    4 Dark Ritual
    4 Mana Vault
    4 Tendrils of Agony
    4 Chrome Mox
    4 Grim Tutor
    4 Cabal Ritual
    4 Lotus Petal
    4 Mana Crypt
    4 Mox Jet
    4 Yawgmoth's Will
    4 Black Lotus
    4 Demonic Consultation
    4 Demonic Tutor
    4 Duress

or if you prefer no limitation to how many of a single card to play:

30 Black Lotus
20 Time Twister
19 Force of Will
1 Tendrils of Agony ( much better than Urzas Rage)
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2007, 09:04:53 pm »

30x Surging Flame
30x Simian Spirit Guide


A little bit cheaper than most of the other decks on this list.  It can also go off in response to your oponent if you lose the die role.
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2007, 05:00:53 pm »

Since it's rather trivial to win on turn 0 without a card limit, the real challenge is building a deck while maintaining a maximum of 4 of each card.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2007, 08:43:05 pm »

Pretty much every list should start with:

4 Ancestral
4 Mox Sapphire
4 Lotus

From there, I think you're basically looking at storm combo...with some amount of defense, or at least the ability to go off twice.

So something like:

4 Ancestral
4 Brainstorm (Seeing 3 cards is still amazing)
4 Demonic Tutor (Basically a Cabal Ritual with storm = 2 when not grabbing Ancestral)
4 Tendrils
4 Timetwister
4 Mind's Desire
1 Grapeshot (We can all think of situations where this is relevant)
4 Tinker
2 Memory Jar
2 Yawgmoth's Bargain
2 Yawgmoth's Will

3 Tolarian Academy (3 is too many dead cards after you play the first one)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Mox Sapphire
4 Mox Jet
4 Black Lotus
4 Chromatic Star
2 Mana Vault

SB:
4 FoW
4 Misdirection
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Disrupting Shoal

The goals were to minimize necessity of going "all in" while still having very "bomby" hands and winning turn 1.  The deck definitely dies to Chalice(0) and Null Rod...but that requires losing the die roll...

The sideboard was constructed on the assumption that you *will* lose turn 1 any game you don't play first, therefore *anything* you can do to prevent that must be done.
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 05:14:17 pm »

I want to echo the sentiment of 200 Black Lotus + 200 Wheel of Fortune as being the absolute best deck imaginable if this is your goal.  You will irritate your opponent to no end, and win in fashion I might add!
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