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Author Topic: response to kiki's ability: do I still get a copy?  (Read 2334 times)
verduran
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« on: March 17, 2007, 11:46:25 am »

So I tried to a creature with my Kiki-Jiki Mirror Breaker, and my opponent responded with Echoing Truth on that creature.

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 2RRR
Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman       

Haste. Tap: Put a token into play that's a copy of target nonlegendary creature you control.  That creature token has haste.  Sacrifice it at end of turn.

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Q: do I still get a copy?
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2007, 12:33:11 pm »

You don't get a copy. Kiki-jiki's ability is countered because its target is no longer legal when it resolves.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2007, 04:59:10 pm »

Note that if the opponent were to bounce Kiki-Jiki, you *would* still get the copy.

Removing all targets of a spell/ability counters counters the spell/ability upon resolution (which was formally referred to as "fizzling")

Removing the source of a spell/ability does not counter the spell/ability

Remember - it does no good to shoot the guy who just threw a grenade at you - that grenade is still a-commin! 

(edit: s/effect/abilityg; cleaned up "fizzling" comment)
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2007, 07:03:34 pm »

Removing all targets of a spell/effect counters counters the spell/ability (formally referred to as "fizzling")

'Fizzle' is an informal and obsolete term.  The formal term is "countered on resolution."  And it's "spell/ability," not "spell/effect."  effects are created by spells and abilities.  The words "ability" and "effect" are not interchangeable.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2007, 07:22:30 pm »

Removing all targets of a spell/effect counters counters the spell/ability (formally referred to as "fizzling")
If this said (formerlly referred to as "fizzling"), this sentence becomes much more correct.
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