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« on: March 28, 2007, 09:53:14 pm » |
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Ok, I have been working on a UB fish deck that disrupts well enough to win in todays combo heavy enviornment. This is the list that i have been playing with, and any feedback would be appreciated.
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4 Underground Sea 4 Polluted Delta 1 Flooded Strand 2 Island 1 Swamp 1 Lotus 1 Sapphire 1 Jet
4 Wasteland 1 Strip Mine
Disruption: 2 Stifle 1 Trickbind 2 Chalice of the Void 4 Duress 3 Extirpate 1 Phyrexian Furnace 1 Tormod's Crypt 1 Hymn to Tourach 1 Shadow of Doubt
Creatures: 4 Trinket Mage 3 Dark Confidant 2 Dimir Cutpurse
Control: 4 Force of Will 1 Echoing Truth 1 Misdirection
Draw: 4 Brainstorm 1 Demonic Tutor 1 Vampiric Tutor 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Time Walk 1 Timetwister
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 10:43:52 pm » |
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This deck looks a lot like SS but with Trinket Mage. Seems like an okay switch. You're really light on mana sources, 20 if I count correctly (5 are wastes). Twister looks kinda random to me, so I'd cut that for another mana source (prob an off color mox).
Phyrexian Furnace also seems really iffy, since you run tormod's I'd just cut that for another Dark Confidant.
Maybe a EE would be good in here too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2007, 07:39:24 am » |
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I'm not sure that running 2 chalice is correct. I would also agree that your a bit sparse on mana. The simiplest change I would make would be 2 chlaice for 2 moxen.
Also I don't really understand the trinket mages. You don't really have that much to seach for. Tormod's is good. Chalice is only good if its early in the game (and if you've dropped a trinketmage, then its probably not still turn 1). You have Furnace which is an interesting alternative to Tormod's #2. No Needle, No EE, No AEther spellbomb and/or Vial.
Running any of those I think are better 1-of's than chalice because they are still good (if not better) on turn 2-3+
I would probably just flip 1 Mage for 1 confidant.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2007, 02:14:35 pm » |
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If you’re looking for something to deal with combo heave environments, I’d rethink the 2 stifles and got with the trickbindsx3. Against combo, the timetwister will most likely do more harm than good, also it works against extirpate. Come to think of it, so does the crypt. Phyrexian furnace seems a little bit sub optimal to something like withered wretch (it’d keep extirpate useful.). If you’re running 2 chalice, that’s very light considering your probably using them as mox hate. I think even with the trinket mage, it might be to late considering the few mana sources. . Null rod would work better late game. It also takes care of the triskelion pinging, mindslaver, and salvager combo in addition to the moxen. Not sure what your adv. converted mana cost is but I see a lot of 3's and 5's. Confidant might get you into trouble; I think cutting the hymn and misdirection for cabal therapy might help you out with that on both ends. The mana thing is going to be messy. I think I’d cut a couple mages (part of me just thinks there not enough for them to retrieve) for another confidant (I know I said it might get you into trouble) and a lotus petal. Try to fit another basic in somewhere, maybe cut a stifle, or where that timetwister once was. It is a lot like an SS, which isn’t bad like someone else said. I’d check them out for ideas. It seems like your build will work just fine as is a lot of the time. Looks fun to play and if you get the cut purse down its pretty much over. Little things for increased consistency are never a bad idea.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2007, 03:41:00 pm » |
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Here is a list I put together not too long ago. It was a Sullivan Solution shell, with Trinket Mages, toolbelt, et cetera. It had a great Combo, Gifts, and other Drain matchups, but the aggro matchup was of course less-than stellar. Cutting the additional Cuturses, and Erayo for Trinket Mage and toolbelt may not be the best choice for the deck. But this is just what I think is a fair way to go right now, even though it is no where near SS anymore. On SCG forums, I@n mentioned that he was going to right a primer on the Sullivan Solution, so try and check that out for some guidance on U/B disruption decks.
Creature Base: 4 Dark Confidant 4 Trinket Mage 2 Dimir Cutpurse
Disruption/ Utility: 4 Stifle 4 Duress 1 Vamp 1 AR 1 Walk 3 Brainstorm 1 Dblast 4 Force of Will 1 E-Truth
Toolbelt: 1 EE 1 Aether Spellbomb 1 Pithing Needle 1 Tormod's Crypt 4 Chalice of the Void 1 Black Lotus
Mana: 4 Moxen 1 Lotus Petal 4 Flooded Strand 1 Polluted Delta 4 Underground Sea 1 Watery Grave 3 Wasteland 1 Strip Mine 2 Basic Island
That was all off the top of my head, so it may not be 100% correct. If there is any sort of question that anyone would like me to clarify, I would have no problem doing so.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2007, 10:03:48 am » |
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Seems like it could work, certainly there are changes I'd make like taking out extirpate for more crits, but have you tried the deck? Have you playtested or done any tourneys with it?
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I don't remember anyone ever scooping to a Null Rod... The same cannot be said of Yawgmoth's Will.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2007, 06:32:06 pm » |
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In playtesting I have taken out Twister and Furnace. It has had mixed results against combo but does better post-board because of Arcane Lab.
4 Brainstorm 1 AR 1Vamp 1 Demonic 1 Time Walk
4 Delta 1 Strand 4 Underground Sea 2 Island 1 Swamp 1 Sapphire 1 Lotus 1 Jet 4 Wasteland 1 Strip Mine
4 Trinket Mages 4 Bobby 3 Cutpurse
2 Chalice 1 Pithing Needle 2 Stifle 1 Trickbind 4 FOW 1 MisD 4 Durress 2 Extirpate 1 Hymn 1 Aether Spellbomb
Average cc: 1.33
I'm thinking about cutting something for an obvious EE but i'm not sure what yet. Haven't had many mana problems in playtesting. My sidboard is still a work in progress but I am fairly certain about another Crypt, an Arcane Lab, a Darkblast and a pithing needle. I will be taking this to the tournament in IL on 4/29.
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