Neo-Cube

[Upinthe]

Neo-Cube 1
Artifact

The type "artifact" is now also considered a color.

It is everything and nothing


Now you can play Wash Out and name artifact I think this would be kind of nifty.

[Anusien]

It doesn't work.  That's like saying, "Enchantment is now considered a color."

[Upinthe]

It doesn't work.  That's like saying, "Enchantment is now considered a color."

Why doesn't it work? Colors don't have any rules baggage.

[Anusien]

(10:36:24 PM) Datatog: (notice) Color: The only colors in the Magic game are white, blue, black, red, and green. An object can be one or more of those colors or it can be colorless. "Colorless" isn't a color; neither are "artifact," "land," "brown," "gold," and so on. See rule 203.2.    An object's color is determined by the color(s) of the mana symbols in its mana cost. A hybrid mana symbol is each of its component colors. ...
(10:36:24 PM) Datatog: (notice) ... Effects may change an object's color. If an effect gives an object a new color, the new color replaces all previous colors the object had.
(10:36:31 PM) Anusie1: rule 203.2
(10:36:32 PM) Datatog: (notice) 203.2. An object is the color or colors of the mana symbols in its mana cost, regardless of the color of its frame.

I really really don't like this.  You're trying to conflate two things that are completely different; it just causes type errors.  Does this mean that Quickchange can make something an artifact?

Here's one particularly nasty case.  Cast this thing; artifact is now a color.
Now cast Arcbound Ravager.
Now cast Mind Bend targeting Arcbound Ravager, changing "artifact" to "blue".
What does it mean to "Sacrifice an blue"?  More importantly, Ravager's type line is now "Blue Creature".

Blind Seer can now turn Sorceries into artifacts.  How does this work?

How about another example.  You have this in play.  Now tap City of Brass and produce one mana of the color "Artifact" to your mana pool.  What happens now?

Vesuvan Doppelganger will not become an artifact when it copies artifact creatures?

Is Sarcomite Myr now a multicolor creature?  For that matter, is everything with generic mana in the casting cost a multicolored spell?


I hope these scenarios explain why equating types with colors is just poor.  I'd be more comfortable with "Colorless is a color." than "Artifact is a color", and even that is risky.

[Nydaeli]

Proposed revision:

Neo-Cube
Artifact
As Neo-Cube comes into play, choose a color.  All artifacts are the chosen color.

It's a lot cleaner but also less interesting.

[zimagic]

Proposed revision:

Neo-Cube
Artifact
As Neo-Cube comes into play, choose a color.  All artifacts are the chosen color.

It's a lot cleaner but also less interesting.

I was thinking about this too but it doesn't allow him to do what I think he wants which is to have a sixth colour for 'colour count' cards i.e. collective restraint.

[parallax]

I was thinking about this too but it doesn't allow him to do what I think he wants which is to have a sixth colour for 'colour count' cards i.e. collective restraint.

Neo-Cube

Artifact
Neo-Cube is purple.

Edit: Alternately, "Artifacts are purple." or "Artifacts and artifact cards not in play are purple.".

[andrewpate]

This would need its own entry in the Comprehensive Rules, one which specifically states that purple is not a color except for the purposes of this card.  Otherwise, you would be able to turn Wild Mongrel purple from now on, simply because this card exists.  I don't think that's the intent.

Can anyone come up with an elegant way of making a card allow color tallies to equal 6 without creating a sixth color?  The ability would need to be something like, "~This~ is a color other than green, white, blue, black, or red."  This is the only way I can imagine this card doing what it's supposed to do.

[Anusien]

One of the few things set in stone about Magic are the 5 colors with well-defined histories and antagonisms, and the 5 basic land types accordingly.  Is there any good reason to break this?

[parallax]

One of the few things set in stone about Magic are the 5 colors with well-defined histories and antagonisms, and the 5 basic land types accordingly.  Is there any good reason to break this?

"Because it would be awesome" isn't a good enough reason? I just want an excuse to imagine an artifact card with a purple border.

I think the card would be justified if it was in a "color matters" set. It's a great way to do a sixth color without all the difficulties normally associated with making a sixth color. It only has to appear on one card, it doesn't need to fit into the color wheel, it doesn't need a section of the color pie, and it doesn't need a basic land; it's just there.

[ChemEng]

Another NeoCube Idea
Artifact 1
Whenever the number of colors are counted for a spell or ability, add 1 to that value.

It still feels rough though.

[Anusien]

One of the few things set in stone about Magic are the 5 colors with well-defined histories and antagonisms, and the 5 basic land types accordingly.  Is there any good reason to break this?

"Because it would be awesome" isn't a good enough reason?

Doing something just because it hasn't been done isn't convincing to me.  If it hasn't been done and it's especially compelling in some way is one thing, but I don't know.  This feels like making a spell:
"U Instant: Counter target mana ability."
It's a one off wacky spell trying to push new design space, but it's only peeing on that territory.  Mirror Gallery broke the rules in a simple and elegant way that explored design space.  I'd rather have a set based around artifacts with a color than just one thing (although I doubt they'd ever make a colored artifact set because it would be too polarizing.

I'd be more comfortable with "Colorless is a color." than "Artifact is a color"

This approach feels much cleaner.

[Fistandantilus]

Neo-Cube 1
Artifact

The type "artifact" is now also considered a color.

It is everything and nothing


Now you can play Wash Out and name artifact I think this would be kind of nifty.

How about this instead:

"Artifacts are all colors."

It still works with Wash Out (though you'd name a color rather than "artifact"), and it has some precedence in the form of Transguild Courier.

Also, I think that the name should have "prism" instead of "cube" in it, since it deals with colors, and "cube" doesn't have much of anything to do with colors.