Pact of Negation

[vartemis]

I think I may have been playing this wrong.  In Dan's report he says:

T4: Matt with Flash
Game 2: I mulligan into a solid opening of Orchard, Recall, Lotus, go, but he clearly is content to sit back and assemble a million pieces of disruption. He finally goes for it against my full grip and ends up Pacting twice (both REBed) but I have the extra Force. He passes the turn and I pass back expecting him to lose to Pact triggers. He instead untaps and casts a second Flash during his upkeep. Luckily for me the card I drew during my turn was Krosan Reclamation. I let him start to combo out again and fizzle Reveillark's trigger with my Reclamation and he dies to the Pacts.

If he REDed and Forced the Pacts, why are there pact triggers?  I thought the cost didnt have to be paid unless the spell resolved.

j

[Apollyon]

There shouldn't be. You are correct, Pacts set up a delayed trigger upon resolution, not upon playing it.

[Phoenix888]

I think I may have been playing this wrong.

I think he may have as well.  When he tried to counter your Flash, you respond with a Pact.  I think the correct play at that point would be to let the Pact resolve, then aim the next counter at Flash instead of targeting the Pact.  If it would have unfolded in that manner then you would have lost to Pact triggers.  With how the report is written, you and Apollyon are correct, you shouldn't have lost to Pact triggering.

[vartemis]

I think I may have been playing this wrong.

I think he may have as well.  When he tried to counter your Flash, you respond with a Pact.  I think the correct play at that point would be to let the Pact resolve, then aim the next counter at Flash instead of targeting the Pact.  If it would have unfolded in that manner then you would have lost to Pact triggers.  With how the report is written, you and Apollyon are correct, you shouldn't have lost to Pact triggering.

Right, that's what Dan said.  I just read what he put (pacted twice (both REBed)), and took it at face value.  The obvious play was to REB the flash.

j