[Deck] ICBM Oath for Vintage 2.0

[Suicideking]

I still love this deck, but it is a  deck where muliganing aggressively doesnt hurt as much and is necessary.  Ive been running one progenitus and one archangel for no real reason then I dont find one to be a lot stronger then the other and archangels ability is relevant in the aggro match. 

The mirrors are always super tight.  Its really the match up where I feel I always have the edge and even then I'm not super confident about it.  Loam/waste in the board is great if you expect it as well as a dark blast, which can hit a few other problematic creatures. 

I think if you add another land I would probably add one more waste or a mishra's factory, but that is still dependent on what the main looks like. 

Also , I would like to note that the deck is not as easy to play as everyone thinks it is.  Sure their are easy mox, orchard, oath hands that cant lose but when the game begins to grind you really need to know what your plan of attack is because you cant just draw out of a deadlock like tezz or painter can.

Anyways good luck slinging oath in the future.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you played against Quasali Pridemage yet?  The UWG Fish match seems really bad with both MMage and Pridemage.  Lends me to think that including Tinker/Leviathan might be necassary

[Suicideking]

or you could just sideboard massacre like we did back when UW fish was good.

[Guli]

or you could just sideboard massacre like we did back when UW fish was good.

And gaddock teeg?

Oath will have a hard time against green based fish. They pack answers against Tinker as well.

[Suicideking]

It still is like workshops.  Yeah you lose if they get 3 lock pieces down but otherwise youre fine.

[Tin_Mox5831]

The new breed of Fish decks look very powerful without a doubt, but given the fact that Tezzeret is so dominant and Ichorid is so fundamentally unfair, you really need to beat those decks in order to win tournaments. Given the amount of sideboard space that those matchups demand, Oath players might be forced to just risk playing the Fish match with just a few blanket answers. Of all the cards that fit that role, Massacre is definitely the one I feel most comfortable with.

During the GP: Columbus season, I had a lot of success against Fish in Legacy with a mix of Massacre, Darkblast and my personal favorite, Cabal Pit. Crucible Of Worlds + Cabal Pit was amazing at the time. Maybe Loam and Pit could be a part of the same kind of sick Fish sideboard plan.

I do feel like the deck needs another land in the maindeck, as I mentioned earlier. While the Cabal Pit is probably relegated to the sideboard, I could definitely see the deck adding a Mishra's Factory/Mutavault or the final Wasteland as James suggested.

[FlyFlySideOfFry]

What about splashing white and running Sterling Grove in the maindeck? Against decks with maindeck enchantment hate it automatically has to be destroyed (because if 2 hit the table nothing can ever be targeted) and against decks without enchantment hate main it fetches Oath for 1GW. (like Grim Tutor except you can spread it over 2 turns if you want+you don't lose life) You can even run Enlightened Tutor/Balance.

[Suicideking]

What about splashing white and running Sterling Grove in the maindeck? Against decks with maindeck enchantment hate it automatically has to be destroyed (because if 2 hit the table nothing can ever be targeted) and against decks without enchantment hate main it fetches Oath for 1GW. (like Grim Tutor except you can spread it over 2 turns if you want+you don't lose life) You can even run Enlightened Tutor/Balance.

Running another color is an option, but you would have to cut some strips for more non basics so I've given up on that idea.  Firespout is the only off color card I really run because of magus of the moon.

[Stormanimagus]

Hey guys. So I'm pumped for the possibility that they'll unrestrict Gush, and I think one deck that could really abuse it is in an Oath Shell. I'm more thinking of a Turbo-Land deck that would abuse one card I'm very excited for from Alara Reborn:

Wargate

Card type: Sorcery

Casting cost: X

Card text:
Search your library for a permanent card with converted mana cost X or less, put it into play, then shuffle your library.


This card gets Forbidden Orchard for GWU and it gets Fastbond for GWU1 while also finding Oath itself for GWU2.

I think the card may be a red herring, but at least deserves some testing as it is a new route to victory for Turbo-Gush. Aight, time for a list. Bear in mind that this list will have 4x Gush under the assumption that it WILL be unrestricted *cough cough*:

Turbo Oath

Land (16):
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Island
1 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Nomad Stadium
1 Strip Mine

Artifacts (9):
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Lotus Petal
1 Sol Ring
2 Crucible Of Worlds

Creatures (1):
1 Progenitus

Sorceries (12):
4 Wargate
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
2 Thoughtseize

Instants (18):
4 Force Of Will
4 Gush
3 Mana Drain
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Fact Or Fiction
1 Crop Rotation
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor

Enchantments (4):
1 Fastbond
3 Oath Of Druids

SB
1 Oath Of Druids
1 Blazing Archon
3 Extirpate
3 Relic Of Progenitus
1 Tinker
1 Sundering Titan
2 Thoughtseize
3 Pithing Needle

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

I really don't think Wargate makes the cut for a competative oath list. It costs a ton unless your getting orchard. If I wanted another tutor I'd look to imperial seal, a card that was great with gush oath, first.

[Stormanimagus]

I really don't think Wargate makes the cut for a competative oath list. It costs a ton unless your getting orchard. If I wanted another tutor I'd look to imperial seal, a card that was great with gush oath, first.

Agreed, but:

a) Seal is Restricted
b) It doesn't put the card in to your hand or in to play like Wargate does. There's a big difference between topdeck tutors and tutors that put a card in to your hand and there is a big difference between tutors that put cards in to your hand and those that put them in to play. This is an important consideration.

I dunno if Wargate is really Vintage playable, but IF it was I think this would be a good shell for it to shine.

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

I really don't think Wargate makes the cut for a competative oath list. It costs a ton unless your getting orchard. If I wanted another tutor I'd look to imperial seal, a card that was great with gush oath, first.

Agreed, but:

a) Seal is Restricted
b) It doesn't put the card in to your hand or in to play like Wargate does. There's a big difference between topdeck tutors and tutors that put a card in to your hand and there is a big difference between tutors that put cards in to your hand and those that put them in to play. This is an important consideration.

I dunno if Wargate is really Vintage playable, but IF it was I think this would be a good shell for it to shine.

Seal is restricted, but I don't think I'd want more things with casting cost 3+ in my opener as is, its on color and much much cheaper.

It doesn't put the card in your hand, but you don't have to be in some ridiculous winning possition to cast it. Not to mention with a casting cost of 1, it will usualy get you your card faster.

If you feel like testing it, go for it. But you'll probably find that the ridiculously high casting cost of this card combined with sorcery speed makes this card slow and extra slow.

[Stormanimagus]

Hey everyone! So anyway, I see these new unrestrictions as really giving Oath a new direction/shot in the arm. I lot of the time Oath is simply filled with bad dig cards (Impulse for example) to fill in the empty slots instead of more efficient tutors for Oath and Orchard. Well, looks like we finally have what we need in Enlightened Tutor and Crop Rotation. All Right, here's my first stab at revamped Oath.

Enlightened Oath

Land (15):
4 Forbidden Orchard
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Strip Mine

Creatures (2):
1 Progenitus
1 Hellkite Overlord

Artifacts (13):
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
5 Moxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Null Rod

Enchantments (4):
4 Oath Of Druids

Instants (13):
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Crop Rotation
1 Spell Snare
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Mystical Tutor

Sorceries (13):
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
1 Imperial Seal
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Time Walk
1 Gaea’s Blessing

SB
1 Blazing Archon
4 Oxidize
4 Path To Exile
3 Extirpate
3 Pithing Needle

Crop Rotation may not be as good as I think it is here because IF it gets countered you can be seriously Color-screwed. However, I think the potential benefits offset the risks involved as you can now run 8 copies of Forbidden Orchard in your deck and that is clutch against decks like Tezzeret.

[God_Campbell]

I am not sure the omission of Force of Will in the deck you posted is a good thing, though I am no Oath expert.

My other concern, you are running an awful lot of mana excel that is effected by those 4 little ol null rods in the deck,  perhaps something other then engineered explosives and that mana crypt might work better as to cut down on your null rods hurting you?

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

Hey everyone! So anyway, I see these new unrestrictions as really giving Oath a new direction/shot in the arm. I lot of the time Oath is simply filled with bad dig cards (Impulse for example) to fill in the empty slots instead of more efficient tutors for Oath and Orchard. Well, looks like we finally have what we need in Enlightened Tutor and Crop Rotation. All Right, here's my first stab at revamped Oath.

Enlightened Oath

Land (15):
4 Forbidden Orchard
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
2 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Tundra
1 Strip Mine

Creatures (2):
1 Progenitus
1 Hellkite Overlord

Artifacts (13):
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
5 Moxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Engineered Explosives
4 Null Rod

Enchantments (4):
4 Oath Of Druids

Instants (13):
4 Enlightened Tutor
4 Crop Rotation
1 Spell Snare
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Mystical Tutor

Sorceries (13):
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
1 Imperial Seal
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ponder
1 Time Walk
1 Gaea’s Blessing

SB
1 Blazing Archon
4 Oxidize
4 Path To Exile
3 Extirpate
3 Pithing Needle

Crop Rotation may not be as good as I think it is here because IF it gets countered you can be seriously Color-screwed. However, I think the potential benefits offset the risks involved as you can now run 8 copies of Forbidden Orchard in your deck and that is clutch against decks like Tezzeret.

i'm assuming you havn't tested this because:
1.For starters you need draw cards, or have some sort of shinanigans, like impulse scroll rack. with all these top deck tutors, your going to need somehting
2. with all the token generation you do not want to be running mana crypt.
3. you're not running enough disruption.
4. your oath targets are like " this cards good... and this cards good, right" and don't synergize with echother at all.
5. you're running EE and mana crypt with 4x null rod
6. Oath never played the 1 e tutor it could have anyways, and when people wanted an extra oath tutor, they considered seal first, because its on color.
7. what does mystical do for you?