[Deck] "Broken Mirror" Doomsday

[Harlequin]

Broken Mirror - 7 years of bad luck
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5 Fetch
2 Underground
2 Tropical
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Tolarian
5 Mox
3 Lotus, Petal, Crypt
4 Dark Rit
3 Cabal Rit

4 Doomsday
1 Channel
1 Lich's Mirror

6 Duress/sieze
2 Rebuild, Hurkyls
1 Pact of Negation

2 Cunning Wish
1 Ad Nauseam

1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils
1 Mind's Desire
1 Recall
1 Timewalk
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 DT
1 Regrowth
1 Necro
1 Bargin
1 Vamp
1 Mystical
1 Tinker
1 Jar

Cunning Wish Board:
Research/D
Stroke
Gifts/Meditate/ad nauseam (some recovery spell)
Etruth
Hurkyls
Wipeaway
Extirpate
Pact of Negation
Possibly Beacon of Destruction ... but I haven't needed it yet.
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Lich's Mirror
Artifact (Mythic - Alar)
If you would lose the game, instead shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own into your library, then draw seven cards and your life total becomes 20.

What Lich's Mirror Offers:
Lich offeres hand's down the strongest/simplest pile I've seen yet when it comes to Doomsday. The standard pile is:

Recall
Lotus
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Cunning Wish

This pile wins for alone after you draw recall, no storm required. Also it beats essentially ANY amount of graveyard hate, and can power through sphere effects fairly easiliy (assuming you enough mana in play to cast channel).  Also, recall and Lotus are interchangable with duress and/or pact if you have draw effects or two green mana. 

The basic win:
Draw recall, cast it drawing Lotus, Channel Mirror
Cast Lotus, sac green cast Channel
use life for colorless to cast Mirror
channel yourself to death
scoop up your board, GY, and remaining deck, shuffle it up and draw 7

- Now, it is technically possible to fizzle at this point, but In many many goldfishes, I've only truely fizzled a few times (sometimes I had to back up and do something in differant order).  If your going to fizzle its probably going to be in the very first Mirror.

* Whenever you draw Mirror, cast it off channel mana. 
* If you then have recall in hand, you can cast recall and with it on the stack channel yourself to death.  That way you draw 10 instead of 7.
* Lotus will get you your colored mana.  So try and get a healthy mix of Blue and Black.

* Remember you can cast Doomsday again if you need to, you'll need BBB off lotus.  Remember not to Doomsday yourself too low on cards.  On the 2nd doomsday you won't need channel, so this is a good way to remove unwanted lands and channel from your mirror rotation.  Also remember to have some draw effect or mirror ready to go so you can restart the mirror rotation.
* after the first few rotations fizzling is nearly impossible.  After you doomsday #, you only have yourself to blame if you fizzle.

- The safest way to win is to cunning wish for Research first.  Now research into your deck Stroke, Pact, DT, and like Duress or Etruth.  With research in your rotation it won't remove itself like wish does so you can really go infinite with anything. 
- By adding DT and Stroke, you can stack these effects as well into your mirror rotations.  Making even more impossible to fizzle.  That's why stroke makes a nice win condition.
- Every time you rotate, you're earning something to the tune of 10-15 colorless mana.  So your win condition of choice is Stroke of Genius targeting your opponent for hundreds of cards.  If they have a draw-replacemnt then tendrils will make short work of them given that you have an arbitrary amount of storm.
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Using this concept to beat Leyline:

Same stack, starts the same. 
Doomsday, Recall, Lotus, and Channel all get removed from the game.  So you will need a few more cards in hand or permenants before you start this.  You still have 1 card in your deck (cunning wish), and at least mirror in play.  This means you need 5 other cards between your lands, mox, and cards in your hand. 
Mirror yourself Until you find Cunning Wish.  Cast wish for Research.
Research for Etruth, Cunning Wish, Stroke, and Lotus
Lich yourself and eventually you'll find Etruth for the bounce spell.  Now you can spend your 2nd Cunning Wish to get Research back if needed.

Beating non-replacement removal is even easier.  They basically have to use whatever effect they want to use (like tormod's, Farie Macabre, or even extirpate) in response to you casting Mirror.  If mirror is in play, you can always salvage your graveyard at "faster than instant" speed.  Channel is a mana ability and mirror is a replacement effect - therefore you can break the mirror essentially as a mana ability.  Meaning it's done without passing priority, without using the stack, and can be done "in response" to splitsecond.  If they are smart about activating it when you don't have mirror in play.  You play around it just like you play around leyline but it doesn't remove anything after the first mirror cast.
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Deck in Testing:
So far the only real trouble I've had with the decks is running out of life.  You basically need to have 10-12 life when you cast your first doomsday.  Thisway you will have enough life to channel down the mirror. If your life total gets too low, your window for casting doomsday can close.  The nice thing is that the deck can wiggle its way out, because it can still combo out without mirror.  Yawg->Tendrils will still win plenty of games, and "traditional" Doomsday Piles with either Yawg, or with Desire->wish can certainly still win games, but they just require more setup.

[IthilanorStPete]

Better hope you have enough perms so that you don't just lose to drawing 7...

[Harlequin]

You actually only need 1 extra card iether in play or in your hand.  You Dday for 5, Dday itself goes into the yard for 6, that means if you have 1 land in play or even one card in hand thats 7 cards.  It has actually NEVER happened that I decked myself with Mirror.  The real danger is that if you too many cards in play and hand, you run the risk of fizzling because drawing 7 out of 9 cards if the bottom 2 cards are recall and mirror you are kinda screwed.

If you resolve Dday with 0 cards in hand and 0 permenants in play maybe you should just get The Cheese Stands Alone

[TopSecret]

Yay! I'm glad you decided to give the Doomsday + Mirror deck idea a go.

Has the extra speed of the combo been worth maindecking Mirror and Channel?
How has Ad Nauseum been?
Why is the Cunning Wish kill better than the Tendrils kill?
I'm assuming that you could substitute Tendrils in the basic stack instead of Wish
and then cast it during fatal storm. Is it because of Stifle?

Just in case you weren't aware, Barren Glory has been printed.
It is the same as The Cheese Stands Alone.
Unfortunately, it requires passing the turn, so it's usually not justifiable in Doomsday.

[Relwarbeht]

This is a really cool and innovative take on doomsday.  I wonder if Including 'regular' doomsday kills or things like gush (only one you don't run atm) that let you go off that turn would be helpful?  As far as Cunning Wish vs Doomsday, i think Wish is more resilient to hate but the OP can speak on that better than I. 

[misslehead3]

There is a legacy deck my good friend uses with sensei's diving tops. Could those be useful here as maybe an alternate win condition with something like brain freeze or even ToA or is that too elaborate for this deck and it should just be more focused. Heres the theory anyways, if for some reason you cant get lich's mirror online you can still do something like doomsday, ancestral channel top top ToA. which could be another win condition if something goes wrong or if you dont need 100 mana and could just win if you had a few free storm

[wox2]

Interesting idea.
If I understand your plan you play first turn one black resource-Dark Ritual Doomsday. 4 cards in hand, 5 in library, 1 in grave and 1 in play(if your resource was not Petal or Lotus).  Second Turn you use your pernament resource to cast recall and do your combo. You have 11 cards in your library after Mirror. You need Mirror or Recall + Lotus or recall + land to be able to combo out now... This looks really weird to me. Cards you draw except all you used are cards that you have seen in your opening. I understand you want not so much cards when combo out and you are not focussed to kill in second turn and that there are more traditional doomsday options. But there is a question. Is your setup better than traditional setups?

[T00L]

I must say this is one of your cooler decks and you come up with alot of cool decks

[zimagic]

Just a small (but important) rules clarification:

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Lich's Mirror
Artifact (Mythic - Alar)
If you would lose the game, instead shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own into your library, then draw seven cards and your life total becomes 20.

When you Doomsday, surely you cannot subsequently mirror as your library will contain:

Recall
Lotus
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Cunning Wish

You would then die to decking as a result of the text on Mirror. 

Correct or Whooooooosh?

[Skadrian]

you have to shuffle your hand and permanents into your library, so you will get to more than 7 cards that way

[zimagic]

you have to shuffle your hand and permanents into your library, so you will get to more than 7 cards that way

True. Ignore me. Carry on.

[skrwbal]

you should find a way to fit force in there and more draw like ponder/brainstorm. I love draw 7 combos decks so maybe a way to fit in some more draw 7's but it looks pretty solid. luv it

[Prometheon]

Using this concept to beat Leyline:

Same stack, starts the same. 
Doomsday, Recall, Lotus, and Channel all get removed from the game.  So you will need a few more cards in hand or permenants before you start this.  You still have 1 card in your deck (cunning wish), and at least mirror in play.  This means you need 5 other cards between your lands, mox, and cards in your hand. 
Mirror yourself Until you find Cunning Wish.  Cast wish for Research.
Research for Etruth, Cunning Wish, Stroke, and Lotus
Lich yourself and eventually you'll find Etruth for the bounce spell.  Now you can spend your 2nd Cunning Wish to get Research back if needed.

Don't you still need so somehow conjure an extra UU though? You'll have G floating still from your Lotus, but you still need the extra U for both Research and Cunning Wish...

[tomjoad]

Using this concept to beat Leyline:

Same stack, starts the same. 
Doomsday, Recall, Lotus, and Channel all get removed from the game.  So you will need a few more cards in hand or permenants before you start this.  You still have 1 card in your deck (cunning wish), and at least mirror in play.  This means you need 5 other cards between your lands, mox, and cards in your hand. 
Mirror yourself Until you find Cunning Wish.  Cast wish for Research.
Research for Etruth, Cunning Wish, Stroke, and Lotus
Lich yourself and eventually you'll find Etruth for the bounce spell.  Now you can spend your 2nd Cunning Wish to get Research back if needed.

Don't you still need so somehow conjure an extra UU though? You'll have G floating still from your Lotus, but you still need the extra U for both Research and Cunning Wish...

Once you've got the loop going you'll be able to draw and replay Lotus every time, making an arbitrarily large amount of any colored mana.

[Relwarbeht]

I think hes refering specifically to the Leyline case.  And yes you would be unable to go-off unless you could produce UUU without lotus in that case.  The reason is what he stated, you have to pop lotus for green so you can research, and you need extra blue for Recall Wish Research.  Basically the only thing it means is don't try to go off against leyline without adequate mana.

[FadeToBlack]

Thoughts on playing all those off-colored moxen? IIRC, older versions of Doomsday just played 2 off them, as that nature of the deck was very much focused on colored mana (also why they didn't play Crypt/Sol Ring/etc). Additionally, they seem quite terrible here because they become extra permanents that shuffle in and raise the chances of fizzling if i'm not mistaken.

My only other complaint is that you don't pack as much disruption as older builds. While they had Forces/Unmask/Duress effects, you have just Duress/Seize. Additionally, your playing a few cards that I'm using to seeing in combo lists but not Doomsday (Tinker/Jar, Bargain).

Sick concept though, and keep us updated with any new lists you pump out. Certainly something I'm going to have to try out at a tournament sometime soon.

[ifh]

isn't death wish much better than cunning wish because it gets around random jester's caps and earwig squads

[Harlequin]

Ok, A few reponses to things since I've last responded:

- Yes, in order to beat leyline with the same pile, you do need 3 mana before you attept to go off.  Essentially after you cast recall you will need UUGGG and you will have lotus.  The other option to beating Leyline is to go with a more traditional stack utilizing Mind's Desire and some pre-doomsday storm (and forgo Mirror).  But in general coming up with 3 extra mana is usually a little easier than coming up with a good amount of storm and/or draw effects. 
Also remember that if you haven't played a land in the turn you are going to win - you can get away with haveing only UU open when on the turn you plan to win, assuming you have a land. Use U for Recall, Lotus for GGG, and then the extra U for cunnig wish.  Now as you mirror you will eventually redraw the land, and play it as a land for turn to get U, and add it to the G from lotus to cast research. 
The last option is to have mox sapphire in play before you Dday.  This will give you more blue as you repeat the mirror cycle.  In the same theory as the land-drop plan above, but you can play any number of Mox Sapphires in a turn

- Bargin, Tinker, Jar, Tolarian and off color moxen (without LED)... All interesting choices.  Whe I originally started the deck, I had 3 Ad Nasuems, and then cut back to 2 for the majority of my testing.  I eventually cut that back to 1, to make room for 2 cunning wishes and 1 maindeck Pact of Negation (where normally I either had 2:0 or 1:1).  This perhapse should have led to a more indepth review of the manabase.  But I haven't really had the tim.
As a Theory, I like the idea that if you can't find Doomsday, you can still go with a Rit->Bomb->Tendrils off a non-doomsday bomb namely: Will, Bargin, Desire, or Jar.  I think narrowing the deck the "Doomsday or Bust" is probably not a good plan.

- Deathwish is probably a bad fit for the deck.  Inside the Channel-Mirror combo it is functionally identical.  We'll just igonore that it actually costs more colored mana than colorless, which could be relevant considering you have a more finite amount of colored and an ton of colorless. 
Outside of the Doomsday combo, it is much weaker than cunning wish.  It generally will cost you a ritual, as well as a large amount of life (which is in my oppinion the weakness of this deck).  Remember that doomsday itself will half your life again.  This means that if you are using Deathwish to set up for Doomsday, if you start at 20 life, you will be at 5 life after Dday resolves.  Meaning you can only channel for , which means you have to spend your off the lotus to cast mirror.  If you had to fetch to before you cast deathwish, now you will only have to channel... meaning you need an extra mana source to cast mirror.

[FadeToBlack]

- Bargin, Tinker, Jar, Tolarian and off color moxen (without LED)... All interesting choices.  Whe I originally started the deck, I had 3 Ad Nasuems, and then cut back to 2 for the majority of my testing.  I eventually cut that back to 1, to make room for 2 cunning wishes and 1 maindeck Pact of Negation (where normally I either had 2:0 or 1:1).  This perhapse should have led to a more indepth review of the manabase.  But I haven't really had the tim.
As a Theory, I like the idea that if you can't find Doomsday, you can still go with a Rit->Bomb->Tendrils off a non-doomsday bomb namely: Will, Bargin, Desire, or Jar.  I think narrowing the deck the "Doomsday or Bust" is probably not a good plan.

Older versions I used to play packed Necro (which was almost always the best plan regardless) as does yours. The reason I liked Necro because it fits more naturally into the scheme of Land -> Rit...though I could see the other choices as you pack more moxen and the such to get there. Thanks for the insight.

[Harlequin]

5 Fetch
3 Underground
2 Tropical
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Tolarian
5 Mox
3 Lotus, Petal, Crypt
4 Dark Rit
3 Cabal Rit

4 Doomsday
1 Channel
1 Lich's Mirror

6 Duress/sieze
2 Rebuild, Hurkyls
1 Pact of Negation

2 Cunning Wish
1 Ad Nauseam

1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils
1 Mind's Desire
1 Recall
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 DT
1 Regrowth
1 Necro
1 Bargin
1 Vamp
1 Mystical
1 Top
1 Timetwister

Cunning Wish Board:
Research/D - about 75% of my wishes
Stroke - the last 25% of my wishes
ad nauseam (Only Wished for it once, and it got countered)
Etruth - never needed
Hurkyls - never needed
Extirpate - never needed
Pact of Negation - could have used it once because i Had the mana open and could have repsonded to a counterspell but my opponent didn't have one.
Possibly Beacon of Destruction gone

I tested the deck heavily against Slow~ish Control Slaver (running 3x Curior Capsule, Tormods, Mox Monkey, Titan, Triskelavus, 0 duress).  I think the speed of my opponent would be comperable to a Tezz control deck as well.  Testing was favorable.  I went on a great winning streak in the begining (with a few take-backs required) and was about 4-0 before Jer started winning games.  I never* Fizzled after Doomsday resolved.  *Interuption aside, I never Fizzled myself durring a mirror cycle.  I did need 1 or 2 take-backs in the first few games I played out the loop...

I fizzed only once outside of doomsday, when I tryed to win off an Ad Nauseam fuled Will. It was arguably my fault for too agressivly casting Ad Nauseam that did me in, because I ran out of fetchable lands and thus starved myself from blue, and thus couldn't get tendrils in hand to win.

Over all against CA-Heavy Control-Combo, my win % was in the 60's to 70's pre-board.  The danger comes when they board in Spheres and Duresses.  I'm not sure what I board in, probably more Hurkyls/researchs along with Xantids.  I assume the match swings in there favor for g2 and 3, but it should be about 60:40.  So long as I can pull a win 1 of 2 games post board, the match is likely favorable.  Its the combo-Mantra: "Win game 1, lose game 2, and turn 1 win game 3."

Changes to the deck:
- Dropped Tinker, Jar, and timewalk.  In favor of Top, Land, Twister. 
I think overall the original deck was a bit too mana heavy.  So I cut down the Tinker/Jar plan and added Top+Land.  Twister over timewalk was actually an accident (when I built the deck I didn't realize I was missing timewalk, and had inadvertantly added twister). 
+ Tested Fastbond, and found it to be terrible
+ Ad Nauseam is very close to the chopping block.  I only ever resolved it once, and when it didn't resolve I subsiquently lost.  Granted I would have probably won if it resolved... but the mana commitment was too much.
+ Tested Top and LOVED it.  Great tech, it shaved at least a full turn off most of my doomsday wins.  I'm thinking about cutting Ad Nauseam for a 2nd top.
+ Tested Maindeck Pact of Negation.  It tested ok... not ~that~ impressed.  I guess it comes down to the fact that its never really around when I need it.  Perhapse Extirpate maindeck would be a better fit.

An update on the winning Stack and fizzlablity:
- Mind's desire is AMAZING.  Desire is a great quick shortcut to an unfizzable win.  This is because It can selectively remove cards from the game AND leaves them available for you to cast later.  Craziness.
- If I have any of the 4 combo peices in hand or play(Lotus, Channel, Cunning Wish, or Mirror) I doomsday for:
Recall
combo peice
combo peice
combo peice
Mind's Desire

- There are also situations where I might have a ritual in hand, or just tons of moxen and/or lands in play.  If thats the cast I can go for:
Brainstorm/Recall
Desire
*mana (lotus, tolarian, dark rit, maybe jet/sapphire...)
*mana
Cunning Wish

The goal is to have UG floating -after- I resolve Desire (with storm = 3, total desire cards = 4).  When you achieve that:
Flip 1: Cunning wish
Cast it, getting research
Cast research with your UG floating and find Mirror, Channel, DT -- Then flip them with the remaining copies of desire
Desire goes into GY along with research.
Cast Channel, Mirror, pop mirror
Now when you draw 7 you will have DT RFGed and castable for free!!  Great "Oh Sh*t" button.

The last step is to cast Desire after you resolve mirror, and mirror yourself with Desire on the stack.  You draw your 7 cards with mirror and then Desire-RFG the remainder of your deck.  Then Desire goes into your graveyard.  This puts you at 8 total cards... the 7 you drew + desire in the yard.  Worst case you need to pull Mirror down from Desire-RFG land, which brings you to 9 cards.  Along with a hopefully a healthy stock of "oh Sh*t" buttons in reserve Desire-RFG.  If you have DT, Desire, and Mirror they ALL cannot be the bottom 2 cards, thus you can always get mirror reliably every cycle (so long as you never let your mana fo under BUU open).

From here you can get Research and Desire in hand easily and with lotus supplying your colored mana you can cast research for 4 cards then desire.  To move cards from doomsday-RFG land to Desire-RFG land.  Then pop mirror and do it again.  After you do this you are un-fizzleable and you can cast any number of cards in your 75 deck+board and infinite amount of times.  And winning is a technicality at this point.


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Final Thoughts:  The deck was definatly fun and raw-busted.  Many games were won off turn 1 duress, Turn 2-3 Dday ->win.  However I'm warry to run it this weekend.  It just doesn't have enough recovery from a big hit.  I think it would have trouble against anything running both duress and force. 

[scribe888]

Hey just wondering, (I'm no combo player) what are the maindeck Hurkyl's and Rebuild for?

No Imperial Seal? I think it's better than the slot for Ad Nauseum.

What about Street Wraith?

[FadeToBlack]

Hey just wondering, (I'm no combo player) what are the maindeck Hurkyl's and Rebuild for?

So you don't autolose to decks running Sphere/Thorn/Canonist G1.

What about Street Wraith?

Not sure why this isn't there, probably because of space. This guy is great because he lets you win without passing the turn

[scribe888]

So you don't autolose to decks running Sphere/Thorn/Canonist G1.

Ok, so it's purely a metagame call and those cards aren't involved in anything else? Like a back-up plan for storm Tendrils?

So would it be ok to replace them with Street Wraiths? Or Quicken?

[SEEEZZRR]

ok this may just be me being stupid and not remembering,

but what is DT?

[wjcuttler]

ok this may just be me being stupid and not remembering,

but what is DT?

I would think DT refers to Demonic Tutor.

[SEEEZZRR]

ok this may just be me being stupid and not remembering,

but what is DT?

I would think DT refers to Demonic Tutor.

thank you like i said it was just me being stupid .^_^.

[Sharuum]

This is a veeery creative thing right there... i will test it and see what i can find out... with my limited capabilities

[hvndr3d y34r h3x]

I was wondering if you've been liking mana crypt, or feel it necessary to run tropical island main?

[mistervader]

I came up with this decklist upon reading the Shards spoilers independently, but it's still untuned, mainly because there are a few cards I really want to look into including into the deck. I'll get to that bit later.

However, I took the deck a different route, and testing has shown that it's pretty well-protected, and sets itself apart from your deck sort of the way Pitch Long distinguishes itself from Grim Long.

Anyways, here's the decklist. I doubt the deckname I gave it will stick, and let's face it, "Broken Mirror" sounds much cooler, but whatever. I had another name for it, but I don't wanna get banned just for a deckname. I'm just editing the list I got from this page to highlight the differences.

GO AHEAD: LICH MY 'DAY

The Lands
5 Fetchlands
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Swamp
1 Island

The Mana
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Black Lotus
1 Lotus Petal
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual

The Combo
4 Doomsday
1 Channel
1 Lich's Mirror

The Protection
4 Force Of Will
2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Misdirection
1 Pact Of Negation
1 Rebuild
1 Echoing Truth

The Tutors
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Research/Development

The Draw
4 Street Wraith
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm
1 Sensei's Divining Top

The Broken
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Tendrils
1 Mind's Desire
1 Necropotence
1 Timetwister

Since my old pre-Shards decklist already ran Wraiths AND Quickens (It was strictly inferior to pre-BS, Ponder Restriction Doomsday, though.), this list was a logical extension of that old one.

There are a few cards I wish I could include in the deck, though, and a few reasons why...

1. Regrowth + Gifts Ungiven: Simply because this allows you to get any 2 cards you want not named Yawgmoth's Will.
2. Time Vault/Voltaic Key: A two-card combo you can ferret out with ease. But NO, I won't cut 4 Street Wraith for the above four cards.
3. Mox Emerald: It's on-color for Channel and possibly only Regrowth.
4. Chrome Mox: Helps reduce the clutter during your infinite loop.
5. Yawgmoth's Bargain: Stacking all your Draw triggers and then killing yourself to shuffle and redraw your entire deck is mad cool, but it's not practical to have Bargain in my deck at the moment, owing to the lack of Moxen.

Anyways, the current sideboard I use would be this:

All Purpose
4 Tarmogoyf

Anti-Control/Ichorid
3 Extirpate

Anti-Ichorid
2 Relic Of Progenitus

Anti-Stax
2 Hurklyl's Recall
1 Chain Of Vapor

Anti-Fish
2 Massacre

Utility
1 Stroke Of Genius

Any thoughts? I'm thinking of having more Stax hate, but that's neither here nor there, and I just assume I'll simply lose to it or something.

[IthilanorStPete]

Relic of Progenitus is the 1cc artifact.