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« on: October 04, 2008, 10:10:39 pm »

That's right, only 24 people showed up.  One of them was ME.  I stooped to playing in my own event; borrowing an awful Stax deck from Jeremy Seroogy at the last minute.  Alas, it was to no avail, as I went 2-3 and was unable to win back a piece of power and thus break even.  Last tournament I got 48 people.  This time I got HALF that.  For almost the same prize support.  I lost $345 on attendance today.  To everyone who showed up, thank you.  I greatly appreciate it.

To everyone who did NOT show up, you missed a great day of Vintage.  There were tons of new decks out there.  There were multiple Tezzeret decks in the top 8, and there was at least one Ad Nauseum deck as well.  It was an incredible metagame, and competitive as always.

The top 8 was the usual suspects, and Dan defeated Tommy in three to win the mono-blue mirror and score the bye at my spring double P9.

You may have noticed a distinct lack of pictures, metagame breakdown, top 8 lists, and top 8.  If people don't care enough to show up, and don't even mention that they won't be there, including the people who said they'd be there but didn't show, why should I spend hours on typing up lists and taking and posting pictures?  Maybe I'll do it next time.  Maybe not.  I don't really care.  I do know, however, that ICBM Open #8, which I do not have a date for yet, will have a guaranteed prize of a Broodstar.  Prizes will increase with attendance.  That's right.  If you think it's fine to leave me out in the cold, I can do the same thing to you.

Congratulations again to Dan (The Hebrew Hammer) and Tommy, and to everyone who showed up.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 12:29:56 am »

The field was a smallish 24 players, but was pretty strong and included a bunch of former SCG P9 Champions, Vintage Championship Top 8'ers, and at least a dozen SCG P9 Top 8'ers. After 5 rounds of Swiss (seeds 3 and 6, and 4 and 5 may be flipped, but this is from memory, and they all had 10 pts after Swiss rounds):

1. Jeremy Seroogy - ICBM Ad Nauseam Tendrils (11 pts in swiss)
2. Jaco - BHWW Cheatyface McTezzeret (11 pts in swiss)
3. Danny Friedman - 5C Stax (10 pts in swiss)
4. Brian Fischer - GWS Tezzeret (10 pts in swiss)
5. Jake Kempfer - Ethersworn Canonist/Wild Nacatl/Kird Ape/Mogg Fanatic.dec  (10 pts in swiss)
6. Dan Carp - Mono Blue Tezzeret (10 pts in swiss)
7. Brian Ferry - King James Hellkite Oath (10 pts in swiss)
8. Tommy Kolowith - UW Draw Go (10 pts in swiss)

In bracket 1, Tommy beat Seroogy and Fischer beat Jake, then Tommy beat Fischer to advance to the finals.
 
In bracket 2, Jaco beat Brian Ferry and Dan beat Danny, then Dan beat Jaco to advance to the finals.

Dan beat Tommy in the finals.

I ended up in 3rd place after yet another loss in Top 8. My decklist will be up in an article on MTGSalvation this week, in an article about how Shards will shape Vintage.

Props to Ben Carp for once again putting on a great tournament, even though a bunch of bitches who live nearby in Wisconsin didn't even show up. I had a great time once again hanging with Soly, Fischer, and the rest of the Wisconsin cats.

EDIT: Updated players/decks; thanks Mike!
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 01:06:53 am »

Two corrections.  the Unknown Player was Jake Kempfer playing Nacatl Aggro, and It's Brian Ferry, not Perry.


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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 01:41:22 am »

I would have played, but I've never played Vintage at a tournament before, and wasn't able to properly test or anything like that (I was the guy with all black and the snake shirt on, I came up to you and asked if the decklists would be posted and you said "yes").  I was hoping to see the top 8 lists so I could try some new stuff out without feeling lost and confused, and there's no vintage scene here at all so I want to get used to the format so I can get a group started here.  Is there any chance you could PM me the t8 lists?  I did travel a few hours to get to the venue simply to watch people play vintage.  Looked like a cool event from what I saw though.  I hope this bad turn out doesn't spoil the rest of them down the road.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 07:57:49 am »

Jake Kempfer was playing the deck I've been working on- basically the evolution of the RG deck i took SCG with a year ago.  I shipped the list as I was moving and also had a company event on the same day.  I wish I'd been able to attend to wreck with it myself, but that's not always the way things go. The list was this-

4 wild nacatl
4 kird ape
4 mog fanatic
4 goyf
4 TSH
4 STP
3 vexing shusher
4 aether vial
3 skullclamp
2 ronom unicorn
1 kami of ancient law
3 ethersworn canonist
3 wooded foothills
3 windswept heath
3 taiga
3 plateau
2 savannah
1 mountain
1 forest
3 moxen
1 lotus

I don't know if he changed my sideboard, and we had been discussing fitting a basic plains into the deck.  I'm not sure if he decided to do that or not.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 09:53:44 am »

My deck was the hotsauce, but the sideboard sucked.


ya your right with that soly, you beat me twice w/o ever having to do damage

my deck was total horse shit though
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 09:57:36 am »

OMGZ!!! If and ONLY if your puttig up a BROODSTAR!!!!!! (techzors) I will be sure to guarantee my attendance for the next ICBM OPEN!  Especially if your going to be a complete asshole about having poor attendance on the release weekend of a new set.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 11:54:54 am »

He's not being an asshole Andy.  THat is completely uncalled for.  Enjoy the release.  Vintage with new cards > Release of new cards.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 02:12:39 pm »

If people don't care enough to show up, and don't even mention that they won't be there, including the people who said they'd be there but didn't show,

I wasn't able to get a crew from Ohio to go this time and it wasn't within my means to make the journey by myself. Believe me, these events are the best around and I thank you for running them. We try are best to attend them, but sometimes it just can't come together. I will do my best to rally a crew for the next one.

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2008, 02:29:24 pm »

Ben, I don't think most people will begrudge a lower guaranteed prize pool that slides up with attendance.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2008, 07:34:42 pm »

Is there a list for: ICBM Ad Nauseam Tendrils. Just wondering how similar it is to the one Smenenen posted in his latest article.
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2008, 08:55:41 pm »

Is there a list for: ICBM Ad Nauseam Tendrils. Just wondering how similar it is to the one Smenenen posted in his latest article.

Its different.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2008, 09:40:27 pm »

Lists will be up in a few days.  As I said, in the future the prizes will be based on attendance; the only guarantee will be a Broodstar for first.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 10:17:22 pm »

Is there a list for: ICBM Ad Nauseam Tendrils. Just wondering how similar it is to the one Smenenen posted in his latest article.

Just a point of clarification: the ad Naus list in my article was plucked from the ad naus thread here on the Drain, and was not developed or improved upon by me in any way.

The Ad Naus list I've developed will be published next Monday. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 12:47:57 am »

For those who were wondering, Here was what I played at the ICBM open.  My sideboard was slightly different than what I posted, but I think this sideboard is an improvement from the one i used.  Overall the deck, is very fast, and in some ways reminds me of flash.  I run 3 tendrils of agony in the main, because unlike other decks, you actually like seeing a tendrils of agony in your opening hand, and you always want to hit just 1 with ad nauseam.  only having 2 copies of tendrils in this deck seems too little.  From the board i have xantid swarms, and they are pretty amazing.  They were golden for me all day.  they came in more than anything else in my board.  engineered explosives and massacre are solid verses decks with things like meddling mages, or ethersworn canonists.  Overall I was really happy with how the deck played out, and wouldn't change anything in the maindeck if I played it again.   From the board I have platinum angel and tinker, which at the tournament i didn't run, but after discussion with my teammate owen turtenwald, He convinced me it was definitely a gem from the board.  It allows you to draw every card in your deck with ad nauseam, and makes your pact of negations even better.  Shop decks, and fish decks with null rods, meddling mages, and ethersworn canonist give the deck some problems. 

This deck in my opinion is the next level of combo. The only card I kind of wanted to include was mind's desire, because of the brokenness of it, but hitting it on nauseam really sucks.  This combo deck nearly never relies on the graveyard to win.  I think i casted yawgmoths will only 2 or 3 times the whole day.  The yard hate people brought in to fight me was nealry useless for them.

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4 polluted delta
1 bloodstained mire
3 underground sea
1 tropical island
1 bayou
1 swamp
1 tolarian academy
1 mox jet
1 mox emerald
1 mox sapphire
4 chrome mox
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring
1 mana vault
1 lotus petal
1 black lotus
4 dark ritual
3 cabal ritual
4 ad naseam
1 necropotence
1 yawgmoth's will
1 brainstorm
1 chain of vapor
1 hurkyl's recall
4 pact of negation
4 duress
1 ancestral recall
1 merchant scroll
1 repeal
3 tendrils of agony
1 demonic tutor
1 demonic consultation
1 vampiric tutor
1 mystical tutor
1 imperial seal
1 timetwister


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4 xantid swarm
2 tormod's crypt
1 yixlid jailer
3 oxidize
1 island
1 tinker
1 platinum angel
1 engineered explosives
1 massacre
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 12:57:13 am »

Merchant Scroll is complete poop in Ad Naus.  You also want to play 28 or 29 mana sources total, not the 31 you run.  That's what my testing has confirmed, anyway.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 01:01:59 am »

merchant scroll is fine in this deck.  It finds you ancestral recall.  It finds you bounce effects and it finds you protection.  I tried the deck with one less land, and it just wasn't hitting consistantly enough, and since the last few tournements in the area had a high amoun of shop decks and wastelands I wanted the 12th land in the deck. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 04:08:06 am »

Wow, that is almost exactly the same list we are testing at the moment.
4 Duress
4 Pact
4 Ad Nauseam
3 Tendrils
1 Consultation
4 Dark Ritual
3 Cabal Ritual

I guess that's pretty much the heart of the deck. The rest is cheap mana, topdeck tutors and some combination of bombs (will, twister, necro/bargain). We opted for Bargain instead of Necropotence since it wins on the spot like Ad Nauseam does. Necropotence is significantly weaker without Force of Will.
And we play 2 Mox Diamond instead of 4 Chrome Mox. Still undecided on the amount and type of the "cheap moxen".

Congratulations on your performance!  Smile

edit: We also use 3 Chromatic Sphere. They create colored mana after a resolved Ad Nauseam (what your Chrome Moxes do), and turn topdeck tutors into Demonic Tutors with 2 storm.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 09:31:56 am »

Wow, that is almost exactly the same list we are testing at the moment.

I empathize.  You are surprisingly close to what I have together too.   I'm interested to see what you think of my list - and the differences -- when I post it next Monday. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 12:00:05 pm »

1.   Dan Carp, aka The Hebrew Hammer
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8 Island
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
4 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Emerald
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
2 Negate
4 Mana Leak
4 Impulse
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Ophidian
2 Back to Basics
3 Powder Keg
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Fact or Fiction

Sideboard:
4 Energy Flux
4 Propaganda
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Sower of Temptation

2.  Tommy Kolowith, Starcity Champion
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3 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Cryptic Command
2 Relic of Progenitus
4 Ophidian
4 Remand
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
3 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Back to Basics
1 Time Walk
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
5 Moxen
7 Island
1 Plains
2 Tundra
4 Flooded Strand
2 Polluted Delta
1 Tolarian Academy

SB:
4 Meddling Mage
2 Sower of Temptation
3 Energy Flux
1 Relic of Progenitus
3 Pithing Needle
1 Ronom Unicorn
1 Kami of Ancient Law

3.  Jason Jaco
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4 Force of Will
2 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
1 Chain of Vapor
3 Repeal
3 Mana Drain
3 Mind Twist
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Brainstorm
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Time Walk
4 Dark Confidant
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Tinker
1 Regrowth
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Gifts Ungiven
2 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Sundering Titan
1 Black Lotus
5 Moxen
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Academy Ruins
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
1 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Swamp

SB:
2 Extirpate
1 Volcanic Island
2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroblast
2 Ancient Grudge
3 Krosan Grip
4 Tarmogoyf


4.  Brian Fisher
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4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Duress
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
3 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Darksteel Colossus
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Ponder
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Brainstorm
1 Tinker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Echoing Truth
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Academy Ruins
3 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Island
3 Polluted Delta
2 Flooded Strand
5 Moxen
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus

SB:
2 Sower of Temptation
2 Seal of Primordium
2 Krosan Grip
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Platinum Angel

5-8 will follow shortly.
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2008, 06:21:28 pm »

5.  Jeremy fuckin' Seroogy, Starcity Champion
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4 polluted delta
1 bloodstained mire
3 underground sea
1 tropical island
1 bayou
1 swamp
1 tolarian academy
1 mox jet
1 mox emerald
1 mox sapphire
4 chrome mox
1 mana crypt
1 sol ring
1 mana vault
1 lotus petal
1 black lotus
4 dark ritual
3 cabal ritual
4 ad nauseam
1 necropotence
1 yawgmoth's will
1 brainstorm
1 chain of vapor
1 hurkyl's recall
4 pact of negation
4 duress
1 ancestral recall
1 merchant scroll
1 Repeal
3 Tendrils of agony
1 Demonic tutor
1 Demonic consultation
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Timetwister


sb
1 Repeal
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Hurkyl's Recall
4 xantid swarm
1 yixlid jailer
2 Extirpate
1 island
4 Dark Confidant


6.  Jake Kempfer
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4 Wild Nacatl
4 Kird Ape
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Tin Street Hooligan
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Aether Vial
3 Vexing Shusher
3 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Kami of Ancient Law
3 Skullclamp
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Windswept Heath
3 Taiga
3 Plateau
2 Savannah
1 Plains
1 Forest
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Black Lotus

SB:
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
3 Pithing Needle
2 Ray of Revelation
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast

7.  Danny Friedman
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1 Black Lotus
5 Moxen
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Mishra's Factory
2 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Tolarian Academy
6 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
4 Mishra's Workshop
4 Gemstone Mine
3 City of Brass
1 Tinker
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Crop Rotation
1 Balance
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Goblin Welder
2 Duplicant
1 Sundering Titan
1 Karn, Silver Golem
3 Smokestack
3 Tangle Wire
2 Uba Mask
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Trinisphere
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Chalice of the Void

SB:
3 Tormod's Crypt
2 Null Rod
2 Viashino Heretic
2 Ray of Revelation
2 Choke
1 In the Eye of Chaos
1 Triskelion
1 Jester's Cap
1 Duplicant


8.  Bryan Ferry
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4 Oath of Druids
1 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Negate
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Impulse
1 Gaea's Blessing
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Moxen
2 Duress
1 Black Lotus
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Echoing Truth
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Scroll Rack
2 Thoughtseize
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Hellkite Overlord
2 Mishra's Factory
1 Ponder
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Time Walk
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
2 Island
3 Polluted Delta
1 Wasteland
1 Strip Mine
1 Flooded Strand

SB:
1 Repeal
2 Oxidize
1 Simic Sky Swallower
2 Extirpate
1 Stifle
2 Trickbind
1 Tinker
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Gaea's Blessing
1 Platinum Angel
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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2008, 06:54:48 pm »

Tommy's list looks amazing. I knew Glen Elendra Archmage was redic, but I wasn't impressed with his last list. Ethersworn Canonist seems like a great addition. Only thing I'm surprised to see is EE over STP.

Ad Nauseum has been testing very well for me too. I'm surprised to here all you guys are playing 3-4 Chrome Mox. I've been tried 3 but quickly cut them in favor of a 8 Duress list, 12 Land list (I'll probably be going up to 13 Lands though). Have you tried Sensei's Top? It's a great threat that keeps your mana curve low.
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Great googily moogily.

Well, I guess I can't lurk anymore since Ben posted my list with the proper and accurate amount of Strip Mines.

There's a reason why it's called "Kick in the Nuts 5c Stax." Not only are 6 strip mines a figurative "kick in the nuts", but there is a literal truth as well. I am sure both Jamison, Ben, and John know exactly what I am referring to. Well, at least Ben obviously does  Wink
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Great googily moogily.

Well, I guess I can't lurk anymore since Ben posted my list with the proper and accurate amount of Strip Mines.

There's a reason why it's called "Kick in the Nuts 5c Stax." Not only are 6 strip mines a figurative "kick in the nuts", but there is a literal truth as well. I am sure both Jamison, Ben, and John know exactly what I am referring to. Well, at least Ben obviously does  Wink

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2008, 12:40:55 pm »

Tommy's list looks amazing. I knew Glen Elendra Archmage was redic, but I wasn't impressed with his last list. Ethersworn Canonist seems like a great addition. Only thing I'm surprised to see is EE over STP.

Ad Nauseum has been testing very well for me too. I'm surprised to here all you guys are playing 3-4 Chrome Mox. I've been tried 3 but quickly cut them in favor of a 8 Duress list, 12 Land list (I'll probably be going up to 13 Lands though). Have you tried Sensei's Top? It's a great threat that keeps your mana curve low.

I unfortunately ran into tommy the 1st round of top 8.  I think that this deck is truely my decks absolute worst matchup.  I have to combo out as soon as i can, because if am ethersworn canonist or glen alundra arcmage hits its close to no chance of me winning.   I haven't tested sensei's top yet, but i did at one point have ponder in the decklist, and Ponder seemed just mediocre to me.  I opted to run 4 duress and 4 pact of nagation for my protection in the deck, because i think that the 2 life cost of thoughtsieze is too much when every life point matters when going off.  The same is true for why i opted not to run yawgmoth's bargain in the maindeck.  When going off via ad nauseam the highest casting cost card in my deck is ad nauseam itself pre board, and i can comfortably bring myself down to 5 life or below 5 from the last card.  taking 2 dmg from a thoughtsieze could mean i dont see an extra card or 2, and overall, i tried to make the average casting cost as low as possible.  I got a few private messages asking why aren't I running force of will in the deck, and its the same reason I'm not running yawgmoth's bargain or mind's desire.  The casting costs are way too high, and on top of that i don't have enough blue cards in the maindeck to support them.   I'm running 4 chrome moxes and I believe that 4 is the right number in the deck, because when you are going off you can never have enough of these.  A. they hit for zero from ad nauseam, 2 when drawing all the cards you do with ad nauseam, you'll always have extra duress/ ad nauseam, or whatever to imprint on to them. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 01:10:19 am »

the_spooky_kid thanks for sharing the Nauseam list, I think the main problem I'd been having with my list was going up to 3 tendrils never occured to me.  It's definitely the right number and makes a huge difference.  I like the Repeal too.

Still running 4 Chrome Mox?  I'd settled on 2, but do run the WR real moxen.  I agree that flipping a chrome mox instead of a regular one while Nausiating (heh) is often crucial, I've definitely found finding a card to enable them with *before* going off it awkward and I always have a use for the colourless, even if it just lets me float a B I got from ritual.  I haven't had trouble making Naus connect for mana reasons or otherwise and I feel like cutting real moxes for chrome ones might be a touch win more.  Real moxes help resolve nauseam more than chromes, I think.

I had Scroll in for a long time too but eventually cut it, mostly because I found the implied UU requirement awkward.  This may be a function of less chrome mox but I like Ponder better.  I feel like Ponder's a bit more flexible actually, it can look for a bomb, ritual, or protection while of those Scroll only finds Pact.  Ponder however doesn't tutor out bounce.  I feel like the absence of Ponder is a fair question to raise in and of itself, Scroll's probably just what I'd cut to fit it.  I actually like Ponder enough I'm testing an Impulse right now.  The deck is pretty redundant, digging has a high chance of showing you something that does what you need.
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 05:17:40 pm »

Basically i feel that 3 tendrils of agony is the perfect number.  the deck actually likes to see on in its opening hand unlike other storm combo decks.  I am still running the 4 chrome moxen main.  The ruby and the pearl never really seemed to be that good in the deck.  merchant scroll i think is almost always better than ponder. it can turn 1 find ancestral recall, protection, bs, or any bounce spell in your deck. I almost always get pact of negation with it, but being able to tutor for answers can be very important.  There is hardly ever an implied UU with the deck. The only time there is one, is when you merchant scroll up ancestral or the bounce effect and then use it on that turn.  If you do this on turn 2 its not very hard. 
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