necropotence deck

[Mr.Giovanni]

Hello

I am brand new here, and I have come because as of late I have had the urge to build an old fashioned necro deck.  I have so far what I think is a decent start to the deck I want to build, I find myself at a loss of what to do from here.

4X dark ritual
4X duress
4X diabolic edict
4X phyrexian negator
4X nantuko shade

1X necropotence
1X mind twist
1X demonic tutor
1X demonic consultation

What I was considering for the deck is:

1X vampiric tutor
1X yawgmoth's will
1X yawgmoth's bargain
1X drain life

4X hypnotic specter
4X hymm to tourach

2X ivory tower
2X rain of tears

19X swamp
1X strip mine

At first glance the deck seems rather creature heavy, I am really not sure if thats what Im looking to do.  I had thoughts of removing the negators and putting in some land destruction in the form of rain of tears.  I am really not sure though any advice you guys can offer would be much appreciated.  Also I ask that you guys bear with me a bit I haven't been playing that much since the end Urza's block, so I am kind of out of the loop as it were.

Thanks for any advice

Mr. Giovanni

[nero angelo]

Hmm...

Try using these cards:

Umezawa's Jitte
Withered Wretch
Dark Confidant

on Board:

Leyline of the Void



And you got:

Suicide 


4 Hypnotic Specter
3 Nantuko Shade
4 Phyrexian Negator
4 Dark Confidant
3 Withered Wretch


4 Dark Ritual
4 Smother (Kills Welder on the spot.)
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole (Replace w/ 3x Mesmeric Fiend and 1 more Nantuko Shade IF you don't have them. DO NOT use 3cc Land-Destructions)

4 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
15 Swamp


Necropotence is basically replaced by Dark Confidant in Aggro decks. ^^

[Mr.Giovanni]

I do appreciate your input, but I have played sui black and I really don't have the mentality for it I guess.  I was looking to build something a bit more dated.  It was for lack of a better descriptor like control black.  It had towers for life gain, edicts for removal a lot of discard using hymn and duress and creatures to do what creatures do and bring the pain.  I guess Im pushing the idea of vintage here but I wonder if Im getting my point across.

[nineisnoone]

Mind Twist is unrestricted now if I recall correctly, so you can up that if you want too.

So you don't want Suicide Black (aggro-control) you want something more straight Control? And mono-black?

I would add Night's Whisper definitely, probably the best black card draw.  Thoughtseize is another possibility.  Skeletal Scrying is a power card, though I've never used it too much in any deck that I've run.  Normally block MBC decks I believe used to be powered by Cabal Coffers.  Kind of slow for Vintage, but gives a stable boost to mana rather the spurt that Ritual does. 

[KingHeavy]

if you can splash a color, white might be really interesting for Swords to Plowshares, Enlightened Tutor, Hide/seek and maybe even dawn charm/mana tithe to go with the control side of things, plus a land tax or two.  check out the ethersworn cannonist from shards of alara for necro-artifact-control potential.

there's also street wraith, faerie mcabre, and things like crucible of worlds locks you could throw in if you wanna stay in black.

He nineisnoone I dig on don Juan too!

[nero angelo]

@ Mind Twist:

It is basically a Hymn to Tourach. Well, it is WORSE than Hymn to Tourach.

@Dated Deck:

Personally, a MBC (Mono Black Control) is not that viable in vintage.

Why?


Your discard would have been for nothing if opponent resolves a Welder, Confidant, Recall.
Blue has "better" draw cards than you. (Better because of quantity)
Blue has counters, red has critters, white has critters as well, green is generally not played in vintage.
You have no artifact hate, maybe aside from Ashes to Ashes.
You are "slower" than most decks. (Yes you have Dark Rituals, but that is only a 1 turn acceleration)


I'm not saying black is bad, but it is at its best when combined with another color (say, blue. This is insane.)


If you are readily accepting splashes, I suggest Blue, and make a storm deck. ^^

BTW, Black is the best color to hose G.Y.

^^

[BruiZar]

Mindtwist is definately not worst than Hymn. Ever had your fow mana drained only to catch a mindtwist for 5 in the second main phase? A better answer would be that the manabase can't support this card in this deck and hymn is a closer fit.

Also, Leyline of the Void makes sure that stuff doesn't get welded.

If Yawgmoth's Bargain and Necropotence is the kind of deck you'd like to make, the most viable version would be to take an Ad Nauseam tendrils build. This is a combo variant so you would lose the blast from the past feeling.

If you'd like to stick with the concept of having an old styled black aggro deck with some tech and draw, you should definately stock up on dark confidants.

Seriously though, just run Ad Nauseam Tendrils. You're running Necropotence, Yawgmoth's Bargain and even drain life which is very close to Tendrils in the first place. If that's how you'd like to finish of your opponent, you need to go combo because it's much more explosive and effective.

[vintagethug01]

This is an interesting build I've been recently testing; I feel that night's whisper makes a good addition along with Confidant. They both seem to give the deck a more necro-ish feel and come close to accomplishing an old style feel.

You can replace extirpate with Leyline or Tormod's if you wish to strengthen your graveyard hate. Extirpate is fun; however, when you remove a welder with thoughtseize; it's also strong removal for Force of Will and Mana Drain so your Discard can remove real threats.

On a sidenote, I will point out that Hypnotic Specter no longer has strength as it did in the old days. I also removed Nantuko shade because I feel he's a little dated as well. Yeah he pumps and can be ruthless sometimes, but I can't really say I've won too many games solely on him being in play.


Feel free to adjust this deck as to how you see fit; this is my base and I modify it from time to time to see how it's doing.

// Lands
    3 Mishra's Factory
    3 Wasteland
    1 Strip Mine
    1 Maze of Ith
    14 Swamp

// Creatures
    4 Phyrexian Negator
    3 Dark Confidant

// Spells
    1 Necropotence
    1 Vampiric Tutor
    3 Night's Whisper
    1 Death Wish
    1 Demonic Tutor
    1 Nevinyrral's Disk
    1 Chainer's Edict
    1 Yawgmoth's Will
    4 Thoughtseize
    1 Mox Jet
    2 Crucible of Worlds
    3 Extirpate
    4 Sinkhole
    4 Hymn to Tourach
    4 Dark Ritual
    2 Duress

[BruiZar]

even a factory kills your confidant, factory and 3 permanents when blocking negator. anything creature based will hose your deck. What do you do against tarmogoyf?

[vintagethug01]

even a factory kills your confidant, factory and 3 permanents when blocking negator. anything creature based will hose your deck. What do you do against tarmogoyf?

Aggro has historically been a problem for MBC, but there are ways to overcome it. Staples like Edict, Spinning Darkness, and Contagion have always come into play here. Factory has eight land destruction spells to contend with, so Factory is not a problem. Worse case, you can always Wish out Edict. I feel this deck has a good chance against the upper tier if steered correctly. Its biggest weakness is Chalice and Decks that run Sphere/Thorn considering black has no real way of getting rid of artifacts. It kills Drain based decks, and can contend with most of the fish variants.