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http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/16958_So_Many_Insane_Plays_The_2009_Players_Guide_to_Vintage.htmlEditor's Blurb: Monday, January 12th - For a format with a relatively static cardpool, Vintage can mutate and evolve at a surprising rate. Today, Stephen Menendian brings us an invaluable insight into every viable deck in the current metagame. Whether you’re a seasoned professional or a Vintage virgin, you can’t miss this! In this article, I examine every viable decks (30 decks) in Vintage. I talk about their game plan, their buzz, and their weaknesses.
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TheOrangePet
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 08:50:20 am » |
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Excellent article. Informative to say the least.
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TheBigShow
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 07:07:18 am » |
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i was curious why u didnt put your budget black deck on there. i really like that deck.
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chrissss
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 08:24:07 am » |
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How long before premium articles are available for non premium members?
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Yes,Tarmogoyf is probably better than Chameleon Colossus, but comparing it to Tarmogoyf is like comparing your girlfriend to Carmen Electra - one's versatile and reliable, the other's just big and cheap.(And you'd run both if you could get away with)
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 09:13:29 am » |
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How long before premium articles are available for non premium members?
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's thee months. However, for $5 dollars this month, you can gain access to it right away and save the text on your hard drive. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 10:07:22 am » |
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i was curious why u didnt put your budget black deck on there. i really like that deck.
I second that, or is it just that much weaker than the R/G-beatz deck (of parfait for that matter)? Than again, including every deck is almost impossible, however suicide black never stopped lingering around and occasionally pop up in top eights. Greetzzzz, Robin. |
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Smmenen
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2009, 11:13:45 pm » |
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Since there have been a few inquiries and complaints:
If I pasted a decklist in the article without attribution, the editor of the article automatically attributed my name to it.
My guess is that in order to load the decks into SCG and format them, there has to be a name. So, in the absence of a listed name, my name was added in the language "suggested by...". Consequently there are a number of decks in here that are listed "suggested by Stephen Menendian," but that does not mean that I had any role in creating, developing, or anything to do with them, nor that it was my authorial intent to suggest as much.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 01:17:41 pm » |
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I wanted to delete my response, as I felt it was out of character, but have just now found that I am unable to. I have edited it to this instead.
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Smmenen
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 03:40:07 pm » |
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You'd have to ask the editor about that.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 03:56:24 pm » |
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You'd have to ask the editor about that.
Thanks for the heads up. I just contacted them in regards to the issue. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 07:44:59 pm » |
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when talking about the Ichorid list and gameplan, how come you didnt Include both Mana Ichorid, and manaless? i think that the Mana Version is alot stronger then the manaless, although more affected by hate cards.
ok, so i re-read this and realized what i said was backwards. what i meant was the Mana Version is alot faster, but more affected by hate then the manaless version.
I admit im not good with words or putting my ideas on paper...or in text for that matter, so i apologize if this doesnt make sense to some.
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Quote:
Ray: Canada has 8 hours per day without gravity
Not true its only 7 hours and 47 minutes
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 06:34:54 am » |
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Love your article. Just wondering why does the Oath deck only have 59 cards and a 14 card sideboard? What are the missing cards? If you can't answer here could you post an answer on Starcity. Thanks.
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Campee
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 11:23:15 pm » |
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What, no fish?
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Smmenen
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 11:24:24 pm » |
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Love your article. Just wondering why does the Oath deck only have 59 cards and a 14 card sideboard? What are the missing cards? If you can't answer here could you post an answer on Starcity. Thanks.
I don't know. What, no fish?
There are three Fish decks. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 01:46:14 pm » |
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I'm going to post about something that's been irritating me about your articles Steven. You are obviously paid to write articles for Starcity Games and that's awesome, grats on that but....
You do post these links to premium articles here that people cannot even read if they do not have star city premium. Normally I wouldn't have a problem with this except for the fact that you chastised someone for posting a decklist from it in one of your threads. It just seems monumentally stupid to post links to articles one must pay for on a third party website and get angry when people post a decklist from it in this thread. It feels like free advertising for yourself and starcity and I'm not sure that's the purpose of the Vintage forum.
In closing I'm not sure I'm the only one who is getting tired of links to your "premium articles" being posted on this forum where the content is free and centered around discussion of the format. I know I'm not some Vintage god or anything but personally I'd prefer if you either didn't get angry with people for posting your super secret tech from those paid articles or just don't advertise them here.
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Smmenen
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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2009, 01:54:46 pm » |
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I understand and empathize with your point. I can see how it could be irritating to see a bunch of discussions on articles you can't read for free.
However, Starcitygames.com owns themanadrain.com, so the payment to premium actually helps support the Mana drain. The reason that I asked people not to post the decklists in the articles is so that there is an incentive to purchase the premium service. In addition, SCG premium only costs five bucks for a month, so it's pennies per article. It's cheaper if you get it for longer.
Often, I will work on innovating a deck or talk about an important topic. I don't mind or try to stop when some decklists are posted elsewhere for the most part, but if it was a deck that I had worked on just for that article, posting the decklist for free here removes much of the incentive to purchase the service.
In any case, the articles become free after three months.
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Smmenen
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 02:45:50 pm » |
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I know many people found this article helpful when it was published, and now that three months have elapsed, this article is FREE! Unfortunately, it is slightly out of date, but only marginally so. The Mystic Remora deck was a more recent development, as was my Grow list. The bigger lesson is how little things change in three months.
When this article first went live, many of you complained (see two posts up) that they wish that these articles would be more widely available. I believe that it can still serve as a valuable resource for those of you who are interested in learning and playing Vintage. In fact, if you know people who you want to get into Vintage, this is a great primer for that purpose.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 08:24:52 pm » |
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I noticed that this article had gone free a day or two ago and went through and read the whole thing. As someone who is consdering getting back into the format, a brief update as to what's good and what's not as good as it used to be was tremendously helpful. The decklists provided were a good starting point for testing, too.
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