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« on: January 17, 2009, 04:47:00 pm » |
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Perhaps a new revival to Oath, "progenitus", a legendary 10/10 with protection from everything.
This may even surpass Darkstell Colussus as the biggest beat-stick ever!!!
I can't wait to see this card mixed into Oath decks
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 05:45:37 pm » |
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This plus archangel should prove pretty annoying, and both pitch to force.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 06:27:40 pm » |
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Wow. It's still technically slower than Akroma + Hellkite, but protection everything is pretty much awesome. The main issue with it's impact is that it is legendary and unhasted, meaning it'll have to be part of a package of creatures.
Almost makes me think that Show and Tell would be worth playing.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 10:03:46 pm » |
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Legendary shouldn't be problem if you only run one anyways.
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 10:50:52 pm » |
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Could this card make Show and Tell viable?!
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 10:57:24 pm » |
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 02:07:04 am » |
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ill agree with the first and last part gunslinga
but the oath deck was my first thought when i saw this guy
i think the new angel is better tho
that redirection is great and shroud is almost the same as the protection he offers in a vintage environment
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 06:35:50 am » |
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No haste, no vigilance, no play. Not to mention trample or flying But he has protection so that doesn't matter |
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 09:17:55 am » |
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No haste, no vigilance, no play. Not to mention trample or flying But he has protection so that doesn't matter Which is exactly why I didn't bring those up. However, haste and vigilance are extremely important, so I did mention those. Nice post. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 10:59:52 am » |
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i think the new angel is better tho New angel? |
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 02:17:06 pm » |
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I'll go out on a limb and guess that "new angel" is in reference to Empyrial Archangel.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 03:31:50 pm » |
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I'm thinking one Progenitus and one Akroma
That way, there is still the vilgilance of Akroma to block, as well as her first strike
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 03:47:30 pm » |
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Then you end up with your opponent at 3 life, ready to win next turn, and you Oath up Mr. Can't Attack and you lose.
I mean, seriously, it's not like Oath has that much trouble right now as far as creature quality goes. Oath has problems, yes, but they're more due to a lack of a good draw engine and lack of Brainstorm (and the fact that there are better decks out there) than lack of good Oath targets.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 01:40:34 am » |
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Then you end up with your opponent at 3 life, ready to win next turn, and you Oath up Mr. Can't Attack and you lose.
I mean, seriously, it's not like Oath has that much trouble right now as far as creature quality goes. Oath has problems, yes, but they're more due to a lack of a good draw engine and lack of Brainstorm (and the fact that there are better decks out there) than lack of good Oath targets.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 07:24:41 am » |
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Progenitus gets points for being cool, but I don't see it work in oath.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 05:16:34 pm » |
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It's a strictly better Simic Sky Swallower, which I know has seen play in Oath in the past, at least in the sideboard for Fish decks or whatever. I don't play Oath, so I don't know if this is common any more, but if it is this will certainly take that spot.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 05:25:05 pm » |
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I agree this guy is just not right for Oath. The best case scenario is Oath, timewalk, yawg, timewalk again....at that point you may as well run MD Gifts and achieve the same result minus Oath.
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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2009, 10:54:33 pm » |
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It's a strictly better Simic Sky Swallower, which I know has seen play in Oath in the past, at least in the sideboard for Fish decks or whatever. I don't play Oath, so I don't know if this is common any more, but if it is this will certainly take that spot.
The problem is that Empyrial Archangel is so off-the-charts good that I wouldn't dream of playing any other sideboard guys. |
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2009, 04:34:31 am » |
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This won't ever see play, perhaps a sideboard in a meta full of bounce or swords. Darksteel C sees play because it can be Tinkered, and be discarded to Thirst. Since the day brainstorm got banned, Slower oath builds can't win on card advantage, I have been playing loads with my new Oath builds, and the faster, the better. Hence at I use Akroma and Overlord, because the 20 damage after oath hits play is so important, having the angel out, then the 10/10 means you don't even use him, because the angel will have done 18 damage y the time this guy can attack. it does pitch to FOW though  |
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2009, 11:53:45 am » |
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It's a strictly better Simic Sky Swallower, which I know has seen play in Oath in the past, at least in the sideboard for Fish decks or whatever. I don't play Oath, so I don't know if this is common any more, but if it is this will certainly take that spot.
The problem is that Empyrial Archangel is so off-the-charts good that I wouldn't dream of playing any other sideboard guys. Newly spoiled: Inkwell Leviathan 7uu Artifact Creature - Leviathan Islandwalk, trample, shroud 7/11 Bigger than Empyrial Archangel, no damage replacement ability, Islandwalk instead of Flying. This has a similar chance of making it into Oath. Still not better than Angel, though |
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2009, 05:54:45 pm » |
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It's a strictly better Simic Sky Swallower, which I know has seen play in Oath in the past, at least in the sideboard for Fish decks or whatever. I don't play Oath, so I don't know if this is common any more, but if it is this will certainly take that spot.
The problem is that Empyrial Archangel is so off-the-charts good that I wouldn't dream of playing any other sideboard guys. Newly spoiled: Inkwell Leviathan 7uu Artifact Creature - Leviathan Islandwalk, trample, shroud 7/11 Bigger than Empyrial Archangel, no damage replacement ability, Islandwalk instead of Flying. This has a similar chance of making it into Oath. Still not better than Angel, though Geeze, conflux sure is pileing on the beat sticks. It's going to be SOOOO powerful to draft This would be great along side a Platty in an oath deck, with DSC sideboarded if the opponent isnt running any removal |
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2009, 10:48:35 pm » |
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This would be great along side a Platty in an oath deck, with DSC sideboarded if the opponent isnt running any removal
I quit playing artifact creatures in Oath when I got tired of losing to the Hurkyl's Recalls and Rebuilds that my opponent would bring in anyway for my Chalices. |
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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2009, 12:31:24 am » |
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This would be great along side a Platty in an oath deck, with DSC sideboarded if the opponent isnt running any removal
I quit playing artifact creatures in Oath when I got tired of losing to the Hurkyl's Recalls and Rebuilds that my opponent would bring in anyway for my Chalices. QFT. I always put in mass artifact bounce against Oath, whether I saw Chalices or not in game 1. |
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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2009, 08:49:17 am » |
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ok now we got ourselves an oath winner
Magister Sphinx 4wub
Artifact Creature - Sphinx Rare
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When Magister Sphinx comes into play, target player's life total becomes 10.
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2009, 08:59:15 am » |
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ok now we got ourselves an oath winner
Magister Sphinx 4wub
Artifact Creature - Sphinx Rare
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When Magister Sphinx comes into play, target player's life total becomes 10.
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Bah, it's slower than Akroma + Helkite. Peace, -Troy |
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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2009, 09:10:19 am » |
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ok now we got ourselves an oath winner
Magister Sphinx 4wub
Artifact Creature - Sphinx Rare
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When Magister Sphinx comes into play, target player's life total becomes 10.
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Bah, it's slower than Akroma + Helkite. Peace, -Troy Marginally so. If Sphinx is your first Oath and you hit another Akroma/Hellkite, then it's just as fast. I will definitely going to try this out. The ability to Pitch to Thirst, FoW, and be Tinkerable gives it so much more utility than any other creature that its worth serious consideration. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2009, 01:09:03 pm » |
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thanks nineisnoone i guess i don't need to make that point now
@troy yeah i meant winner as in the cards out of conflux revealed not overall oath creatures since these kids posted about progenitus for oath
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2009, 01:28:38 pm » |
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ok now we got ourselves an oath winner
Magister Sphinx 4wub
Artifact Creature - Sphinx Rare
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When Magister Sphinx comes into play, target player's life total becomes 10.
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Bah, it's slower than Akroma + Helkite. Peace, -Troy Marginally so. If Sphinx is your first Oath and you hit another Akroma/Hellkite, then it's just as fast. I will definitely going to try this out. The ability to Pitch to Thirst, FoW, and be Tinkerable gives it so much more utility than any other creature that its worth serious consideration. You make a good point, if you hit it first, it is practically the same. The fact that it's not dead in your hand may be a plus too. After reading your post, I think it may warrant more consideration than I initially gave it. Peace, -Troy |
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2009, 02:11:03 pm » |
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There may be some scenarios, too, when you need your life total to become 10.
But if you hit it second, it makes the first Oath activation for Hellkite Overlord or Akroma pointless.
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2009, 02:52:02 pm » |
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There may be some scenarios, too, when you need your life total to become 10.
But if you hit it second, it makes the first Oath activation for Hellkite Overlord or Akroma pointless.
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