Forgotten Paradise

[JodahAE]

Forgotten Paradise

Land

TAP: Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool.

Play this ability only if Forgotten Paradise is in your graveyard.

[BruiZar]

Amazing card, it needs a bigger draw back though. Play this in dredge to cast deed analysis or pitch for mox diamond to get 3 mana in the first turn.

The concept is awesome though, definately a mechanic i would like to play

[JodahAE]

What do you think about then adding a pain factor to it.
Make it a City of Brass that you use from the graveyard.

Forgotten Paradise

Land

When ever Forgotten Paradise becomes tapped it does 1 damage to you.
Tap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool

Play this ability only if Forgotten Paradise is in your graveyard.

[zeus-online]

Urh...? a card in the graveyard can't tap? You could make it "If this card is in the graveyard you may remove it from the game to add one mana of any color" ...But i think that no matter what you do with it, a land that produces mana from the yard is ridiculos.

/Zeus

[Anusien]

Pretty sure even if you could make lands that tap from the graveyard, it's not worth it.  I like zeus's idea of spirit guiding from the graveyard though.

[Matt]

Alternately, ", remove a land card in your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool."

[Dr.KnowMaD]

It could say "play this ability only if a card named Forgotten Paradise is in your/a graveyard" 


Dr.KnowMaD

[jro]

As currently worded, this card is one of the best mana accelerators in the history of Magic.  It's almost better than a Mox that taps for any color.  And it demands new rules to handle it.

Why should a card like this exist?  What role are you looking for it to play?  Just throwing out a card idea with no sense of context is as senseless as posting a decklist without any commentary.  (It's also contrary to the forum rules, fwiw.) There are many good suggestions in this thread of ways to make this card less powerful and work within the rules.  But without any context of what you're trying to do there's no way to discuss this card seriously.

[JodahAE]

This inspiration came to me after glancing over Crucible of Worlds. Debating the meaning of playing a land from the graveyard.

I thought about the idea of using a discarded land to increase the tempo of a game. I suppose it would be ideal in a dredge deck, or perhaps with some FoF or Gifts .
I also wanted to play around with the idea of using a discarded land from a Mox Diamond.
Understandably its really powerful but thats the idea that I was going for, to be used as a catalyst for increasing the tempo and drive of a deck.

I am glad that it strikes such a chord and I think the more adaptation considered the better, if it ends up toned done then thats what everyone feels is sufficient for practical game play.

[Darkenslight]

Would the phrase, "You may tap ~ as though it were in play if ~ is in your gravewyard?" make this card work, or am I just crazy?

[Anusien]

Would the phrase, "You may tap ~ as though it were in play if ~ is in your gravewyard?" make this card work, or am I just crazy?

There are more elegant ways to work it, I'm just not sure this sort of effect is good for Magic.

[Harlequin]

Why not just put it into play. 

You may not play ~this~.
You may not sacrifice ~this~ to pay the costs for spells or abilities.
When ~this~ is put into your graveyard, return it to play.
T: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.


It has the one of the common fatal flaw of design: Its either amazing or completely terrible.  It has no other application other than to be totally broken or totally unplayable.  As part of a block, you would have to include many common ways to discard cards/lands from your hand.


How about:

Otherworld
Land
When Otherworld is put into the graveyard from anywhere if it doesn't have a Journey token, at the end of turn return it to play with a Journey token.  If it was put into the graveyard tapped, it comes into play tapped.
: Add to your mana Pool, if Otherworld has a Journey token add one mana of any color instead.
, Remove a Journey Token: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool, sacrifice Otherworld.

[Oath of Happy]

I like the idea of making it RFG for 1 mana.  It would be really good, but still fair.  I would also like to see an in play ability for this card, mabey tap sac add 1 mana of any color, but then again grabbing 2 rainbow mana off one card would be way to broken.  How about:

Legendary Land
Tap Sac:  Add 1 mana of any color to you mana pool.
If Forgotten Paradise is in you graveyard you may remove it from the game to add 1 colorless mana to your mana pool.

This version would be like a Tendo Ice Bridge, but with faster mana and less long-term use.

What do you think?

[Anusien]

Tap for colorless, RFG from Graveyard and pay 2 life to add black seems reasonable.

[zeus-online]

Urh, isn't legendary almost a benefit with this land?

Turn 1, that land
Turn 2, tap it, play another, remove them both, that's 3 mana.

This is obviously a card for a combo deck or something like ichorid.
I really don't like that type of card, if there's one thing magic dosn't need it's more combo cards (imo)

/Zeus

[jro]

Tap for colorless, RFG from Graveyard and pay 2 life to add black seems reasonable.

I think that sounds fair.  But I don't like that that card basically says "Fit me into your dredge decks cause I'm pretty much useless otherwise."

The challenge with implementing the initial idea is that the card should probably have some uses outside of combo decks.  Bare minimum, then, you should be able to tap it for mana while it's in play.  (Although Dark Depths didn't do that, but that seems a very special case.)

Maybe something like:
Crumbling Garden
Land
Tap, Remove a card in your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Remove your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.  Play this ability only when Crumbling Garden is in your graveyard.

[Matt]

Maybe something like:
Crumbling Garden
Land
Tap, Remove a card in your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Remove your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.  Play this ability only when Crumbling Garden is in your graveyard.

I like this version a lot; especially the second ability I think it just about perfect. However, I have to wonder how close this is to a no-drawback City of Brass this is. Not every deck in every format uses its graveyard as a resource. How about changing the in-play ability to ", remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any of the removed card's colors to your mana pool."

[jro]

How about changing the in-play ability to ", remove a nonartifact, nonland card in your graveyard from the game: Add one mana of any of the removed card's colors to your mana pool."

I think that change sounds fair power-wise, but perhaps too complicated.  If you're afraid of the drawback never mattering, I'd sooner make it "Tap, remove two cards in your graveyard from the game: Add one many of any color to your mana pool."  I think simplicity is a virtue for this ability considering the other ability is largely unprecedented.

[dandan]

Forgotten Paradise

Land

TAP: Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool for each card named "Forgotten Paradise" in a graveyard.

Effectively each FP in a graveyard can generate 1 mana of any colour but needs a FP in play to activate it. Could be good with Dredge but strikes me as so situational that it is not overpowered. To be any good you'd want 4 of them in your deck and then you'd need to see at least 3 of the 4 before this becomes very good. However it does have potential for Timmy.

[Matt]

Forgotten Paradise

Land

TAP: Add 1 mana of any color to your mana pool for each card named "Forgotten Paradise" in a graveyard.

Effectively each FP in a graveyard can generate 1 mana of any colour but needs a FP in play to activate it. Could be good with Dredge but strikes me as so situational that it is not overpowered. To be any good you'd want 4 of them in your deck and then you'd need to see at least 3 of the 4 before this becomes very good. However it does have potential for Timmy.

wooo crop rotation!

jro: I took the wording straight from chrome mox but your version is good too.

[dandan]

Re: Crop Rotation - With just one land and the use of a card you get a land that taps for one mana, possibly not broken

Isn't my version effectively doing what was initially suggested but in a simple and non-combo-ish way (free mana from the graveyard strikes me as being a bit too useful to combo)

[andrewpate]

Dandan, I'm sure your version is fine.  Cloudpost is far from broken, and this simply gets colored mana and comes into play untapped in exchange for being really significantly harder to set up.  Taking a cue from Cloudpost, though, you might give it an arbitrary subtype instead of having its ability reference the card name.  It's a little less clunky-looking.