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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2009, 09:47:11 am »

If I had to guess what they were:

Balance
Berserk
Braingeyser
Chrome Mox
Divine Intervention
Doomsday
Fork
Ivory Tower
Mind over Matter
Mirror Universe
Mox Diamond
Recall
Replenish
Stroke of Genius
Underworld Dreams

Based on the new article, I can take Braingeyser, Fork, Mind over Matter, Mirror Universe, Mox Diamond, and Replenish off my list.  My revised list would be:

Ali from Cairo
Balance
Berserk
Chrome Mox
Dingus Egg
Divine Intervention
Doomsday
Icy Manipulator
Ivory Tower
Maze of Ith
Orcish Oriflamme
Recall
Rukh Egg
Stroke of Genius
Underworld Dreams

Ali from Cairo, Gauntlet of Might, and Divine Intervention are also reserved: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy

Just because they forgot to italicize them does not make them reprintable.


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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2009, 09:48:41 am »

Ali from Cairo, Gauntlet of Might, and Divine Intervention are also reserved: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy

Just because they forgot to italicize them does not make them reprintable.

Thanks for the heads up.  I edited my list.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2009, 09:54:31 am »

The chances of a big money card being reprinted are starting to look bleak.  That is not surprising, and in a way I'm glad that Moxes, etc. won't see reprint.  That being said, here is my dream list for this set (made up largely of Legacy/Vintage playable cards that have never been printed with the new card face):

1. Lotus Petal
2. Strip Mine
3. Mystical Tutor
4. Tinker
5. Ancient Tomb
6. Mind Twist
7. Brainstorm (could be awesome foiled with new art)
8. Mana Vault
9. Chaos Orb (best card ever for casual formats)
10. Burning Wish
11. Channel
12. Necropotence
13. Vampiric Tutor
14. Fastbond
15. Balance (already know it's in the set, even though it was reprinted recently as a judge promo)

And the list of "would be really awesome but probably won't see print because they're worth too much money":
Berserk
Imperial Seal
Mana Crypt
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2009, 09:55:17 am »

If you take out all the cards that are ante, on the no-reprint list, or restricted because of misprints, this is what you get:

Aether Vial 
Ancient Den 
Ancient Tomb 
Arcbound Ravager 
Balance 
Berserk 
Black Vise 
Brainstorm 
Burning Wish 
Channel 
Chrome Mox 
Crop Rotation 
Dark Ritual 
Darksteel Citadel 
Defiant Hero 
Demonic Consultation 
Demonic Tutor 
Dingus Egg 
Disciple of the Vault 
Doomsday 
Enlightened Tutor 
Entomb 
Fact or Fiction 
Fastbond 
Flash 
Frantic Search
Goblin Lackey 
Goblin Recruiter 
Great Furnace 
Gush 
Hermit Druid 
Hurkyl's Recall 
Hypnotic Specter 
Icy Manipulator 
Imperial Seal   
Ivory Tower
Kird Ape 
Land Tax 
Lin Sivvi
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt 
Mana Drain 
Mana Vault 
Maze of Ith 
Merchant Scroll 
Mind Twist 
Mind's Desire 
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence 
Oath of Druids 
Recall 
Regrowth 
Rishadan Port 
Rukh Egg 
Seat of the Synod 
Sensei's Divining Top 
Serendib Efreet 
Skullclamp 
Sol Ring 
Strip Mine 
Stroke of Genius 
Tinker 
Tree of Tales 
Trinisphere 
Underworld Dreams 
Vampiric Tutor 
Vault of Whispers 
Voltaic Key 
Windfall 
Worldgorger Dragon 
Zuran Orb 

If you take out cards that have recently been printed (Kamigawa until present) or obvious cards that won’t make the list like artifact lands, you get:

Aether Vial 
Ancient Tomb 
Arcbound Ravager 
Balance 
Berserk 
Black Vise 
Brainstorm 
Burning Wish 
Channel 
Crop Rotation 
Defiant Hero 
Demonic Consultation 
Dingus Egg 
Disciple of the Vault 
Doomsday 
Enlightened Tutor 
Entomb 
Fastbond 
Flash 
Frantic Search
Goblin Lackey 
Goblin Recruiter 
Hermit Druid 
Hurkyl's Recall 
Imperial Seal
Ivory Tower
Land Tax 
Lin Sivvi
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt 
Mana Drain 
Mana Vault 
Maze of Ith 
Merchant Scroll 
Mind Twist 
Mind's Desire 
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence 
Oath of Druids 
Personal Tutor
Recall 
Regrowth 
Rishadan Port 
Serendib Efreet 
Skullclamp 
Sol Ring 
Strip Mine 
Stroke of Genius 
Tinker 
Trinisphere 
Vampiric Tutor 
Voltaic Key 
Windfall 
Worldgorger Dragon 
Zuran Orb 

The initial press release for this set stated that the cards wouldn’t be too unbalanced in today’s environment.  So, let’s get rid of broken mana acceleration, cheap card advantage and cheap land destruction:

Aether Vial 
Arcbound Ravager 
Balance 
Berserk 
Black Vise 
Brainstorm 
Burning Wish 
Crop Rotation 
Defiant Hero 
Demonic Consultation 
Dingus Egg 
Disciple of the Vault 
Doomsday 
Enlightened Tutor 
Entomb 
Flash 
Goblin Lackey 
Goblin Recruiter 
Hermit Druid 
Hurkyl's Recall 
Imperial Seal
Ivory Tower
Land Tax 
Lin Sivvi
Mana Drain 
Maze of Ith 
Merchant Scroll 
Mind Twist 
Mind's Desire 
Mystical Tutor
Oath of Druids 
Personal Tutor
Recall 
Regrowth 
Serendib Efreet 
Stroke of Genius 
Tinker 
Trinisphere 
Vampiric Tutor 
Voltaic Key 
Worldgorger Dragon 
Zuran Orb 

This is my own personal short list of cards that could make it into FtV: Exiled.  It probably can be narrowed down some more, honestly.

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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2009, 09:57:43 am »

The chances of a big money card being reprinted are starting to look bleak.  That is not surprising, and in a way I'm glad that Moxes, etc. won't see reprint.  That being said, here is my dream list for this set (made up largely of Legacy/Vintage playable cards that have never been printed with the new card face):

1. Lotus Petal
2. Strip Mine
3. Mystical Tutor
4. Tinker
5. Ancient Tomb
6. Mind Twist
7. Brainstorm (could be awesome foiled with new art)
8. Mana Vault
9. Chaos Orb (best card ever for casual formats)
10. Burning Wish
11. Channel
12. Necropotence
13. Vampiric Tutor
14. Fastbond
15. Balance (already know it's in the set, even though it was reprinted recently as a judge promo)

And the list of "would be really awesome but probably won't see print because they're worth too much money":
Berserk
Imperial Seal
Mana Crypt
Mana Drain

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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2009, 10:38:17 am »


Oh well.  They weren't high on the list anyway.  Guess it's my top 13.
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2009, 12:00:41 pm »

Here's my list of 15 cards that if reprinted wouldn't kill the secondary market for the original printings, and would also be of interest to Vintage players because many of them have never been foil before:
Merchant Scroll
Demonic Consultation
Channel
Balance
Doomsday
Fastbond
Lotus Petal
Mana Vault
Mind Twist
Voltaic Key
Windfall
Necropotence
Crop Rotation
Frantic Search
Mystical Tutor


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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2009, 12:11:33 pm »

Here's my list of 15 cards that if reprinted wouldn't kill the secondary market for the original printings, and would also be of interest to Vintage players because many of them have never been foil before:
Merchant Scroll
Demonic Consultation
Channel
Balance
Doomsday
Fastbond
Lotus Petal
Mana Vault
Mind Twist
Voltaic Key
Windfall
Necropotence
Crop Rotation
Frantic Search
Mystical Tutor


From the Vault: Broken.

Fastbond is reserved: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy

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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2009, 12:19:18 pm »

Although I find all of this talk about Wizards screwing over customers
with Lin Sivvi and Dingus very funny,
I doubt they'd do that to paying customers.

It'd be like making little 8 year olds cry on purpose
when they spent their birthday money on cards that would be strong against their peers,
but were given a Dingus Egg instead.

Additionally,
I doubt that Wizards would print anything too situational
or something banned because of a specific broken card interaction(s).
(I'm not up on my Magic history, so please point out mistakes.)

They would want players to be able to play these cards,
so I'm assuming that most of these cards should be strong on their own.
It's possible that they'd include 1-2 "build around me" cards, but I doubt that includes something like Crop Rotation.

Also, the cards in the set could be of a substantial power level, since we already know Balance is in.
I'm not really sure where to draw the line on power, since it's so subjective in this case,
so I'll just leave all the broken stuff in.

So, taking Troy's second list (before he took out overpowered stuff)
and removing Fastbond (reserved, thanks Katzby) and Hurkyl's Recall (it's in tenth),
and skimming it of the above two criteria, I got this:

Aether Vial  
Ancient Tomb  
Arcbound Ravager  
Balance  
Berserk  
Black Vise  
Brainstorm  
Burning Wish  
Channel  
Crop Rotation  
Demonic Consultation  
Dingus Egg  
Disciple of the Vault  
Doomsday  
Enlightened Tutor  
Entomb  
Flash
Frantic Search
Goblin Lackey  
Goblin Recruiter  
Hermit Druid  
Imperial Seal
Ivory Tower
Land Tax  
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt  
Mana Drain  
Mana Vault  
Maze of Ith  
Merchant Scroll  
Mind Twist  
Mind's Desire  
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence  
Oath of Druids  
Personal Tutor
Recall
Regrowth  
Rishadan Port  
Serendib Efreet  
Skullclamp  
Sol Ring  
Strip Mine  
Stroke of Genius  
Tinker  
Trinisphere  
Vampiric Tutor  
Voltaic Key  
Windfall  
Worldgorger Dragon  
Zuran Orb  

Next, I think we can get rid of all the situational tutors,
which were banned or restricted because they got specific overpowered cards,
like Mystical Tutor, which itself is not broken without stuff like Ancestral Recall, and Yawgmoth's Will.
I'll leave general tutors like Vampiric on the list, since those can played in most decks without super brokenness present.

Also, let's remove cards that have been restricted or banned recently,
and those that currently see play in Extended,
since the announcement referred to the selected cards as "elder cards",
which means, from my viewpoint, that they should be old enough
to not be known or banned from the recent extended season.

Aether Vial  
Ancient Tomb    
Balance  
Berserk  
Black Vise    
Channel    
Demonic Consultation  
Doomsday  
Enlightened Tutor    
Imperial Seal
Ivory Tower
Land Tax  
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt  
Mana Drain  
Mana Vault  
Maze of Ith  
Merchant Scroll
Mind Twist  
Mind's Desire  
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence  
Oath of Druids  
Personal Tutor
Recall
Regrowth  
Rishadan Port  
Serendib Efreet  
Skullclamp  
Sol Ring  
Strip Mine  
Tinker  
Vampiric Tutor  
Windfall  
Zuran Orb  

Last, I'll remove cards which I personally don't think will be in the set for various reasons:

Ancient Tomb (Is not strong or flashy enough in my opinion. It also deals consistent damage, which drives away some players.)
Balance  
Berserk  
Black Vise    
Channel    
Demonic Consultation (I can't imagine a casual player that would want to cast this. It's too risky.)
Doomsday (I'm on the fence about this one, since it's so flashy. But in the end, it strikes me as too narrow.)
Imperial Seal (It's a tutor that loses life. Lame.)
Ivory Tower
Land Tax (Not broken without Moxen, and admittedly not fun at all.)
Lotus Petal (Could happen, but strikes me as too small of an effect.)
Mana Crypt   --> (I hope they print this one, but it does lose life, so it's iffy. Hopefully, the coin flipping will make it fun enough to justify.)
Mana Drain  
Mana Vault  
Maze of Ith  
Mind Twist  
Necropotence  
Oath of Druids (Why this card can be played fairly as a singleton, it's more infamous for being abused in multiples. So, why include just one?)
Recall (I think this one could happen, but I just hope they don't do it, since this card sucks even by today's standards.)
Regrowth  
Rishadan Port   (Tap a land? That doesn't seem very good to a non-Spike.)
Serendib Efreet  
Sol Ring  
Strip Mine  
Tinker--> (I think this one is a really close call. It's not too hard to build around, but it does require a fair amount of commitment. It's also fairly new compaired to the other things listed.)
Vampiric Tutor --> (I think it's iffy, since it's a tutor that loses life, but maybe it could happen.) 
Windfall (Not broken without a broken deck.)
Zuran Orb  

So, this is my final list of the 15 that I think will probably be printed:
(Albeit, it's a hopeful list. It could so, so much worse. RECALL SUCKS! Mad)

Balance 
Berserk 
Black Vise     
Channel     
Ivory Tower
Mana Drain (If this doesn't make it, please give me a Mana Crypt, Wizards! Very Happy)
Mana Vault
Maze of Ith (The art possibilities for this are awesome.)
Mind Twist 
Necropotence 
Regrowth 
Serendib Efreet 
Sol Ring 
Strip Mine 
Zuran Orb

Of course, the fact that they put Balance as the preview makes me think that Mana Drain won't be in it.
Unless they're waiting until right before the release to announce the product's contents
as some type of perverted game to award those who reserve it,
since everyone and their mom would buy something with a foil Mana Drain inside, if they could,
wouldn't they say they were printing a $100 card?

In which case, Recall will probably replace it, making me sad. Sad
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2009, 11:51:25 pm »

I think in this case a Necromancy is more appropriate than starting a new thread:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/50

WARNING: SPOILERS



The Lucky 15 Are:

Balance
Beserk
Channel
Gifts Ungiven
Goblin Lackey
Kird Ape
Lotus Petal
Mystical Tutor
Necropotence
Sensei's Divining Top
Serendib Efreet
Skullclamp
Strip Mine
Tinker
Trinisphere

Not a bad haul, but I was really hoping for Mana Vault, and while I wasn't holding my breath, Mana Drain and/or Imp Seal would've been pretty cool. There is definitely some chaff (aka the creatures), and I think the Deckmaster's Necro makes this one not so special, but I'm still definitely going to pick myself up one (or two).
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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2009, 12:02:56 am »

I'm not feeling most of the new art but foil Petal and Strip Mine seems nice. Worth the $35 but I'm still disappointed to see Kird Ape/Serendib on there.

Also Tezz is in the art for Tinker, take that as you will.
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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2009, 12:10:22 am »

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Y'all can fuck yourselves. Goblin Lackey >>>> Tinker. ALL DAY LONG.
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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2009, 12:15:24 am »

As expected, they did not reprint anything of such value that buying the entire boxed set is cheaper than the secondary market value.  Berserk is a possible exception, but it is not really that difficult to find a played Unlimited one for under the box's MSRP with some poking around.

I still believe that foil, limited run reprints are a good partial solution to the barrier of entry to Eternal formats.  They could do a small print run on a box with a set of 40 dual lands, put the MSRP at $99.99, and give some young players a major leg up into Legacy without screwing people who have bought the old ones particularly badly.  I own duals, many of them dearly bought, and I still can't imagine anyone seriously opposing such a product.  FtV:Exiled, while neat, doesn't strike me as a major incentive for anyone to get into Eternal.  I think that most purchasers will be people who at least dabble in Eternal formats already, looking to pimp existing decks.  Honestly, who in the world longs to own a Tinker or a Trinisphere and doesn't already?
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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2009, 01:48:13 am »

I'm actually a bit disappointed....I hate the new art(s) and there are no really valuable cards.

Also old frame nonfoil > Newframe foil.

The only card i'm a bit excited about is serendib to be honest...But i think i'd still rather have an ugly "green reprint" serendib then one with the new frame.
(Although serendib is still a bit....boring....considering that the only current deck that plays them is faerie stompy in legacy as far as i know)
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2009, 05:36:37 am »



I think this looks pretty sick!
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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2009, 05:37:55 am »

I think the original art looked darker and more sinister.
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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2009, 09:10:31 am »

Where are we going to be able to buy these sets?
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2009, 09:59:28 am »

I'll probally look for a copy at some point.  At a minimum, its 6 more foiled cards for 5c Stax/Staxless workshop decks!

Would have loved to see Mana Crypt over Kird Ape though, I think would have made a lot of on the fence buyers look for a copy.
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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2009, 12:32:12 pm »

I'm hopeful to pick up a copy.  Three alternate arts remain to be revealed.  My thoughts:

Balance - Alreaady available as a judge foil.  I prefer the judge foil art anyway.
Beserk - The biggest 'money card' this set has to offer, will be nice to have.  Maybe in an Uril the Miststalker EDH deck.  Playable at the outside maybe?  In Lorescale Coatl GRO?
Channel - A great card, but little to no appeal to me now.  I like the original art.
Gifts Ungiven - A bit Meh.  Only difference will be set symbol and foiling process....
Goblin Lackey - Not up my alley.
Kird Ape - Even less up my alley.
Lotus Petal - Will be cool to have as a foil.
Mystical Tutor - Probably the biggest hit for Vintage players as it wasn't previously available in foil.
Necropotence - Just got a deckmasters one myself, and like that one much more.
Sensei's Divining Top - As with Gifts, already available in foil.  Since most Vintage decks play at most one or two this could be useful.  Obviously heavily played in Legacy.
Serendib Efreet - Not up my alley.
Skullclamp - Not up my alley.  Maybe in some EDH deck with tokens.
Strip Mine - Looking forward to this for sure.  #2 behind Mystical for me.
Tinker - Tezz doesn't look so hot.  The Jhoira art is pure win, and I only recently got a foil one.  A good thing to have though.
Trinisphere - I suppose these exist in Darksteel as foils already, but it's a nice surprise to find in the box set since I wouldn't have gone out of my way to get one.

More than half the set is cool/useful for vintage.  I was hoping for Mana Vault really, but I never got my hopes up for Drain/Imp. Seal, so can't be too disappointed.  This is definitely worth more than MSRP!
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2009, 01:38:38 pm »

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I think would have made a lot of on the fence buyers look for a copy.

It's already going to sell out in roughly 2.7 seconds everywhere and I can't imagine the sealed ebay prices being less than like 100 bucks.
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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2009, 03:35:39 pm »

This thing is unreal! Finally I can get a foil strip mine.  Also, I can finally change out my jap mystical tutor for a foil. I am kind of on the fence about which one is cooler though.   
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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2009, 04:16:15 pm »

isn't describing something as jap considered a racial slur?
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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2009, 04:26:28 pm »

isn't describing something as jap considered a racial slur?
Not in this context, where he's clearly just abbreviating "Japanese," and purely descriptively, without intending any disparagement of the card for being Japanese.

Now, if he'd said "nip," that would be a different story.
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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2009, 05:10:51 pm »

isn't describing something as jap considered a racial slur?
Not in this context, where he's clearly just abbreviating "Japanese," and purely descriptively, without intending any disparagement of the card for being Japanese.

Now, if he'd said "nip," that would be a different story.

Forgive me, I most certainly meant it as an abbreviation.  
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2009, 11:45:46 pm »

Personally, I love the alternate Tinker art.  Much cooler picture of Tezz.  Very Jesus-y.  Maybe that's the idea, except instead of turning water to wine he's turning jewelry into gigantic indestructible robots.  Alternate Necro is very cool also, but it's tough competition against the original.  Lackey alt is great, although it's a very different take on the flavor.

I have to say, the alt for Berserk isn't so bad now that you can see the entire picture.  I think I still like the original art a bit more though.

Not very excited about the alt Balance.  Flying-helmet-knight dude is just too cool.

I'm going to try to buy as many of these as possible at Gen Con.  I generally don't use foils, so if anyone is looking to trade, PM me.  Hint: vassago I am interested in your Japanese Mystical.
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« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2009, 10:21:55 pm »

While I am glad the set is being released, I do have to express slight disappointment about the absence of Imperial Seal. Overall, not bad, particularly with Berserk, but I really had wanted to see Seal.

Edit: Also, to all those people who said neither Seal nor Mana Drain would be in there: "you were right."
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« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2009, 08:59:37 pm »

Just so you know, Wizards released the official spoiler. Looks pretty sick, especially the new art necro, and the foil stripmine and lotus petal should be sick.

Here's a link  http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/50
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2009, 05:02:32 pm »

I'm hopeful to pick up a copy.  Three alternate arts remain to be revealed.  My thoughts:

Balance - Alreaady available as a judge foil.  I prefer the judge foil art anyway.
Beserk - The biggest 'money card' this set has to offer, will be nice to have.  Maybe in an Uril the Miststalker EDH deck.  Playable at the outside maybe?  In Lorescale Coatl GRO?
Channel - A great card, but little to no appeal to me now.  I like the original art.
Gifts Ungiven - A bit Meh.  Only difference will be set symbol and foiling process....
Goblin Lackey - Not up my alley.
Kird Ape - Even less up my alley.
Lotus Petal - Will be cool to have as a foil.
Mystical Tutor - Probably the biggest hit for Vintage players as it wasn't previously available in foil.
Necropotence - Just got a deckmasters one myself, and like that one much more.
Sensei's Divining Top - As with Gifts, already available in foil.  Since most Vintage decks play at most one or two this could be useful.  Obviously heavily played in Legacy.
Serendib Efreet - Not up my alley.
Skullclamp - Not up my alley.  Maybe in some EDH deck with tokens.
Strip Mine - Looking forward to this for sure.  #2 behind Mystical for me.
Tinker - Tezz doesn't look so hot.  The Jhoira art is pure win, and I only recently got a foil one.  A good thing to have though.
Trinisphere - I suppose these exist in Darksteel as foils already, but it's a nice surprise to find in the box set since I wouldn't have gone out of my way to get one.

More than half the set is cool/useful for vintage.  I was hoping for Mana Vault really, but I never got my hopes up for Drain/Imp. Seal, so can't be too disappointed.  This is definitely worth more than MSRP!

the berserk will not be worth as much as the petal or mystical
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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2009, 03:53:25 pm »

lolz the berserk is currently the highest listed card on ebay at least, going at 30-45, with petal at 20-25.
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« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2009, 10:58:46 pm »

How "limited" are these?

In following the release of these over at MTG Salvation is seems like, at least in the US, anybody that ordered them received a good amount of them. The local store got close to 20 of them in and they're small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. I've read of stores jacking the prices way up (between $60-$100 instead of MSRP $35) and limiting purchases to one per person but overall I get the feeling they a lot more prevalent than FTV: Dragons from a year ago.

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