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Mr. Nice Guy Games Like a Dolorian hitting 88 miles an hour.... Nice Guy comes through with a time themed event! The field was fun and diverse and had 22 participants. Though, the crowd was a bit smaller than we are used to here in the 'burgh, Nice Guy proves his name sake by offering the full guaranteed prize support. In addition to the Time Walk, Time Vault and two Time Twisters, 5th through 8th recieved draft sets and a foil Tezzeret was given away as a door prize! The INSANE Prize Pool  The Coveted Cookie Cakes  Door Prize Jason Swim  9th Place Joshua Howe 'Better luck next TIME'  8th Place Will Schilling Mr. Fahrenheit  4x Force of Will 4x Mana Drain 3x Thirst for Knowledge 3x Impulse 3x Duress 2x Tarmogoyf 1x Inkwell Leviathan 1x Fact or Fiction 1x Gift's Ungiven 1x Tinker 1x Yawgmoth's Will 1x Hurkyl's Recall 1x Time Walk 1x Regrowth 1x Demonic Tutor 1x Merchant Scroll 1x Brainstorm 1x Vampiric Tutor 1x Mystical Tutor 1x Ponder 1x Ancestral Recall 1x Time Vault 1x Voltaic Key 1x Sol Ring 1x Mana Vault 1x Mana Crypt 1x Lotus Petal 1x Black Lotus 1x Mox Ruby 1x Mox Sapphire 1x Mox Emerald 1x Mox Jet 1x Mox Pearl 4x Polluted Delta 1x Flooded Strand 2x Tropical Island 2x Underground Sea 2x Island 1x Tolarian Academy 1x Strip Mine 1x Wasteland Sideboard: 1x Echoing Truth 1x Engineered Explosives 1x Trinisphere 2x Tormod's Crypt 2x Yixlid Jailor 2x Sower of Temptation 3x Pithing Needle 3x Krosan Grip 7th Place Jerry Yang Tezzeret  4xUnderground Sea 3xPolluted Delta 2xFlooded Strand 2xIsland 1xLibrary of Alexandra 1xSnow-covered Island 1xSwamp 1xTolarian Academy 1xBlack Lotus 1xMana Crypt 1xMana Valut 1xMox Emerald 1xMox Jet 1xMox Pearl 1xMox Ruby 1xMox Sapphire 4xForce of Will 4xMana Drain 4xThirst for Knowledge 2xDuress 2xThoughtseize 1xAncestral Recall 1xBrainstorm 1xDarksteel Colossus 1xDemonic Tutor 1xFact or Fiction 1xGifts Ungiven 1xMerchant Scroll 1xTinker 1xMystial Tutor 1xPonder 1xRebuild 1xRelic of Progenitus 1xTendrils of Agony 1xTezzeret the Seeker 1xTime Walk 1xTime Vault 1xTrinket Mage 1xVampiric Tutor 1xVoltaic Key 1xYawgmoth's Will Sideboard: 3xCursecather 3xYixlid Jailer 2xDark Ritual 2xHurkyl's Recall 1xEngineered Explosives 1xPithing Needle 1xRebuild 1xTormon's Crypt 1xTrinisphere 6th Place Sean Robbins UG Landstill  4xTamogoyf 4xStandstill 1xAncestral Recall 1xTime Walk 1xBrainstorm 4xForce of Will 3xMana Drain 2xDaze 2xMisdirection 3xNegate 3xNull Rod 2xCrucible of Worlds 2xHuryl's Recall 1xEchoing Truth 3xStifle 1xBlack Lotus 1xMox Sapphire 1xMox Emerald 1xMox Ruby 2xTropical Island 4xIsland 2xPolluted Delta 2xFlooded Strand 4xMishra's Factory 4xWasteland 1xStrip Mine 1xLibrary of Alexandria Sideboard: 2xAnnul 2xEnergy Flux 2xThreads of Disloyalty 2xKrosan Grip 2xTormed's Crypt 4xRelic of Progenitis 1xCrucible of Worlds 5th Place Anthony Michaels aka Twaun Balla @$$ $tack  4xDark Confident 4xGoblin Welder 4xSmoke Stack 4xTangle Wire 4xSphere of Resistance 1xTrinisphere 3xNull Rod 3xCrucible of Worlds 4xChalice of the Void 1xBlack Lotus 1xMox Jet 1xMox Sapphire 1xMox Ruby 1xMos Emerald 1xMox Pearl 1xSol Ring 3xMishra's Workshop 4xWaste Land 1xStripmine 1xTolarian Academy 1xBabarian Ring 1xWooden Foothills 1XBlood Stained Mire 4xBad Lands 2xUrborg Tomb of Yawgmoth 3xBazaar of Bagdad Sideboard: 4xTormods Crypt 2xRed Elemantal Blast 2xVashino Heredic 2xMaze of Ith 2xTabernacal at Pendral Vale 2xRack and Ruin 1xPithing Needle 4th Place CJ Mortiz Sea Drake.dec  4xAugury Adept 3xSea Drake 1xDarksteel Colossus 4xMana Drain 4xForce of Will 4xThirst for Knowledge 1xMerchant Scroll 1xMystical Tutor 1xTinker 1xAncestral Recall 1xBlack Lotus 1xMox Ruby 1xMox Jet 1xMox Sapphire 1xMox Pearl 1xMox Emerald 4xChalice of the Void 3xNull Rod 3xDaze 1xEchoing Truth 1xHurkyl's Recall 12xIsland 5xPolluted Delta 1xMisdirection Sideboard: 4xTormod's Crypt 3xPropoganda 3xBack to Basics 1xSundering Titan 2xTelemins Perfomance 1xEchoing Truth 1xHurkyl's Recall 3rd Place John Grudzima Elves! 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Sean about to throw down.  John's hand is the NUTZ!  Sorry John, Paul's is even better!  Clash of the Vintage titans.  The Nice Guy Family: Mr. Nice Guy, Mrs. Mr. Nice Guy and the newest addition, little Miss. Mr. Nice Guy.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2009, 07:53:25 pm » |
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I had a lot of fun at the event except for my 3rd round match. Cant wait for the event your running in August.
Great job by the cheater that took 3rd place (the guy playing elves). He played a Sorcery EOT in our match to help him win the game, otherwise I would have won and crushed his hopes for the top 8. He should have got a game lose for that load of BS.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2009, 08:35:27 pm » |
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Tran Stax returns!
Also, Paul's shirt is pretty awesome. And Jerry Yang in a top 8? What is that?
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 08:41:58 pm » |
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Jerry Yang consistently finds a way to register the worst sideboard in the tournament, im not sure whats better this one or the 1 Bloodstained Mire 4 Mana Drain 3 Painter's Servant 3 Grindstone TPS sb. Well done Sculptriano, please pm me a slice of that cookie cake. Great job by the cheater that took 3rd place (the guy playing elves). He played a Sorcery EOT in our match to help him win the game, otherwise I would have won and crushed his hopes for the top 8. He should have got a game lose for that load of BS.
I think the real cheater was 4th Place CJ Mortiz who decided to run 5 copies of Polluted Delta. |
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IDK why you're looking for so much credibility: You top 8ed a couple tournaments. Nice Job! |
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2009, 08:47:04 pm » |
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Great job by the cheater that took 3rd place (the guy playing elves). He played a Sorcery EOT in our match to help him win the game, otherwise I would have won and crushed his hopes for the top 8. He should have got a game lose for that load of BS.
See, when people do things like that to me, I call judges. Or sometimes I have to teach my opponent how to play. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2009, 08:58:53 pm » |
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Great job by the cheater that took 3rd place (the guy playing elves). He played a Sorcery EOT in our match to help him win the game, otherwise I would have won and crushed his hopes for the top 8. He should have got a game lose for that load of BS.
See, when people do things like that to me, I call judges. Or sometimes I have to teach my opponent how to play. The owner/judge was right there and just said we couldnt go back b/c I didnt notice it was a sorcery till it was already his turn. So it was to late, he just got a warning for it. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2009, 08:59:10 pm » |
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Oh wow, are those actual Cursecatchers in Jerry's board? I mean seriously, one of you other Ohio guys needs to go through his deckbox just before the event and replace his whole sideboards with basic islands or something. It would usually be an upgrade.
For instance, Flash -> Stifle Naught transformative board? Oh yeah, that was real.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2009, 10:29:08 pm » |
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See, when people do things like that to me, I call judges. Or sometimes I have to teach my opponent how to play. Good points. Reading cards you're not terribly familiar with helps reduce the chance of this happening as well. Great event yet again. I've never been the least bit disappointed at these events, and I don't expect to be anytime soon! Congrats to everyone that did well. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2009, 06:14:17 am » |
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I think the real cheater was 4th Place CJ Mortiz who decided to run 5 copies of Polluted Delta.
LOL - My wife was kind enough to type up the lists for me (she doesn't play and has no understanding of the game.) I will fix the list when I am home from work... if I remeber. In terms of the cheat- I'd prefer this not turn into a thread jack, but I believe that would be the proper ruling. You can't reverse game state and it would be both of your responsibilities to READ the card. Typically, it results in a warning. (I've had this happen to me WAY to many times thanks to opponents using foriegn cards; so I do understand how bad it sucks.) |
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2009, 08:18:55 am » |
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My sideboards are always terrible. How else will anyone know what deck list I played? I never even put my name on the deck list.
It was nice to see 4 Cleveland guys in the Top 8...next time, we'll be taking even more of Pittsburgh's power back to Cleveland.
EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot my shout out to the TO. Thanks for keeping the prize support despite the lower attendance. It wasn't necessary to take a loss for the day, but I appreciate the gesture since very few places provide such a good prize structure.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2009, 09:24:19 am » |
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Sounds like this was a fun tournament. I'll make an effort to come up for the next one. Sadly, no one else from Team Baltimore wanted/could commit to go to my knowledge. Ah well, congrats to all.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2009, 10:51:22 am » |
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EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot my shout out to the TO. Thanks for keeping the prize support despite the lower attendance. It wasn't necessary to take a loss for the day, but I appreciate the gesture since very few places provide such a good prize structure.
I agree. The whole Mr. Nice Guy Family is top notch. Ron spent a couple of rounds searching for cards for me to buy and came up with a playset of Scavenger Folk from The Dark. I definitely appreciate the hard work they put into running a successful tournament (including taking a huge hit on the prizes), but they always do a great job of general customer service as well. I'm happy to spend money there. Support your local Vintage scene! |
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2009, 11:06:00 am » |
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I played some ofthe most awesome Magic in a while at this tournament. My top 8 match vs Twan was super-intense - after Bobbing my Inkwell in game 3, I was holding my breath for the rest of the game! Then I played John with the Elves deck, which I think I was the definite underdog playing a Remora deck against a create based combo deck. The last round vs Nam was also noteable - I had to let him lose to his own Mana Crypt after getting Jester's Capped, and I think he survived more than 20 rolls without hitting a single even number.
Mad props to Ron (the store owner) for keeping up this awesome prize support even though the turnout wasn't very high. As Vintage players we're in it for love of the game, not to try to win a ton of money, so I think we would have been cool with a little decrease in prizes - but Ron is not that kind of guy. Integrity is more important to him than making money, so I think we really have to respect him for that.
Thanks to everyone who made this event posible and also to everyone who showed up - and to everyone who didn't, you really missed out. This event was first-class all the way.
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2009, 02:42:34 pm » |
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Thanks for an awesome event. This was my first vintage tournament, and it certainly gave me a positive impression of the format and events in general. Hopefully I'll be able to make it out to another event at this location before the end of summer.
BTW, I'm the guy with the smaller cookie cake (which was delicious).
Maybe if I don't make 2 major play errors on the day I'll fail less hard next time. :p
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2009, 02:43:40 pm » |
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Maybe if I don't make 2 major play errors on the day I'll fail less hard next time. :p
Yeah, man, don't be so quick to scoop to 4 goblin tokens. |
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2009, 02:51:19 pm » |
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Maybe if I don't make 2 major play errors on the day I'll fail less hard next time. :p
Yeah, man, don't be so quick to scoop to 4 goblin tokens. Yeah, I got to win a match 3-0... go me. -_- That's what I get for not knowing my list as well as I should. There really isn't any excuse for that, though, because we had plenty of time in the round. |
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2009, 08:28:01 pm » |
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Sup,
I wanted to thank all of the vintage players for their kind words on the boards and at my store. You make me feel good about running events, because sometimes it can feel like a thankless job. This tournament was smaller than what we usually get, but it had a nice and relaxed vibe to it. The tournament was not short on competition though. I saw alot of creativity and interesting play. The last finals match was indeed crazy as Nam declared that he had no outs to his own Mana Crypt, though it still took forever for that Crypt to finish him off. You had to see it to believe it.
I did take a loss on the guaranteed prize support this time, but I still will offer gauranteed prizes next time. Back when I was a player, I did not want to drive for hours when the prizes were not gauranteed. I want the vintage players to know that my tournaments will always be worth the trip. I will always offer the best authentic Magic cards possible.
Some asked for a meta breakdown so here it is:
4 Drain - Some with Tez and some without Tez
5 Combo - Belcher, Ad Naus, TPS, Elf, Dream Halls
2 Workshop
4 Aggro - Fish, Zoo, Tarm
3 Bazaar
2 Oath
2 Standstill
An interesting stat was that there were eight decks that contained Mana Drain in the tourney and five of them made the top eight.
More props to the players for keeping the store so clean, there wasn't a bit of garbage lying around after the tourney. I appreciate that respectfulness.
Props again to Brain Keil for helping me organize these events.
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In terms of the cheat- I'd prefer this not turn into a thread jack, but I believe that would be the proper ruling. You can't reverse game state and it would be both of your responsibilities to READ the card. Typically, it results in a warning.
(I've had this happen to me WAY to many times thanks to opponents using foriegn cards; so I do understand how bad it sucks.)
I just feel robbed. It shows to me that you can cheat in the game and get away with a warning if your caught. Its like, oh hey you cheated, thats ok, just dont let it happen agian. Then to find out his actions helped him advance to win a $200 card. Something about the whole thing just feels wrong. |
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In terms of the cheat- I'd prefer this not turn into a thread jack, but I believe that would be the proper ruling. You can't reverse game state and it would be both of your responsibilities to READ the card. Typically, it results in a warning.
(I've had this happen to me WAY to many times thanks to opponents using foriegn cards; so I do understand how bad it sucks.)
I just feel robbed. It shows to me that you can cheat in the game and get away with a warning if your caught. Its like, oh hey you cheated, thats ok, just dont let it happen agian. Then to find out his actions helped him advance to win a $200 card. Something about the whole thing just feels wrong. You have nobody to blame but yourself, BOTH players are responsible for the game state. If you don't want to get cheated again I might suggest learning to read.Verbal Warning for violation of Rule 2, Inflammatory Posting. -DA |
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IDK why you're looking for so much credibility: You top 8ed a couple tournaments. Nice Job! |
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2009, 11:15:00 pm » |
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I will always offer the best authentic Magic cards possible.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2009, 12:04:59 am » |
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In terms of the cheat- I'd prefer this not turn into a thread jack, but I believe that would be the proper ruling. You can't reverse game state and it would be both of your responsibilities to READ the card. Typically, it results in a warning.
(I've had this happen to me WAY to many times thanks to opponents using foriegn cards; so I do understand how bad it sucks.)
I just feel robbed. It shows to me that you can cheat in the game and get away with a warning if your caught. Its like, oh hey you cheated, thats ok, just dont let it happen agian. Then to find out his actions helped him advance to win a $200 card. Something about the whole thing just feels wrong. You have nobody to blame but yourself, BOTH players are responsible for the game state. If you don't want to get cheated again I might suggest learning to read. Quoted for emphasis. Ya, he made a mistake, but all you had to do was read his card and you could have stopped it then. Complaining that you both let something illegal happen and then noticed it on the next turn so they can't change it is not the rational way of looking at things. I mean, if that penalty came with a game loss, what's to stop you from just letting something you know is illegal happen and then waiting until it can't be reversed before calling a judge? The rules are what they are to be as fair as possible and prevent potential abuses. You'd have nothing to complain about if you were paying attention. |
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Team Meandeck Team Serious LordHomerCat is just mean, and isnt really justifying his statements very well, is he?
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2009, 12:10:33 am » |
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I just feel robbed. It shows to me that you can cheat in the game and get away with a warning if your caught. Its like, oh hey you cheated, thats ok, just dont let it happen agian. Then to find out his actions helped him advance to win a $200 card. Something about the whole thing just feels wrong.
I believe the saying here is RTFCDoes this have to be so abrasive? The only place posts like this can go is down. Verbal Warning for inflammatory posting.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2009, 07:30:36 am » |
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Ron and RitNecroWin always put up the best events which is why I will always go out of my way to get there.
Jerry lost in the T8 on purpose so he can get more cards to play standard with =P
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2009, 08:07:12 am » |
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Ron and RitNecroWin always put up the best events which is why I will always go out of my way to get there.
Jerry lost in the T8 on purpose so he can get more cards to play standard with =P
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2009, 09:51:20 am » |
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I just feel robbed. It shows to me that you can cheat in the game and get away with a warning if your caught. Its like, oh hey you cheated, thats ok, just dont let it happen agian. Then to find out his actions helped him advance to win a $200 card. Something about the whole thing just feels wrong.
I believe the saying here is RTFCI sympathize with urweak because I have had that happened to me too. And it allowed the opponent to win the game. Chances are when you are in a tournament and a million things are rushing over your head, you will not be able to notice every little thing. And usually you have to trust your opponent to play fair. Its hard to win a tournament when you have to divide your attention to making good plays while paying attention to see if your opponent cheats. Either you fail in 1 catagory or you fail in the other. There is only so much you can do under pressure of time, tournament, mental calculations, and decision making. I think what would have been fair would be to make this match a Draw instead. |
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2009, 10:25:29 am » |
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I sympathize with urweak because I have had that happened to me too. And it allowed the opponent to win the game. Chances are when you are in a tournament and a million things are rushing over your head, you will not be able to notice every little thing. And usually you have to trust your opponent to play fair.
Its hard to win a tournament when you have to divide your attention to making good plays while paying attention to see if your opponent cheats. Either you fail in 1 catagory or you fail in the other. There is only so much you can do under pressure of time, tournament, mental calculations, and decision making. I think what would have been fair would be to make this match a Draw instead. The thing that really gets me is that next turn I was swinging for the win. He was at 3. I had Trygon, 2 goyfs, and adept, and would have been left with 1 canonist. He had two tapped elfs and three others. The game was over, but he cheated and I lost. On an interesting note, I have been informed that this person was once banned by the DCI for cheating. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2009, 10:50:44 am » |
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You cannot actually see it in the picture but Nam is kicking me under the table the whole match. He is good |
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2009, 12:55:52 pm » |
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Sup again,
I was hoping that the negative talk was over when I posted last night. I feel that now I must address the subject of the misplay by John and Urweak. I wish Urweak would have asked me about the ruling at the tournament. I would have gladly explained the reasoning behind the ruling and maybe avoided these hostile feelings about John.
I had a similiar experience with this exact situation when I was playing in a PTQ top eight against Nick Eisel with Mike Guptil (respected high level judge) seated next to us judging. Nick played a free Submerge on my creature during my turn. It was illegal because he did not have an Island in play. I went from ahead to being being behind, eventually losing a close race in game three. Mike noticed the error on my next turn, as Nick still had no Island in play. Nothing we could do, but play on with a warning. It did cross my mind that Nick, a Pro also, must have known what he was doing. Afterward, I was disgusted with myself for not reading that card, and I believe it was 100% my fault. Nick and I talked about that PTQ recently, and he still regrets the mistake. From then on, I always reread every card at competitive events, even if I thought I knew what the card did, a valuable lesson learned.
I have been a DCI judge and TO for fifteen years, allong the way judging at PTQ's and Pro Tours for WotC. I also earned 24 Pro Points when I was focused on playing Magic. I have seen this same error made over on thousand times. It is always a warning, even at the Pro Tour level, this infraction is a warning to both players. It is an error made in public view with both players failing to read the card. All players playing in competitive events are responsible for playing correctly no matter how stressful the situation. Someone mentioned the fact that players could just let people make mistakes and report them to judges to earn game wins if this was not the rule. Imagine how many times this would come up in each tournament if both players were not responsible for maintaining game state.
Urweak, I ask you to think about the reasoning behind this rule, and take some responsibility for what happened. I see you are angry, but I bet you will never make this error again in a tournament. You will always check the card from here on. I also ask that you stop calling John a cheater. I truely believe that it was just an error on John's part. John has played in at least thirty touranments at my store, and he has never gotten a warning or been suspected of cheating. In fact, I have had players tell me that John and his girlfriend, Maura, are nice people to play against. His DCI ban was a few years ago for offering partial prizes to his opponent in exchange for a win at a PTQ. Many people do not realize that this type of bribe is a major penalty.
It is amazing how such a small error can have a major effect and turn into a major problem. I hope all involved can go on from here with no hard feelings.
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2009, 01:52:55 pm » |
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I sympathize with urweak because I have had that happened to me too. And it allowed the opponent to win the game. Chances are when you are in a tournament and a million things are rushing over your head, you will not be able to notice every little thing. And usually you have to trust your opponent to play fair.
Its hard to win a tournament when you have to divide your attention to making good plays while paying attention to see if your opponent cheats. Either you fail in 1 catagory or you fail in the other. There is only so much you can do under pressure of time, tournament, mental calculations, and decision making. I think what would have been fair would be to make this match a Draw instead. The thing that really gets me is that next turn I was swinging for the win. He was at 3. I had Trygon, 2 goyfs, and adept, and would have been left with 1 canonist. He had two tapped elfs and three others. The game was over, but he cheated and I lost. On an interesting note, I have been informed that this person was once banned by the DCI for cheating. urweak, I've been there. All I can say is that you just have to let it go. It sucks, I know, but there's nothing you can do about it. The tournament's over, the prizes have been given out, and that's it. There weren't even ratings involved. Just try to watch for it next time. That's about all you can do. |
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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2009, 03:29:24 pm » |
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I think the real cheater was 4th Place CJ Mortiz who decided to run 5 copies of Polluted Delta.
But it's a land!!! j/k but surslee, Nam needs to stop kicking...I am buying shinguards for the next time we play. |
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