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Kaiser von Hugal
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« on: May 25, 2009, 11:33:50 pm »

Stax will be my nemesis but the disruption package should make it a fight.  I went Mono black primarily because I dont have the power blue spells or dual lands AND to add Wastelands to fight the Ichorid match up.  This also supports the 4 Sinkholes to help fight control.

Win
4 Tendrils of Agony - I went with four as I may need to cast more than one and to Consult for it reliably

Got to find it
4 Ad Nauseum
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Yawgmoths Will - in this deck this card is INCREDIBLE.
1 Necropotence
1 Demonic Consultation

Disruption Package - styled after your typical Suicide deck
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtsieze
4 Duress
4 Sink Hole

Mana
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Jet
1 Black Lotus
5 Strips
12 Swamp

SB
4 Yixlid Jailer - Ichorid
4 Slaughter Pact - Welder, Teeg and Canonist
4 Tormod’s Crypt - Ichorid
3 Pithing Needle - general purpose, bazaar's, welder's
Theres alot of dead cards MD against Ichorid, hence so many in the SB

I considered adding memory jar, without Pact's of Negation,  Im hesitant refilling my opponent's hand.   Yawgmoth's Bargain could be added, Id drop a sinkhole.  Im not running 7 SolMoxen though and 6cc I think is one too many.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2009, 03:24:46 pm »

I feel like you are heading in the right direction!  There is still 1 thing that is a bit off with this build.  That is simply the 4 Hymns and 4 Sinkholes.  These cards are to sui black what meddling mage is to fish.  But you don't want to be using a fish strategy here.  You don't really want to see a Hymn when you are using Ad Naus, nor a Sinkhole.  Both those cards have their niche but it is not in this deck.  4 Duress/Thoughtseize should be enough here, although I think I would run Thoughtseize/Therapy in this shell just to make sure you can get rid of creatures.  If you really want to keep one of those cards in, keep the sinkholes and change the Hymns for Null Rod. 

You also don't have any answers to permanents once they are on the board.  I would reccomend getting fetches (either Delta or Mire) and splashing one of black's ally colours.  You don't really need duals although they help, and even still only 1 or 2 in the deck. 

Splashing blue gives you access to more draw and bounce.  Repeal and Chain of Vapor (both less effective without moxen) echoing truth and Hurkyl's Recall all are effective.  In red you have Manamorphose to help you go off faster, red blasts to protect against blue, Mogg Fanatic, artifact removal in many forms etc...

This deck is shaping up nicely but still your ideas are a little dated or diluted.  Also this deck wants Dark Confidant in it.  Dark Confidant Null Rod and a few 'answer' cards (kill a meddling mage, chalice at 1, get rid of a sphere) are what you need to address I would think. I would cut a mana source or two and splash a colour.  You are playing 30 cards that produce mana, and you only have 4 draw spells.

my 2 cents:
+4 dark confidant
+4 Null Rod
+1 Brainstorm
+1 Ponder
+1 Echoing Truth/Repeal (for chalice at 1/mage/ethersworn)


-4 Hymn
-4 Sinkhole
-1 Waste

-7 Swamp for 4 Polluted Delta and 1 Island (Underground Sea).

You may have too many artifacts to interact with N Rod but it's something you would have to test for yourself.
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2009, 03:54:11 pm »

I like the Mono black idea.

But as said the 4 Sinkhole/Hymm look out of place.

Here is a list I played in a non-proxy event.

2 Island
3 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
3 Underground Sea

4 Dark Confidant

4 Ad Nauseam
4 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
3 Chain of Vapor
3 Tendrils of Agony
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Yawgmoths Will
4 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
1 Necropotence

Sideboard
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
4 Xantid Swarm
1 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
2 Tormod’s Crypt
3 Yixlid Jailers
2 Engineered Explosives

It is pretty much a stock list, and plays out extremely well.

I used Bob, and he was amazing. Not having Ancestrall kinda sucks, but he pulled his weight.
If you have the Lotus and Jet then it gets better.

But for your list I would recommend testing Bob out. I could see your list struggling if it doesn't
open a hand with 1 of either your 4 Ad Nauseams or 3 Tutors.

But I haven't tested your list so it is just idle speculation.

Cheers
Clint
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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 10:27:19 pm »

The biggest thing you have to realize is that you are a combo deck and you want to combo off.  Resolving an Ad Naus means that you disrupted your opponent enough that you should win the game.  8 Duress effects should be plenty.  I like chalice as disruption because you can rock a Chalice at 0 or 2 if you are playing against Oath/Drains and still win.  Plus they don't hurt off Ad Naus.  That being said, your main goal is to get a bunch of rituals and a tutor ASAP.  You don't have to disrupt early you can hold duress and thoughtseize in your hand until you are about to go off or until you know your opponent has something you wanna strip from their hand.  At this point, you want to resolve Ad-Naus and put as many business spells into your hand as possible.  Sinkhole/Hymn off an Ad-Naus is not only less cards drawn from Ad-Naus, but neither of them get rid of your opponents F.O.W. or Daze.
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