Rasputin Oath

[BruiZar]

You could also use/board slaughter pact to help get rid of platinum angel or confidant or something

[BruiZar]

you can also replenish opalescence with enchanted evening so that you lock out your opponent's ability to generate mana.




In case someone has a metal worker or gilded lotus out, you would still be able to cast force of will under thorn of amethyst/sphere of resistence  because Rasputin gets 1 counter back every turn which you can use to pay for thorns n stuff. I doubt its ever going to happen but its a cool subtletiy nonetheless

[Wagner]

The pact Kill would be hilarious, the White one being probably the best since most decks have difficulty with double White, but it requires you to have the card in hand, all the recoup/replenish versions don't.

[mestu]

For the record, I introduced this guy to magic.  Here is a look at meadbert's very first vintage deck.

4 Nightmare
4 Frozen Shade
4 Dark Ritual
4 Sengir Vampire
4 Juggernaut
4 Terror
4 Drain Life
Sol Ring
Demonic Tutor
30 Swamp

What he lacked in imagination he made up for with.... swamps.  I'm glad that his decks have gotten slightly better.  Beware: He puts life from the loam in every deck because he bought them by the hundreds when he was convinced that turboland was the best deck ever.  Now he is trying to up their value and get rid of them.

[meadbert]

Does Enchanted Evening prevent lands from tapping for mana?

My main problem with Opalescense is that you will have more creatures in play and you will have at least one and possibly multiple Oaths in play and thus it allows your opponent to Oath perhaps many times.

If Opalescences is used either I need a way to remove Oaths (Seal of Primordium/Cleansing or Aura of Silence) or I need some way to stop my opponent from Oathing. 
Although it is not clear to me how dangerous that is, I remain terrified.  Perhaps this terror is unfounded. 

If I were to go the Opalescence route I would be inclined to run Leyline of the Void, Choke, Pyrostatic Pillar, Aura of Silence and maybe In the Eye of Chaos in the main.  This way you could hate out your opponent with a bunch of disruption and use Bazaar to filter out the less useful ones.  Replenish could sort of act a like a Yawg to get a ton of stuff at once.  Every time I start to make a list I end up with like 70 cards and then I am forced to drop crucial stuff.  I have tried dropping down to sort of 1 of each Enchantment and then running a full set of Enlightened Tutors for the toolbox approach.  This is not terrible, but then why not just Tutor up Oath, play it and win or why not just complete the Panadaburst Combo rather than tutor up Leyline/Choke.  My instincts tell me there is something here, but I have not come up with any list that does well yet.

The Pact kill is interesting, but they would need to be in hand.  Recoup could be used with either Yawg, Regrowth or Demonic but that uses even more mana and needs more sub optimal cards.
Oh and to really cement this thread in the Improvement forum there is the possibilty of running Wild Research which is an Enchantment that can tutor for Instants.  I may explore more lines of play with Wild Research since it has some synergies. (including with Life from the Loam)

[wiley]

Does Enchanted Evening prevent lands from tapping for mana?

Enchanted Evening + Opalescence says that all land, moxen and mana crypts are 0/0 creatures and die by state based effects.  However, it still requires you to use just as many slots, if not more, and requires you to pass the turn.  It is also possible that you will not have a lethal board position if rasputin was too close to the top.

Working on this some more I think there are ways to put more disruption into the main deck to make it stronger overall.

// Lands
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Forbidden Orchard
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
4 City of Brass
4 Bazaar of Baghdad

// Creatures
1 Rasputin Dreamweaver

// Spells
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
2 Pandemonium
2 Recoup
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Saproling Burst
2 Krosan Reclamation
4 Replenish
4 Oath of Druids
3 Life from the Loam
4 Duress
2 Cabal Therapy

I'm fairly certian that from here, the next step is to cut bazaar and loam for tutors and other disrution.  The engine is fairly slow, and the deck doesn't win many games off bazaar alone, it is almost always oath when it when and no oath when it loses.  I would suggest running the root mazes main and adding in enlightened tutors.

[meadbert]

So if Bazaar and Loam are dropped do Wastelands still make much sense?  Also, would Intuition be the card to use since it finds Oath/Orchard/Replenish/Combo.

[wiley]

They still serve as decent disruption, but no they are not necessary.  The one thing to note is that they help win orchard wars in the oath 'mirror'.  It may be possible to find something else that does a similar job better.  Perhaps Pithing Needle would be a decent inclusion.

Intuition may be a good idea, but I see it slowing the deck down.  It would be better to keep it so that you curve into oath, which is why I suggested E Tutor.  With 4 oath and 4 replenish (and possibly E tutors in addition to the black one) is it wrong to use just oath as your way of getting the combo into position?

[natron77]

Going back a bit to alternative win conditions, Replenishing Opalescence+Pandemonium (with a few other enchantments being returned) is harder to hate (such as with Needle) than Saproling Burst.
Replenishing 2 Pandemoniums and an Opalescence is 18 damage, which is often lethal. Add an Oath or anything else and you have guaranteed lethal.

Going this route means you'll want more Pandemoniums, but also opens up the option of the Enchanted Evening/Opalescence lock and Decree of Silence.

I'm not sure how much of an improvement it would be, since you are dropping the Bursts but adding more enchantments than you are removing.

Figured I'd throw it out there.