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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2009, 06:18:04 pm » |
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I've been testing with 3 creatures for this Saturday's event in Long Island. I found something... special... to Oath up that I think is better than Blessing against Stax and has hilarious potential in the mirror. I'm excited to see how it goes this weekend. If I win even one game with this card, it will make my day.
Mind you, I've been on prescription painkillers for a week straight, so... yeah.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2009, 08:42:39 am » |
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I've been testing with 3 creatures for this Saturday's event in Long Island. I found something... special... to Oath up that I think is better than Blessing against Stax and has hilarious potential in the mirror. I'm excited to see how it goes this weekend. If I win even one game with this card, it will make my day.
Mind you, I've been on prescription painkillers for a week straight, so... yeah.
I hope it's something hilarious like Brine Elemental. You do realize that it wouldn't do anything. I guess that would still be hilarious though. I'll take a few guesses: Seedborn Muse Woodripper I can't think of much that is good against Stax and the mirror. My only other thought would be bounce, but Tidespout seems too obvious. Triskelavus maybe? EDIT: Petradon would be hilarious |
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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2009, 09:17:16 am » |
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Perhaps it is Kederekt Leviathan? That actually does seem like a reasonable option!
I hope I'm not spoiling the secret tech...
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2009, 10:20:09 am » |
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Perhaps it is Kederekt Leviathan? That actually does seem like a reasonable option!
I hope I'm not spoiling the secret tech...
Leviathan? That doesn't seem so good, it'd bounce Oath and kill all the Orchard tokens... you guys aren't trying hard enough. There are actually two sick cards that we came up with, but I only had time to test one. The first one, added to my old list, flat-out kills Stax dead provided you don't Oath it up first (in which case its still fine and you'll still kill them provided you can Oath 2-3 times like normal, depending on their starting life total after City and Mana Crypt/Vault damage). The second one, in theory, does it all against Stax. It helps you manage Tangle Wire and Smokestack, and if you play it WITH Blessing, you essentially have infinite Hellkites... but I haven't tested it yet, so that one will have to wait until later. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2009, 10:27:08 am » |
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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2009, 10:42:31 am » |
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Sacrificing Woodfall Primus to Smokestack to kill something and then tapping the new Primus to Tangle Wire seems very exciting.
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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2009, 10:56:19 am » |
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I thought you were joking about the new Oath tech based on the painkiller comment. Now I'm afraid of getting blown out by it in Long Island this weekend.
Are both cards creatures?
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2009, 11:34:18 am » |
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is one a certain red card with devour?
This is on the right track for one of them, although I will neither confirm nor deny its accuracy. Yes, both cards are creatures. Woodfall Primus isn't a bad idea, but it has its own issues, namely that it will blow up artifacts but doesn't help much if Welder is active. |
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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2009, 11:57:33 am » |
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Furnace dragon!
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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2009, 12:04:40 pm » |
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Furnace dragon!
... no. Oracle text: Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs 1 less to cast for each artifact you control.) Flying When Furnace Dragon enters the battlefield, if you cast it from your hand, exile all artifacts. |
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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2009, 12:17:48 pm » |
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Uktabi Kong was made legal in Vintage?
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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2009, 12:23:41 pm » |
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Uktabi Kong was made legal in Vintage?
Sadly, no. |
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2009, 12:34:21 pm » |
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dragon broodmother?
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2009, 12:46:32 pm » |
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dragon broodmother?
I was just thinking about that, and it's better than it seems at first: Against Stax you're getting two permanents per (your) turn which matches their top end (drawing something playable plus playing a land with crucible). Against the mirror you never have more than two creatures during an upkeep except by choice, and the little ones just eat spirits you receive. Let's say you have Broodmother and one spirit, and EOT they give you another spirit so they can Oath. Your 'make a dragon' trigger resolves first and you get a 5/5 dragon out of it while killing their Oath trigger (assuming they have just two spirits). |
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« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2009, 02:26:04 pm » |
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dragon broodmother?
I was just thinking about that, and it's better than it seems at first: Against Stax you're getting two permanents per (your) turn which matches their top end (drawing something playable plus playing a land with crucible). Against the mirror you never have more than two creatures during an upkeep except by choice, and the little ones just eat spirits you receive. Let's say you have Broodmother and one spirit, and EOT they give you another spirit so they can Oath. Your 'make a dragon' trigger resolves first and you get a 5/5 dragon out of it while killing their Oath trigger (assuming they have just two spirits). Winner winner chicken dinner. Conceptually it seems like it'd work... it's so bad that it has to be good. That's not the one I'll be slinging this Saturday, though - but it sure is a cool idea, isn't it? |
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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2009, 03:11:31 pm » |
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dragon broodmother?
I was just thinking about that, and it's better than it seems at first: Against Stax you're getting two permanents per (your) turn which matches their top end (drawing something playable plus playing a land with crucible). Against the mirror you never have more than two creatures during an upkeep except by choice, and the little ones just eat spirits you receive. Let's say you have Broodmother and one spirit, and EOT they give you another spirit so they can Oath. Your 'make a dragon' trigger resolves first and you get a 5/5 dragon out of it while killing their Oath trigger (assuming they have just two spirits). Winner winner chicken dinner. Conceptually it seems like it'd work... it's so bad that it has to be good. That's not the one I'll be slinging this Saturday, though - but it sure is a cool idea, isn't it? Lol. All I have to say is that I'm glad I'll be off on the sidelines watching, instead of being the player involved in this experiment... I actually don't know how much Stax you're going to see in the field on Saturday. At the moment it looks like Tezzeret is going to be the big player in the field. Again. I still like the double Dragon kill best. Then again, I don't play this deck... |
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« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2009, 03:40:28 pm » |
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dragon broodmother?
I was just thinking about that, and it's better than it seems at first: Against Stax you're getting two permanents per (your) turn which matches their top end (drawing something playable plus playing a land with crucible). Against the mirror you never have more than two creatures during an upkeep except by choice, and the little ones just eat spirits you receive. Let's say you have Broodmother and one spirit, and EOT they give you another spirit so they can Oath. Your 'make a dragon' trigger resolves first and you get a 5/5 dragon out of it while killing their Oath trigger (assuming they have just two spirits). Winner winner chicken dinner. Conceptually it seems like it'd work... it's so bad that it has to be good. That's not the one I'll be slinging this Saturday, though - but it sure is a cool idea, isn't it? Lol. All I have to say is that I'm glad I'll be off on the sidelines watching, instead of being the player involved in this experiment... I actually don't know how much Stax you're going to see in the field on Saturday. At the moment it looks like Tezzeret is going to be the big player in the field. Again. I still like the double Dragon kill best. Then again, I don't play this deck... Wait til you see what I'm actually running... it still has the Double Dragons, with an added bonus surprise. If I play against Stax and win a game with it, you'll get to watch my opponent facepalm himself and walk off, completely defeated... otherwise the difference between this card and Gaea's Blessing is minimal. |
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« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2009, 04:18:38 pm » |
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Wait til you see what I'm actually running... it still has the Double Dragons, with an added bonus surprise. If I play against Stax and win a game with it, you'll get to watch my opponent facepalm himself and walk off, completely defeated... otherwise the difference between this card and Gaea's Blessing is minimal.
As far as sideboard creatures against Stax go, Prince of Thralls seems decent; makes welding, wasteing and smokestacking very painful for them. As you said, depends on what life they're at after Crypt/Tomb/CoB etc. |
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
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« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2009, 04:34:13 am » |
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Furnace dragon!
... no. Oracle text: Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs 1 less to cast for each artifact you control.) Flying When Furnace Dragon enters the battlefield, if you cast it from your hand, exile all artifacts. Oops. Bladewing the Risen sort of plays blessing with double dragon. Some of us have seen it plenty in casual reanimator. ...and that's probably where it'll stay. |
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« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2009, 07:09:52 am » |
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« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2009, 08:49:35 am » |
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Eater of Days? LOL I had no idea that was a card. Seriously, who designed that pile of dog crap? I can honestly say w/out exaggeration that this one card that I added in place of Gaea's Blessing increases my win % against decks with Tangle Wire by probably... 10-20%, all by itself, while having less than 1% impact on my other match-ups in either direction. |
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« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2009, 08:59:13 am » |
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I can honestly say w/out exaggeration that this one card that I added in place of Gaea's Blessing increases my win % against decks with Tangle Wire by probably... 10-20%, all by itself, while having less than 1% impact on my other match-ups in either direction.
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund? His untap trigger would be after tangle wire, so you can tap down a HK and still attack with it on second Oathing. HK + HK + Karrthus seems like a decent three-creature package since it's also at least a 7/7 flying haster. |
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That is probably it since it would also win the mirror.
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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2009, 09:39:06 am » |
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That is probably it since it would also win the mirror.
Indeed. Matt also made a comment about 'Oathing it up first', which is the situation in which Karrthus is worst, so I think that confirms it. |
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« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2009, 10:01:19 am » |
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I will neither confirm nor deny.
It sure is hilarious though that Shards block has seemingly infinite awesome Mythics for use in Oath decks...
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« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2009, 10:23:28 am » |
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It sure is hilarious though that Shards block has seemingly infinite awesome Mythics for use in Oath decks...
I was going to make a reference to how bad the Esper Mythic was in Reborn, and then I realized it was Sphinx of the Steel wind, and not Enigma Sphinx. There are in the end a ton of playable fatties from that block: TinkerInkwell Leviathan Sphinx of the Steel Wind OathEmpyrial Archangel Progenitus Hellkite Overlord Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund Inkwell Leviathan Sphinx of the Steel Wind Magister Sphinx You could probably throw Sharuum on those lists, though I haven't seen her broken anywhere yet. |
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