How much power do you own?

[Ulthrion]

Only 1 piece of power, which is an Ancestral Recall, which I am very very happy with. I want to acquire more, but don't ave the financial means at the moment.
I do own 4 italian drains. Only 6 duals (4 volcanic, 1 FWB savannah, 1 scrublands) and 4 fetches though (1 delta, 2 strand, 1 heath), so I still need to borrow cards to play in 10 proxy games. I really need to work on my mana base .

I'm from the Netherlands btw.

[Necropotenza]

This is what I own:

Full Power9.
Full MWS, Bazaar, Drain.
Vault, Seal, LoA, 3 Grim, 12 Blue duals, most playables so I can build almost any deck.


Stormanimagus raised a few suitable questions about how is Power distributed throughout the world, so I'll try to illustrate what is going on in my metagame.

This numbers relate to the Catalan Vintage League thanks to the statistics put together by Roger Riera (gRR!! on the net).
The highlighted zone in the spanish territory is where CVL is monthly hold, and where 99% of the participants come from.
Conservatively speaking, we have +40 complete sets of Power9 actively taking part in those tourneys. Moreover, there might be +10 partial sets of Power9 active in our area too.



I encourage Euro&American members to estimate how many P9 cards are in their respective metagames so we can have a better idea of what is going on with its distribution worldwide. It'd be cool to have a 'demographic' map of P9 to determine what's best for the future of our format.

[vassago]

Necro makes a very interesting point, as it might be a good idea to find out how much is where, but I do not know the extent of the usefulness of this information.  I mean, if some one wants the cards it takes a few clicks on the internet and they would hopefully be in their hands a week later. 

[Stormanimagus]

Necro makes a very interesting point, as it might be a good idea to find out how much is where, but I do not know the extent of the usefulness of this information.  I mean, if some one wants the cards it takes a few clicks on the internet and they would hopefully be in their hands a week later. 

The usefulness is seeing where the problem lies for Vintage popularity in the States right now. If we know the cause then perhaps we can make a good petition to R & D or Wizards for a cure.

The "cure" (solution) might not be:

1. Printing more power
2. Legalizing CE
3. Making more sanctioned tournaments

etc., etc.,

but we'll have no idea without some information on where the power is in the world.

-Storm

[Klep]

I think it's interesting how a strong majority of respondents have either no power or are fully powered.  That suggests to me that for most people, if you are interested enough in the format to want power, you tend to be committed enough to get it all.

As for myself, I have 4 pieces: Ancestral, Sapphire, Jet, and Emerald.

[PhilipJFry]

P8 - no Twister, most are beat, all are Unlimited, 4 Bazaars, 4 Italian Drains, Library

I live in Western Minnesota, hundreds of miles from any Vintage scene 

[Bone]

I live in Europe.

Only one power (sapphire) but will get more. (Have a crapload of duals, fetches, fow, drains all other staples + + +)

Will try to get at least ancestral, walk, lotus, pearl, jet because i don't like proxying and europe = alot of sanctioned.

[Killane]

Sadly none ony because I had two children by the age of 22 and am not quite able to spend that much on myself yet.
One day though... I'd like to purchase Unlimited power and then hopefully win some Beta.

[DubDub]

I've replied previously, but I did recently pick up an Unlimited Timetwister in great condition for a good price.  It's a great piece, but I was motivated to actually buy it in part to support my FLGS.  Since this was the store that sold me a FTV:Exiled for MSRP I counted the savings there as a discount on the 'Twister.

This purchase brings me up to 5 pieces of power.

[smasher]

Missing 2 moxen I don't play with often. Will get them when I find some nice looking alpha ones for reasonable prices. My other 3 are alpha and my lotus is beta. Ancestral and walk are alpha. 4 english drains. around 50 duals 30 fetches.
I own a full set of collectors edition that is usable in our areas non sanctioned events (which is all of them for now).

I'd go for an alpha twister some day but the deal would have to be really sick as I don't really care to get a card useable in a small handful of decks.

I want an imperial seal but can't justify the price tag when I'd rather get more alpha power/duals

Got rid of bazaars and shops as I didn't play them much and if I loan a deck they can be proxied.

I have plenty of staples to build several decks at once so I have some to loan out.

U.S. player from AZ

[The Exalted]

1 Complete unlimited power 9
1 unlimited Time Vault
1 Library of Alexandria
3 Bazaar of Baghdad
3 Mishra's Workshop
4 English Mana Drain
2 The Tabernacle at Pendrel Vale
1 Moat
1 Imperial Seal
4 Strategic Planning
4 Imperial Recruiter (i'm more of a legacy player now)
3 Grim Tutor
1 Loyal Retainers
1 Ravages of War
5 Island (summer edition)
All unlimited duals


Montréal, Québec, Canada (lot of power around here)



The Exalted

[Will]

ATM don't own any  .  I share a collection and at times we had a Twister, and a Time walk as well as Blue Duals, Drains, Forces, Fetches, etc. etc.  Now I'm finishing up building 5cStax then I will save my money and hopefully begin to buy power.  This will probably be a very slow process, but it's not the worst thing in the world since I'm a) only 17, and b) going to try and win a few pieces as well. 

[Bera]

Have Lotus,Pearl,Sapphire and Ruby all unlimited and poor condition, a set of drains, a LoA and a Unlimited Time Vault. I would of had a Jet if it wasn't for Smasher and his meddling Mindcensors :<

US/AZ (WC) Player

[jcb193]

I think at some point DCI will have to change their stance, as I am pretty sure there has to be some credible counterfeits out there.  I don't believe that cards printed 15 years ago were so technologically advanced that they can't be duplicated.  I'm also guessing there are a lot more than 2,200 Black Lotuses floating around out there.  Heck, at smaller tournaments years ago, there would be at least 2-3 in the room.  Multiply that by hundreds of cities......

Sold off a P9 set of beta and a P9 set of unlimited last year.  Beta went to Australia, unlimited to Italy and Spain.

[Almanomada]

I have no power altohugh i am working on picking up a set this year (car accident in august of 08 may see a settlement) fingers crossed there.  If they were to reprint power in a special from the vault type limited collection, do you think it would hurt the value or be more like exiled where it started at 3 times MSRP?  of course I could see From The Vault : Power 9 selling at 25-50 times MSRP.  Another idea I had was to reprint so many sets of power 9 and offer them as sanctioned event prizes like a pro tour series in a vintage/legacy format.  I do remember when I first had a chance to get a set of power for $1500 (unlimited) and didnt have the cash. 

[Diakonov]

No power, but I do have 4 English Drains, 4 of each blue dual and blue fetch, and the rest of the necessities that are less than $50.

US player, New England

[Vegeta2711]

I own no power and never will.

US player, northern California

[credmond]

I own all power and all semi-power (9 power, library, 4 bazaars, 4 shops, 4 drains, time vault, 3 grim tutors, imperial seal, tabernacle, complete set of all duals and fetches, plus a lot of other stuff like chains of mephistopheles, abyss, nether void, moat, candelabra )

The only thing I don't have that is expensive and type 1 playable is any strategic plannings. I rightly predicted those wouldn't be a mainstay.

Once you get all the big money items it's super easy to keep up and keep current.


US player, northern california

[Bera]

I have no power altohugh i am working on picking up a set this year (car accident in august of 08 may see a settlement) fingers crossed there.  If they were to reprint power in a special from the vault type limited collection, do you think it would hurt the value or be more like exiled where it started at 3 times MSRP?  of course I could see From The Vault : Power 9 selling at 25-50 times MSRP.  Another idea I had was to reprint so many sets of power 9 and offer them as sanctioned event prizes like a pro tour series in a vintage/legacy format.  I do remember when I first had a chance to get a set of power for $1500 (unlimited) and didnt have the cash. 

They'd have to print a high amount for the from the vault: power. It would be in such high demand and could be like other from the vaults where only two retailers/state end up with it and a lot of people interested would get the bad part of the stick :<

my $0.02:
A reprint in some special edition that you could order through wizards for new players and an option for players with original pieces to be traded into wizards for a alternate art/unique version of the card that will hold it's value that can only be obtained by that method plus it allows players with worse conditioned cards to get mint cards. They'd have to print different versions for A/B/U for the "trade in" method though. People with unlimited power would be the most upset because they shelled out all of the money to meet a proxy limit or are playing in sanctioned/no proxy tournaments and then this gets released, the trade in new version they get might soften the blow because it would be blackbordered/foil/alternate art or something along those lines imo. I don't think people who have upgraded from unlimited to A/B would be as upset because they shelled out the extra for the "Pimp collector's value and are being offered a possibly pimper version etc." Probably won't happen (soon atleast) because A) Upset playerbase B) Gives counterfiters even more of a reason to make fakes/makes Wizards shutdown the reprint option because of all of the counterfeits C) Insert issue here

A reprint might happen if the scene dies in europe and the format needs to be revived with reprints due to lack of cards, that won't happen for another 5-10 years atleast and the game would have to survive that long (Not that I think it won't but it happens)

[Will]

I already posted earlier that I don't own power, but am working on getting an Ancestral.  I live outside of Philadelphia Pennsylvania (Blue Bell player) for the record.  It would be really interesting to make a system for trading in your power to WOTC for alternate art copies.  If Wizards really wanted to make super expensive cards again or any for the record they should put a tracking system on the cards.  Granted it is very farfetched of an idea but it would be extremely interesting to see.  They could print each card with a type of watermark and other traits that can not be copied from other cards in a similar way to what occurs with money to prevent counterfeits.  Also, a Bar code/ tracking number could be put on the cards with a corresponding password given at the time that Wizards would give/ sell/ trade out these cards.  That way people could find out exact numbers on power etc. and also where they have been as long as passwords are traded with the cards.  Overly expensive and complicated seeing as the whole trading in power to Wizards will likely never occur, but interesting nonetheless. 

[MirariKnight]

I'd imagine that would just double the nightmare for people who want to deal, trade or sell on eBay.

[CorwinB]

I've 8 pieces of Power, missing the Lotus (well, 3 of my Moxen are technically still in transit, but hopefully the Post office won't screw up).

I have been on a hiatus for 10 years or so, started again recently due to the XBox 360 game and Magic 2010, and I started rebuying some of the mythic Vintage stuff. Before I stopped I only owned Ancestral (that baby won me more games than I can count), but now that I've a little more money available I'm going for the full set.

I have 16 dual lands and only 4 fetches, will go for the full sets too, after which I'll probably work my on countermagic.

I live in France.

[RichardD]

I already posted earlier that I don't own power, but am working on getting an Ancestral.  I live outside of Philadelphia Pennsylvania (Blue Bell player) for the record.  It would be really interesting to make a system for trading in your power to WOTC for alternate art copies.  If Wizards really wanted to make super expensive cards again or any for the record they should put a tracking system on the cards.  Granted it is very farfetched of an idea but it would be extremely interesting to see.  They could print each card with a type of watermark and other traits that can not be copied from other cards in a similar way to what occurs with money to prevent counterfeits.  Also, a Bar code/ tracking number could be put on the cards with a corresponding password given at the time that Wizards would give/ sell/ trade out these cards.  That way people could find out exact numbers on power etc. and also where they have been as long as passwords are traded with the cards.  Overly expensive and complicated seeing as the whole trading in power to Wizards will likely never occur, but interesting nonetheless. 

Next to nearly impossible and VERY EXPENSIVE, this is something nobody can enforce.
Also, why would anybody care about how much power there REALLY is out there?
We all know the number of runs that WotC printed and that's the number we should take into account.
No more, and since nobody can verify it exactly (even with a system like this), no less.

I myself have a full set of power and an extra Twister.

Richard Drijvers
The Netherlands.

[Almanomada]

Original movie posters have watermark seals when they know that they will be worth something (IE Star Wars) and that isnt really expensive to do.  that or something similar to what they do for 100$ bills.  I think it could work if Wizards really wanted to pull it off. 

[Greeg]

Update, I now have:

Full UNL Power (Got my Pearl)
Time Vault UNL
4 Mana Drains
1 LoA
4 Bazaars
Bunch of Duals, etc

[honestabe]

Better update my page

add 1 volcanic island to the mix (its folded in half, but a volc none the less)

[kevgenocide]

I own 6 itialian drains
4 english drains
1 MWS
1 Bazzar or Bagdad
Set of beta power except Lotus,Saphire,and Twister
Set of Unlimited power except A.Recall and Ruby
I also own a total of 2 Unlimited Black Lotus

Im not anything close to someone you'd call a dealer and I live in MA.

[jcb193]

The trade-in idea is very interesting.

Example:
1.)  You trade in your unlimited Black Lotus to wizards for a new alternative art one.
2.)  Wizards redistributes the old black lotus to a preferred dealer, holds a contest, sells on ebay.
3.)  You now have two lotuses in the marketplace without distrupting value or supply too much.  Some people will want the "presumably" rarer alternative art Lotus, some the original.
4.)  The supply is slowly doubled in the market, without any major disruptions to the marketplace. 

[reaperbong]

^^^^i like that. also it can be great for all the really beat up power out there. they could accept everything graded over 'good' say and for people that don't like to play with beat up cards or that's all they can afford you can get a nice fresh one.

[Almanomada]

I think trading them in 1for1 is a great idea even if they just replrint the originals so if you have a totally beat lotus, you can pay a small fee and send it in for a freshly minted one.  I also thought that when Wizards offered orders for special cards in books at a limited price (ala Mana crypt) and number was a great idea.  They could easily revive that as an incentive tradeoff as well.

The trade-in idea is very interesting.

Example:
1.)  You trade in your unlimited Black Lotus to wizards for a new alternative art one.
2.)  Wizards redistributes the old black lotus to a preferred dealer, holds a contest, sells on ebay.
3.)  You now have two lotuses in the marketplace without distrupting value or supply too much.  Some people will want the "presumably" rarer alternative art Lotus, some the original.
4.)  The supply is slowly doubled in the market, without any major disruptions to the marketplace. 

I really like the idea of an alternate art foil variant